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well if you want to start getting into wildcatting lets talk about the 7mm STW

Do you have a tank in the back and can I borrow it for the weekend?

Sonofagun wrote:Do you have a tank in the back and can I borrow it for the weekend?

You wanna borrow my septic tank, really? The house I'm in is hoes up to city, sorry.

AmirMortal wrote:

Sonofagun wrote:Do you have a tank in the back and can I borrow it for the weekend?

You wanna borrow my septic tank, really? The house I'm in is hoes up to city, sorry.

Hoes up?

Gs down?


You livin with Snoop?

mark wrote:

AmirMortal wrote:

Sonofagun wrote:Do you have a tank in the back and can I borrow it for the weekend?

You wanna borrow my septic tank, really? The house I'm in is hoes up to city, sorry.

Hoes up?

Gs down?


You livin with Snoop?

Wow, I really need to stop posting from my phone. This auto-correct is sneaky. And spiteful. Seriously.

how rapidly these threads devolve anymore questions. Thanks to who ever brought the linebaughs to my attention though. didn't notice they had less recoil.

The kind of sharp and very unpleasant recoil that the casull has is because of the chamber pressure. The most obvious example is when you shoot a black powder rifle right after shooting a modern smokeless rifle. Although both recoil the black powder rifle is more of a push than a kick. With handguns the more case capacity the more space the powder has to burn and the less chamber pressure. They still kick and you are not going to bring 200 rounds to the range for a practice session but they are still more tolerable than the casull.

well pressures can be reduced with proper barrel lengths, though with handguns that's hard to do. Venting is also a good way to go. My dream carry gun i'll be building here soon is going to be either a casull (raging bull magnum) or more likely a beast of overpressure itself, the .357 magnum. which is still powerful even out of short barrels. Besides I want something that looks like a fire breathing dragon without having to get a .500 S&M Magnum.

I'll probably do a 3 do V comp on the muzzle of a 3" snub nose. After that, it'll be time to get reloading equipment so i can make some very special Medium loads something more powerful than a .38 special, but less powerful than a typical .357.

Even though you can chamber 45 colt in a 454, it's really not a good idea. After so many rounds, a carbon ring builds up which can make it hard to chamber 454. (Same for 44 mag/44spl, 357 mag/38.) Even if you can still chamber a round, a carbon ring in a 454 can spike the pressure even more, enough to cause a failure and ruin your day.

Oldskool wrote:Even though you can chamber 45 colt in a 454, it's really not a good idea. After so many rounds, a carbon ring builds up which can make it hard to chamber 454. (Same for 44 mag/44spl, 357 mag/38.) Even if you can still chamber a round, a carbon ring in a 454 can spike the pressure even more, enough to cause a failure and ruin your day.

Freedom Arms is the only company that I'm aware of that makes the very same recommendation. They cut their chambers very tight and they sell a 45 colt cylinder for their casulls. Also Gendo porting and barrel length have no impact on chamber pressure because it happens in the chamber not at the end of the barrel. If your serious about getting into the sales end of the firearms industry you should really read up on these subjects, not every potential buyer will be looking for a self defense handgun, some might be looking for a hunting or IHMS weapon.

Some customs shops avoid 454 conversions, probably for the pressure reasons. And I would not recommend porting either. They charge for doing it and then it makes your gun worth about half as much as it used to be.

eelj wrote:

Oldskool wrote:Even though you can chamber 45 colt in a 454, it's really not a good idea. After so many rounds, a carbon ring builds up which can make it hard to chamber 454. (Same for 44 mag/44spl, 357 mag/38.) Even if you can still chamber a round, a carbon ring in a 454 can spike the pressure even more, enough to cause a failure and ruin your day.

Freedom Arms is the only company that I'm aware of that makes the very same recommendation. They cut their chambers very tight and they sell a 45 colt cylinder for their casulls. Also Gendo porting and barrel length have no impact on chamber pressure because it happens in the chamber not at the end of the barrel. If your serious about getting into the sales end of the firearms industry you should really read up on these subjects, not every potential buyer will be looking for a self defense handgun, some might be looking for a hunting or IHMS weapon.

no but it has an impact on recoil. that's the point of it. you don't want to reduce initial chamber pressure that reduces the power of the bullet (though any porting will also have small effects on this as well. Minute as they may be.) recoil from chamber pressure intially really comes from the bullet, after it exits, it acts like a rocket and with with high overpressure rounds, that exit force is a lot, porting not only decreases that pressure but also redirects it to provide a counter torque. Your going to get some either way but venting helps a great deal. Also looks cool which to me is the biggest draw.

and yes I need to read up on hunting. most of what i've studied has been for home defense, rifle hunting, and military (in fact just did a paper on laser weapon systems,as in star wars type not laser range finders)

Recoil management is best accomplished with proper gripping technique, porting has accomplished two things over the years, its made Larry Kelly a rich man, and it has bumped up the stock value for hearing aid companies. They also dont work that well with cast bullets.