Hickok45: Burial money in the empty single action chamber

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I always enjoy his videos. One of them is about an "old gunfighter's trick" that I had not heard. Trigger warning: yeah, he shoots black powder rounds.

[youtu_be]https://youtu.be/SKj7qyxnyDo?si=iFC2f0ybEMFctlbI[/youtu_be]

My Ruger old model Vaquero is stainless. I've been itchin' to try black powder in it. I read where I'll just need to clean iit the same day and it's totally safe, which is my practice anyway.

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wooglin wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 9:48 am I tried watching that the other day, but found the premise just too ridiculously apocryphal to hold my interest.
He's a bit flooding the market with his now three channels. I agree this vid smacks of concocted content. When we look at the actual facts of The Olde West, there really weren't that many actual gun fights. It's true that dime novel authors of the time cranked out tons of stories that get those dimes.

At a certain point in the lives of gun owners who own multiple guns, we come to a point where there's not really much beyond minute details to learn about guns. We can share stories and opinions, but there comes a time when we see there's enough salsa on the fries. I think Hickok45 for some years now has been cranking out content. He doesn't work a minute of his life because he's doing what he loves. In my life, have to to sigh and say, "Alas: no one would pay me to drink beer, so I had to work for a living. ;-)

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Yup agree, between dime novels and Hollywood, gunfights have been totally exaggerated. It's like the era of cowboys and cattle drives is exaggerated, it only lasted about 20 years.
In a thorough review of the “West was violent” literature, Bruce Benson (1998) discovered that many historians simply assume that violence was pervasive—even more so than in modern-day America—and then theorize about its likely causes. In addition, some authors assume that the West was very violent and then assert, as Joe Franz does, that “American violence today reflects our frontier heritage” (Franz 1969, qtd. in Benson 1998, 98). Thus, an allegedly violent and stateless society of the nineteenth century is blamed for at least some of the violence in the United States today. In a book-length survey of the “West was violent” literature, historian Roger McGrath echoes Benson’s skepticism about this theory when he writes that “the frontier-was-violent authors are not, for the most part, attempting to prove that the frontier was violent. Rather, they assume that it was violent and then proffer explanations for that alleged violence” (1984, 270).

In contrast, an alternative literature based on actual history concludes that the civil society of the American West in the nineteenth century was not very violent. Eugene Hollon writes that the western frontier “was a far more civilized, more peaceful and safer place than American society today” (1974, x). Terry Anderson and P. J. Hill affirm that although “[t]he West . . . is perceived as a place of great chaos, with little respect for property or life,” their research “indicates that this was not the case; property rights were protected and civil order prevailed. Private agencies provided the necessary basis for an orderly society in which property was protected and conflicts were resolved” (1979, 10). What were these private protective agencies? They were not governments because they did not have a legal monopoly on keeping order. Instead, they included such organizations as land clubs, cattlemen’s associations, mining camps, and wagon trains.

So-called land clubs were organizations established by settlers before the U.S. government even surveyed the land, let alone started to sell it or give it away. Because disputes over land titles are inevitable, the land clubs adopted their own constitutions, laying out the “laws” that would define and protect property rights in land (Anderson and Hill 1979, 15). They administered land claims, protected them from outsiders, and arbitrated disputes. Social ostracism was used effectively against those who violated the rules. Establishing property rights in this way minimized disputes—and violence. The wagon trains that transported thousands of people to the California gold fields and other parts of the West usually established their own constitutions before setting out. These constitutions often included detailed judicial systems. As a consequence, writes Benson, “[t]here were few instances of violence on the wagon trains even when food became extremely scarce and starvation threatened. When crimes against persons or their property were committed, the judicial system . . . would take effect” (1998, 102). Ostracism and threats of banishment from the group, instead of threats of violence, were usually sufficient to correct rule breakers’ behavior.

Dozens of movies have portrayed the nineteenth-century mining camps in the West as hot beds of anarchy and violence, but John Umbeck discovered that, beginning in 1848, the miners began forming contracts with one another to restrain their own behavior (1981, 51). There was no government authority in California at the time, apart from a few military posts. The miners’ contracts established property rights in land (and in any gold found on the land) that the miners themselves enforced. Miners who did not accept the rules the majority adopted were free to mine elsewhere or to set up their own contractual arrangements with other miners. The rules that were adopted were often consequently established with unanimous consent (Anderson and Hill 1979, 19). As long as a miner abided by the rules, the other miners defended his rights under the community contract. If he did not abide by the agreed-on rules, his claim would be regarded as “open to any [claim] jumpers” (Umbeck 1981, 53). The mining camps hired “enforcement specialists”—justices of the peace and arbitrators—and developed an extensive body of property and criminal law. As a result, there was very little violence and theft. The fact that the miners were usually armed also helps to explain why crime was relatively infrequent. Benson concludes, “The contractual system of law effectively generated cooperation rather than conflict, and on those occasions when conflict arose it was, by and large, effectively quelled through nonviolent means” (1998, 105).

When government bureaucrats failed to police cattle rustling effectively, ranchers established cattlemen’s associations that drew up their own constitutions and hired private “protection agencies” that were often staffed by expert gunmen. This action deterred cattle rustling. Some of these “gunmen” did “drift in and out of a life of crime,” write Anderson and Hill (1979, 18), but they were usually dealt with by the cattlemen’s associations and never created any kind of large-scale criminal organization, as some have predicted would occur under a regime of private law enforcement. In sum, this work by Benson, Anderson and Hill, Umbeck, and others challenges with solid historical research the claims made by the “West was violent” authors. The civil society of the American West in the nineteenth century was much more peaceful than American cities are today, and the evidence suggests that in fact the Old West was not a very violent place at all. History also reveals that the expanded presence of the U.S. government was the real cause of a culture of violence in the American West. If there is anything to the idea that a nineteenth-century culture of violence on the American frontier is the genesis of much of the violence in the United States today, the main source of that culture is therefore government, not civil society.
https://www.independent.org/publication ... asp?id=803

Didn't realize Hickok45 had so many channels. He has to keep producing content to keep making money.
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And it’s interesting to consider whether the so called “cowboy load” isn’t also just a myth. Possibly first propagated by those dime-store fiction writers on the old west who have never been there. Really, even if some cowboy in the Old West actually decided not to trust the Colt “six-shooter” SAA and decided himself that it was merely a Colt “five-shooter + safety”, I’m sure the majority of his compatriots probably called him a “Fudd” behind his back. The Sam Colt obviously designed the SAA partial-cocked hammer trigger-lock for a reason and it’s not just to spin the cylinder for loading. You don’t trust that in case you drop your pistol while twirling it?… Fudd!
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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Perhaps Hickok also has the original owners manual that came with that revolver, which would outline safety procedures for loading, carrying, and all the rest.

Then there's the experimental method, in which trial and error data are collected, collated, studied. Lessons such as boot leather won't stop bullets, are learned.

Product liability/personal injury lawyers were just getting their start.

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The .45LC is my favorite cartridge due to its versatility. My Vaquero is most accurate using 250gr LRNFP at about 950 fps. In my experiments looking for that load, I made some "cowboy action" loads around 800 fps that were really puff balls. Very mild recoil, but they grouped wider at 45 feet than I wanted. I even loaded some monster loads near 1200 fps. Man. Those were stout.

I don't know whether it is California's hand gun roster or Ruger's brilliance, but my Vaquero's transfer bar safety system is a neat piece of engineering. I could carry all six chambers full and drop the gun on its hammer and nothing would happen but me blushing for letting my gun fall.

Yeah, Hickok45 has a good sense of humor.

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