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Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 7:20 am
by Simmer down
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 61336.html

DALLAS—Brady Knowlton believes it's his inalienable right as a Texan to shove his bare hand into the mouth of a 60-pound catfish and yank it out of a river.

But wrestling a flapping, whiskered giant as it latches onto your arm with its jaws isn't among Texas's accepted methods of capturing fish. It is, rather, a class C misdemeanor, with fines of up to $500.

Re: Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 7:40 am
by gendoikari87
Simmer down wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 61336.html

DALLAS—Brady Knowlton believes it's his inalienable right as a Texan to shove his bare hand into the mouth of a 60-pound catfish and yank it out of a river.

But wrestling a flapping, whiskered giant as it latches onto your arm with its jaws isn't among Texas's accepted methods of capturing fish. It is, rather, a class C misdemeanor, with fines of up to $500.
why make something illegal when the consequences of such an action are likely to result in death?

Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 9:21 am
by Paladin
I hat the guys that snag salmon around here.

Re: Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 7:56 pm
by Oldskool
Sounds like it could deplete fisheries by taking out bigguns and leaving their eggs. It'll probably stop whenever snakeheads move into the South.

Re: Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 7:59 pm
by JayFromPA
Sounds like it's done in the same spirit as Primitive Hunting. Not much difference between using a spear to take a deer and your hand to take a fish, in my book.

Re: Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 8:03 pm
by din
noodling is illegal in most states, for some damn reason. never made sense to me, but I am a simple man and don't understand most things. netflix has an awesome documentary on it called okie noodling, I think it's on instant but I haven't had netflix for a while so I could be dismembering.

Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 8:10 pm
by Paladin
Whatever you do don't look up snoodling.

Re: Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 8:43 pm
by ABNinfantryman
I'd say you'd have to have some balls to stick your hand in a log in murky water, then I look at the majority of the guys who do it and realize it's a lack of brains. A buddy of mine noodles in Mississippi but they use cages on rope with bait inside to simulate a log. He gets mad when I ask what's the point of catching a fish caught in a cage. :happy:

Re: Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 8:51 pm
by whitey
Paladin wrote:Whatever you do don't look up snoodling.
LMFAO, yes, I looked it up.

Re: Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:15 pm
by TxChinaman
Whatcha doing July 9th? : http://www.paulsvalley.com/noodling.html

Totally legal in the great state of Oklahoma. :tongue:

Re: Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:35 pm
by rolandson
whitey wrote:
Paladin wrote:Whatever you do don't look up snoodling.
LMFAO, yes, I looked it up.
oh jesus i think i am going to be sick

Re: Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:33 am
by mark
1. I hate you, Paladin.

2. I pulled this off the interwebs.
Q: How would legalizing hand fishing hurt our catfish numbers?

A: Research shows that legalizing hand fishing could severely deplete local catfish populations and put the abundance of a top Missouri game fish at risk.

Catfish are very vulnerable during the nesting season (June – August) because they lay their eggs in natural cavities and then do not leave the nest. If they’re taken away, their eggs quickly die. Catfish on the nest are not vulnerable to being caught by traditional sport-angling methods.

Our research shows that less than 25 percent of catfish migrate from large rivers to smaller tributaries. This degree of migration depends on seasonal water levels. Hand fishers have easy access to these smaller wading streams and the nesting cover catfish use, making these catfish especially vulnerable. If depleted, catfish populations in these tributaries would have great difficulty reestablishing their numbers. A survey of hand fishers conducted by the University of Missouri–Columbia Department of Parks, Recreation and Tourism reported that 90 percent of hand fishers prefer to fish in smaller rivers or streams, which are most vulnerable to over harvesting.

Catfish are long-lived (reaching ages of 25 years or more), are relatively slow growing, and can reach weights exceeding 75 pounds. They also lay many fewer eggs than other sport fish. Larger, older catfish are more effective breeders. Research shows that selectively removing larger “trophy” catfish, which noodlers prefer, could reduce local catfish numbers.

In north and west-central Missouri, in particular, streams have been greatly altered over the past 100 years, reducing catfish habitat. Hand fishing would place more pressure on these local catfish populations, which already have high harvest rates from current fishing practices.

Surveys show that hand fishing tends to be highly successful. Increasing the number of noodlers could further threaten local catfish populations.

According a survey of hand fishers conducted by the University of Missouri–Columbia Department of Parks, Recreation and Tourism, hand fishers report being successful at capturing a catfish 60 percent of the time. That is an extremely high success rate.

Hand fishers reported their average catch weighed approximately 20 pounds, which they considered to be a minimum-size catch. They preferred to catch larger, trophy-size 50-pound flathead catfish.

http://mdc.mo.gov/fishing/regulations/s ... o-noodling

Re: Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:56 am
by Simmer down
My brother told me about going noodling with a redneck friend of his. The guy put out 55 gal barrels then for years after makes his rounds and grabs for fish hiding in them. My first thought was catching tetanus for sure jamming an arm inside of rusted underwater drums. Catfish teeth are like strips of steel velcro and they lock down on the grubby fist & now bleeding forearm being shoved down their pieholes. Then you just wrestle them out of their condos into the jonboat.

The biggest catfish I've seen was about 5-6 ft long pulled out on heavy line in a deep spot in a creek. It looked prehistoric. Jethro was mighty proud of it.

Re: Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:09 am
by gendoikari87
rolandson wrote:
whitey wrote:
Paladin wrote:Whatever you do don't look up snoodling.
LMFAO, yes, I looked it up.
oh jesus i think i am going to be sick
snoodling is where you catch fish by hand right.... RIGHT?

Re: Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:21 am
by eelj
snoodling is where you catch fish by hand right.... RIGHT?
I suppose you could use your left hand if you are a south paw.

Re: Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:29 am
by gendoikari87
Simmer down wrote:My brother told me about going noodling with a redneck friend of his. The guy put out 55 gal barrels then for years after makes his rounds and grabs for fish hiding in them. My first thought was catching tetanus for sure jamming an arm inside of rusted underwater drums. Catfish teeth are like strips of steel velcro and they lock down on the grubby fist & now bleeding forearm being shoved down their pieholes. Then you just wrestle them out of their condos into the jonboat.

The biggest catfish I've seen was about 5-6 ft long pulled out on heavy line in a deep spot in a creek. It looked prehistoric. Jethro was mighty proud of it.
Biggest catfish I eve saw was a 500lber they pulled out of lake lainer up here.

Re: Texas gov't wants to dictate how fish are caught

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:24 pm
by Mason
mark wrote:1. I hate you, Paladin.

2. I pulled this off the interwebs.
Q: How would legalizing hand fishing hurt our catfish numbers?

A: Research shows that legalizing hand fishing could severely deplete local catfish populations and put the abundance of a top Missouri game fish at risk.

Catfish are very vulnerable during the nesting season (June – August) because they lay their eggs in natural cavities and then do not leave the nest. If they’re taken away, their eggs quickly die. Catfish on the nest are not vulnerable to being caught by traditional sport-angling methods.

Our research shows that less than 25 percent of catfish migrate from large rivers to smaller tributaries. This degree of migration depends on seasonal water levels. Hand fishers have easy access to these smaller wading streams and the nesting cover catfish use, making these catfish especially vulnerable. If depleted, catfish populations in these tributaries would have great difficulty reestablishing their numbers. A survey of hand fishers conducted by the University of Missouri–Columbia Department of Parks, Recreation and Tourism reported that 90 percent of hand fishers prefer to fish in smaller rivers or streams, which are most vulnerable to over harvesting.

Catfish are long-lived (reaching ages of 25 years or more), are relatively slow growing, and can reach weights exceeding 75 pounds. They also lay many fewer eggs than other sport fish. Larger, older catfish are more effective breeders. Research shows that selectively removing larger “trophy” catfish, which noodlers prefer, could reduce local catfish numbers.

In north and west-central Missouri, in particular, streams have been greatly altered over the past 100 years, reducing catfish habitat. Hand fishing would place more pressure on these local catfish populations, which already have high harvest rates from current fishing practices.

Surveys show that hand fishing tends to be highly successful. Increasing the number of noodlers could further threaten local catfish populations.

According a survey of hand fishers conducted by the University of Missouri–Columbia Department of Parks, Recreation and Tourism, hand fishers report being successful at capturing a catfish 60 percent of the time. That is an extremely high success rate.

Hand fishers reported their average catch weighed approximately 20 pounds, which they considered to be a minimum-size catch. They preferred to catch larger, trophy-size 50-pound flathead catfish.

http://mdc.mo.gov/fishing/regulations/s ... o-noodling
Typical liberal big government overreach.