The emergency presidency

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I'm pretty tired from the election. This post is made to address the many post election threads on the board. It's paying attention to the minutiae is what made me tired. Now I can focus on the broader picture, as the minutiae everyone else posts provides illustration and examples.

I can start to say this is a Potemkin Presidency as it is built on lies and deception. It is designed to fool the rubes who voted for him. However, I predict the next two years will tell us whether this will have been The Emergency Presidency and the last elected presidency. I suspect he wants to be dictator for life, which will hopefully be short. Here's my reasoning.

He wants to declare an emergency about crime and immigration, disregarding that the numbers nowhere back that up. He has both Houses of Congress and a compliant Supreme Court who has granted him immunity from nearly everything as long as he declares it's part of his job. He wants to use force to deport many people. Since he declared an emergency, he will claim powers. His rubes will allow it. The compliant media will dutifully report on it favorably.

He wants to cut social services ostensibly to reduce the deficit, which he will massively increase with tax cuts. He will fuel inflation with tariffs that will enable more transfer of wealth from the bottom 90% to the top ten.

He wants to purge the military and the civil service of all non loyal minions. The ones remaining will dismantle the existing state. When there is no longer the ability to enforce laws, corporations can do what they want. The orange one will declare it all tickety boo and will devolve all elections to the states, then refuse to accept national results, will have effectively eliminated America.

Change my mind.

CDF
Crazy cat peekin' through a lace bandana
like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eye Jack

Re: The emergency presidency

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You sound depressed, CDF, and who can be surprised at that, after the bitter and long battle to keep The Orange Cretin out of office. Yet America seemingly has given these folks and their leader a "mandate" to proceed with what many of US think is madness. Keep your chin up, CDF. What *will* happen is likely a lot less terrible for the Republic than what we can imagine will happen. I can't change your mind as I'm the dork that believes this Republic has, some time ago, turned the corner and is unsalvageable in the long term. But it's not gonna come to a screaming fail in the next few years. We as a Republic yet have altitude to trade for airspeed yet. Let's wait and see if the worst actually comes to fruition. Chin up, Sir.

VooDoo
Tyrants disarm the people they intend to oppress. Hope is not a Plan.

Dot 'em if ya got 'em!

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What I'm hearing now is a lot of what I heard during the 2016 election and after Trump surprisingly won. The media and Democrats whipped themselves into frenzies, some anti-gunners bought guns, but we never had a revolution. Politicians lie to get elected, I don't seriously believe a lot of what they say. They're media whores and the media loves the extremists. Most of the conflicts ahead will end up in federal courts, which will be very busy in the next 4 years. Unless you're a person who thrives on stress then don't overdo it, your health will suffer, not Trump's. And if you're so worried, then push the Democratic Party to change, so they don't make the same fucking mistakes again.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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highdesert wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:43 pm What I'm hearing now is a lot of what I heard during the 2016 election and after Trump surprisingly won. The media and Democrats whipped themselves into frenzies, some anti-gunners bought guns, but we never had a revolution. Politicians lie to get elected, I don't seriously believe a lot of what they say. They're media whores and the media loves the extremists. Most of the conflicts ahead will end up in federal courts, which will be very busy in the next 4 years. Unless you're a person who thrives on stress then don't overdo it, your health will suffer, not Trump's. And if you're so worried, then push tmocratic Party to change, so they don't make the same fucking mistakes again.
Even the Orange Moron learned from the 1st term; I am of the same mind as CD, I believe he will try to take absolute power very quickly. All one has to do is look at what evil men have tried to do in the past to know what evil is capable of now and in the future. Human nature hasn't changed.
The USA has never been the shining light on the hill so many believe it is; our history as a nation is full of greed and evil. Perhaps the time has come to pay the piper.
"it's a goddamn impossible way of life"
"And so it goes"

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geno wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:29 pm
highdesert wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:43 pm What I'm hearing now is a lot of what I heard during the 2016 election and after Trump surprisingly won. The media and Democrats whipped themselves into frenzies, some anti-gunners bought guns, but we never had a revolution. Politicians lie to get elected, I don't seriously believe a lot of what they say. They're media whores and the media loves the extremists. Most of the conflicts ahead will end up in federal courts, which will be very busy in the next 4 years. Unless you're a person who thrives on stress then don't overdo it, your health will suffer, not Trump's. And if you're so worried, then push tmocratic Party to change, so they don't make the same fucking mistakes again.
Even the Orange Moron learned from the 1st term; I am of the same mind as CD, I believe he will try to take absolute power very quickly. All one has to do is look at what evil men have tried to do in the past to know what evil is capable of now and in the future. Human nature hasn't changed.
The USA has never been the shining light on the hill so many believe it is; our history as a nation is full of greed and evil. Perhaps the time has come to pay the piper.
I didn't say the "tmocratic" Party, I said the Democratic Party.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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highdesert wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:43 pm
geno wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:29 pm
highdesert wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:43 pm What I'm hearing now is a lot of what I heard during the 2016 election and after Trump surprisingly won. The media and Democrats whipped themselves into frenzies, some anti-gunners bought guns, but we never had a revolution. Politicians lie to get elected, I don't seriously believe a lot of what they say. They're media whores and the media loves the extremists. Most of the conflicts ahead will end up in federal courts, which will be very busy in the next 4 years. Unless you're a person who thrives on stress then don't overdo it, your health will suffer, not Trump's. And if you're so worried, then push tmocratic Party to change, so they don't make the same fucking mistakes again.
Even the Orange Moron learned from the 1st term; I am of the same mind as CD, I believe he will try to take absolute power very quickly. All one has to do is look at what evil men have tried to do in the past to know what evil is capable of now and in the future. Human nature hasn't changed.
The USA has never been the shining light on the hill so many believe it is; our history as a nation is full of greed and evil. Perhaps the time has come to pay the piper.
I didn't say the "tmocratic" Party, I said the Democratic Party.
I don't know what game is being played here; but all I did was hit quote I DIDN"T CHANGE A THING. Now when I hit quote again I see this " tmocratic" Yet I still see Democratic when I read your original post?
My point wasn't really even directed at you, but a reply to the entire thread my hitting quote was my mistake; as you can see I mention neither parties in my post.
"it's a goddamn impossible way of life"
"And so it goes"

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Back on track, here is a quote and link providing a more studied perspective on this upcoming presidency,


There are five key areas that authoritarians want to control when they attempt to decapitate a democratic state, authoritarian expert and author Timothy Snyder writes: health, law, administration, defense and intelligence.
https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/11/is- ... s-yes.html

on edit, here is a link after the image to Pew Research. The links on the page each lead to deeper aspects of the survey.
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https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/ ... ers_03-04/

The claim that billionaire media moguls carried water for TOS is supported.

Maybe the "entertainment presidency" might be better, looking at all the rich donors he's proposing to lead the .gov. It's all about the falsified image being supported by suck ups. What could go wrong?

on edit, here's a one hour podcast to play while you're doing housework or something, that examines what the second term may hold and why this is so. She compares him to several other dictators in second terms. She offers five good news items.

[youtu_be]https://youtu.be/BwFZpROLvX4?si=QbyP7ghQnX4VGwu7[/youtu_be]

CDF
Crazy cat peekin' through a lace bandana
like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eye Jack

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Stuff like this reminds me of how far behind the times I am. Does the LGC count as being on social media? If not then I'm not. I do however watch old sci-fi movies on you tube now and then.

I'm halfway there to off grid. 3/4 to off rocker.
I ordered a case of optimism from Amazon, but porch pirates beat me to it. Still, chin-up.

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papajim2jordan wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:39 am Stuff like this reminds me of how far behind the times I am. Does the LGC count as being on social media? If not then I'm not. I do however watch old sci-fi movies on you tube now and then.

I'm halfway there to off grid. 3/4 to off rocker.
Yeah. We are a hobby forum.

CDF
Crazy cat peekin' through a lace bandana
like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eye Jack

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Trump has been the "burn it all down and fire anyone who feels otherwise" Guy and his MAGA People elected him to do that. I keep remembering that the original plan of the Third Reich was to round up all the undesirables and ship them off to a place out of Germany. But the process was too big to happen with the resources that Germany possessed at the time and people in detention began to starve so Plan B became The Holocaust.

I'm concerned that if Trump gets started on rounding up people in the US he wants deported that the logistics will fail and we'll end up with millions in detention and no where to send them or no resources to get them out of here. What he's proposing makes his "build a wall" BS of 2016 look like a joke.

VooDoo
Tyrants disarm the people they intend to oppress. Hope is not a Plan.

Dot 'em if ya got 'em!

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The only thing that might save, or delay, the inevitable collapse is that the oligarchs will feel pain when Saffron Satan puts his “concepts” into action…

Otherwise, they are quadruple down on their agenda.

We may have some unlikely allies in former Trumptards who get hosed by him, especially if family members start disappearing….

Certainly won’t be boring

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Many things can happen.
Maybe the current president reads the OP and realizes that this is indeed an emergency and, after finding where he left his spine, acts to prevent the catastrophic destruction of the republic.

Or the current joint chiefs, remembering that their oath is to the constitution act to protect it.

Or the secret service decides that once was four years too many and loads fat boy with his fsb handler (excuse me...wife) and that gaggle of things he calls children and sycophants onto his airplane (please don't forget that there is lots of space in the cargo hold for Clarence and Sam and Marjorie and Lauren and Elon and and and...) with enough fuel to get it to Cuba (maybe...if they all get out and push) and saves a grateful nation.

Many things can happen. Just because the election is over doesn't mean we can't do it again.
People want leadership, and in the absence of genuine leadership they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone.”Aaron Sorkin/Michael J Fox The American President
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Literate Ignorance of the left...

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featureless wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:09 pm I don't think his mass deportation will work. The economic impact would be unacceptable to his donors, let alone his supporters. I believe he may try but that saner minds (if such a thing exists in that party) will cool it down. It's still going to fuck over a bunch of people, though.
I agree featureless, it's not over until it's over and that's a long way down the road. Immigration hearings have stretched to 2029 last I saw, so he's going to have to at least temporarily hire a lot of immigration judges to decide a lot of cases very quickly. Other than the recent border crossers, there are thousands of people in the US who have overstayed their visas and ICE could start deporting them. It's all about optics that feeds Trump's base.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Left-leaning apps, news websites and social networks are experiencing a spike in engagement following President-elect Trump's election win, further dividing the internet along political lines. It's not unusual for resistance media to rise in response to contentious elections. But the internet itself is becoming more politically divided than ever, driving Americans further into echo chambers. Bluesky, an alternative to Elon Musk's X, saw downloads rise by 430% during election week, according to Sensor Tower. Usage of the Bluesky app in the U.S. grew by 519% in the weeks after the election, compared to the first 10 months of the year, per SimilarWeb. The social network's growth is linked to users "either leaving X or investing more time in exploring a promising alternative," SimilarWeb's editor of insights news and research, David Carr, noted.

Lefty, a dating app for progressives, has experienced an unprecedented 453% surge in downloads in the two weeks since the election, founder and CEO Alex Felipelli told Axios. "The surge in downloads since the recent Trump victory underscores a profound shift among progressives who are seeking like-minded partners in a deeply polarized political climate," he said. New data from CivicScience, a polling firm, found that people who voted for Vice President Harris are more active than Trump voters on Threads, Instagram, LinkedIn, and TikTok, while Trump voters are much much more likely to be active on X. Certain streaming apps, such as Disney+, Hulu, and Amazon Prime Video, are also much more popular among Harris voters than Trump voters.

Some progressive news outlets are leaning even heavier into resistance coverage — a business move that proved effective in 2016. Slate said daily subscription sign-ups were seven times higher than normal on the day after the election. The Guardian raised $2.4 million in two days after the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post pulled their Harris endorsements at the last minute. Conservatives tried to build their own alternate internet ecosystem toward the end of the Trump administration, particularly after Jan. 6, when most of the internet's biggest platforms de-platformed then-President Trump. Musk bought X. Peter Thiel and Vice President-elect J.D. Vance invested in Rumble, a YouTube alternative for conservatives, which has since gone public. President-elect Trump launched Truth Social, which is now public. Thiel backed the creation of The Right Stuff, a conservative dating app that now has 3.4 million followers on TikTok. Conservatives launched their own internet hosting company, RightForge, a new "Magacoin" cryptocurrency, and began investing in their own entertainment companies and streaming services.

For platforms and media outlets looking to become more neutral, playing to everyone's interests may present business challenges. CNN's election night ratings fell below MSNBC's for the first time this year amid a broader pivot to more centric coverage. Ratings for MSNBC's "Morning Joe" plummeted after co-hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski told viewers they visited Trump. The show drew just 680,000 viewers on Tuesday, down from an average of more than 1 million. The Washington Post and Los Angeles Times both saw subscribers flee in response to orders from their owners Jeff Bezos and Patrick Soon-Shiong to axe Harris endorsements. All signs point to online tribalism increasing as the barrier to entry for new digital products lowers, challenging mainstream institutions.
https://www.axios.com/2024/11/22/bluesk ... edia-trump

The tribes are preparing for full battle mode in 2026 and 2028.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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This article is by a Hungarian who lived under Orban. He writes about what the plan is for this new admin. Here is a bit from an excellent article from Politico.
— Strengthen Executive Power. After serving one term as prime minister, Orbán lost office in 2002. He resolved that next time, he is going to be much more aggressive in strengthening his hold on power. Trump and his team have prepared for their second term in a similar way. Kevin Roberts, president of the Heritage Foundation behind the infamous Project 2025, portrayed Hungary as “the model for conservative statecraft.” Project 2025 echoes Orbán’s playbook, pushing to dismantle liberal influence in the “administrative state” and strengthen executive power. As Trump’s initial nominees also show, we can expect systematic efforts to sweep out officials deemed disloyal to the president. Trump also plans to centralize control over institutions, ranging from the Federal Reserve Board to the Federal Communications Commission.

— Discipline the judiciary. Efforts at reining in the Justice Department and exerting more influence over the judiciary will be crucial. With Republicans already controlling the Supreme Court, any new appointments during Trump’s term would cement a conservative majority for decades. Trump was also open about his plan to fire attorneys who refuse to follow his orders. Vance even mentioned the option of simply disobeying judicial authorities.

— Change Election Processes. Manipulating electoral rules and district boundaries to benefit the ruling party is a strategy that Orbán imported from the U.S. The state of Georgia is a case in point, where Republicans have increased their power to change electoral results they deem fraudulent. In Congress, Republicans have proposed far-reaching legislation that could allow Republicans to twist the electoral process to their advantage in future election cycles.

— Control the media. Orbán consolidated media control through centralized propaganda, market pressure and loyal billionaires. In the U.S., in addition to the already powerful empire of Rupert Murdoch, several recent examples show the power of friendly tycoons over the media. Elon Musk is a good case study; he used Twitter-turned-X to bolster right-wing populists and now stands to gain much from his relationship with Trump. This mirrors Orbán’s strategy to forge a strong alliance with the country’s billionaires for mutual protection and support. Trump also plans to move fast on a business-friendly agenda of tax cuts, deregulation and expanded energy production.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... s-00191281

The perfect being the enemy of the good bodes ill for America. However, he offers an antidote in the concluding material.

CDF
Crazy cat peekin' through a lace bandana
like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eye Jack

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What CD posted is nothing new. This playbook has been used since the early 20th Century by the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler and others to numerous to mention. Hitler wins the award for the most diabolical of the dictators because of the total destruction and deaths he caused. If we can believe what Melania Trump has stated that TOS would read a book of Hitler's speeches at bed time it shows how he was learning the dictators plays. Hitler laid out just what he was going to do in his speeches.So now we have a blueprint of what TOS wants to do.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
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