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Just found it over at DU. Looks like a good read.

http://www.statesman.com/life/in-defens ... 68375.html

Xela

That was pretty good, thanks! Elanor Roosevelt was also a famous concealed carrying liberal woman.

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Xela

Maybe we could get some of them to join the LGC. It's a total sausage fest in here.
Get to work on that, Mark.

The break down of license holders by race and gender doesn't represent the population that actually carries or the group that wants a license.

There's the cost for the license and renewing but there are a few hurtles legally that cull out large groups.

-No domestic violence charges. Sounds like a no-brainer but this isn't a conviction, only a charge.
-No pending felony charges. Not a felony conviction, only a charge. Tom Delay got all twisted about this when he had to surrender his license pending trial.
- Can't have a restraining order on the person. Doesn't always mean there was actual threat or action.
- No pending charges for any disorderly conduct, misdemeanor or felony level, Five year delay if there was a conviction for these misdemeanors.
-No deferred adjudication. This is a second chance thing that is similar to probation and if the person completes the period there is no conviction. But there is a record, so no license. No conviction? How about expunging this record? The state says they can only expunge convictions. Crazy circular reasoning.
-Only about 4 years ago were laws changed so that a person who was convicted but had their conviction set aside could qualify of a license. Before that it was the same story. The focus was the was a conviction regardless if it was later set aside.
-No license if behind in child support
-No go if you are behind in taxes within the state
-No license for you if you're in default on an education loan
-Loads of restrictions based on drug and alcohol use

These legal snags don't affect all groups the same.

Simmer down wrote:The break down of license holders by race and gender doesn't represent the population that actually carries or the group that wants a license.

There's the cost for the license and renewing but there are a few hurtles legally that cull out large groups.

-No domestic violence charges. Sounds like a no-brainer but this isn't a conviction, only a charge.
-No pending felony charges. Not a felony conviction, only a charge. Tom Delay got all twisted about this when he had to surrender his license pending trial.
- Can't have a restraining order on the person. Doesn't always mean there was actual threat or action.
- No pending charges for any disorderly conduct, misdemeanor or felony level, Five year delay if there was a conviction for these misdemeanors.
-No deferred adjudication. This is a second chance thing that is similar to probation and if the person completes the period there is no conviction. But there is a record, so no license. No conviction? How about expunging this record? The state says they can only expunge convictions. Crazy circular reasoning.
-Only about 4 years ago were laws changed so that a person who was convicted but had their conviction set aside could qualify of a license. Before that it was the same story. The focus was the was a conviction regardless if it was later set aside.
-No license if behind in child support
-No go if you are behind in taxes within the state
-No license for you if you're in default on an education loan
-Loads of restrictions based on drug and alcohol use

These legal snags don't affect all groups the same.

Very good points, Simmer.

Recently, this GOP speaker brought up this issue at the RNC:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/fo ... 57447696/1

Stefani Carter failed (conveniently, perhaps) to mention or reference the earlier posted Stateman article published in August 2011.

Hmm...

(too much iced tea in my viens right now)

Xela

..shoot in the last two years than in the 18 before.

Chris