Connecticut AG argues "democratically protected" semiauto "hunting rifles" not protected under 2A

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NAGR v. Lamont

https://insideinvestigator.org/hunting-guns-protection/
What does that mean? According to attorney Joshua Perry, who works for the Connecticut Attorney General’s office, this means hunting rifles are legal but not protected by the Constitution. He argues that the Constitution only guarantees citizens the right to guns commonly used in self-defense and that semi-automatic rifles used in hunting do not fall into that category.
Perry argued the state could restrict guns not commonly used for self-defense. Nathan asked if, by this logic, semi-automatic hunting rifles were protected. Perry said they are not.
Same attorney in another case, Grant v. Rovella:
“Connecticut has not banned hunting rifles. Whether or not they are constitutionally protected, they are certainly democratically protected,” Perry said. “As a rule, something that is popular doesn’t need constitutional protection, because it’s popular. Hunting rifles would certainly fall into that category.”

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Common use is a criteria outlined by SCOTUS. Semiautomatic rifles like the AR15 are common use. I can semi understand states limiting hunting rifle magazines to 5 cartridges, but the same rifle used at the range or self defense shouldn’t be restricted.

Side note, semiautomatic rifles were first marketed and used in 1906 for hunting purposes. Military didn’t want them, thought they were wasteful.
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tailgunner wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 7:47 pm Maybe the military where you came from didn't want them but we sure did.
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about, the Remington Model 8 was primarily a hunting rifle, used by some law enforcement agencies like the Texas Rangers. It was also used in limited numbers by the French in WW1, but not by our military. I’ve read it was offered to our (US) military and turned down.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_8
The primary market for the Model 8 was sport hunting. The Model 8 was used as a police gun, modified to use detachable extended capacity magazines, among other changes. While seeing limited use in World War I, it was used by the French Aéronautique Militaire[10] in very small numbers. It is noted as the rifle of choice by famed Texas Ranger Frank Hamer.[4]
Your comment of where I come from is prejudiced, totally uncalled for and inappropriate.

The BAR came late in 1918.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1918_B ... atic_rifle

And was not widely used by the military until 1938:
Although the weapon did see action in late 1918 during World War I, the BAR did not become standard issue in the US Army until 1938, when it was issued to squads as a portable light machine gun.
So in effect the early most common users of semiautomatic rifles were civilians as I noted.
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tailgunner wrote: Maybe the military where you came from didn't want them but we sure did.

My doctoral (history) thesis centered on technology, science, and weaponry...and their influence upon one another as it relates to war and peace. I've given the subject a little thought.

(As a scientist with an advanced degree in physics, that was the only way the history department would entertain assisting my escape from the college of science...)

The US utilized the M1903 Springfield and the M1917 Enfield as the principal infantry rifle until the acceptance of the M1 Garand, and it didn't reach what might be considered full integration until preparation for the allied North Africa landings. There were many die-hards within the NCO ranks who were revolted at the thought of the Garand...

just like with the acceptance of the M16 in the 60's...
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Legal fugery there to try to push a point across. As if there was a difference between humans and animals when it comes to weapons. Since when was the 2nd Amendment primarily about home or personal defence?
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
What I read is that lethal force is important for the security if a free State… free from outward invasion as well as free from tyranny. So any legal interpretation about what kind of gun is allowed is just pulled from someone’s ass.
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Bisbee wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:46 am Legal fugery there to try to push a point across. As if there was a difference between humans and animals when it comes to weapons. Since when was the 2nd Amendment primarily about home or personal defence?
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
What I read is that lethal force is important for the security if a free State… free from outward invasion as well as free from tyranny. So any legal interpretation about what kind of gun is allowed is just pulled from someone’s ass.
I'm in agreement also. The Militia comes from the ranks of the People. The People must be armed so as to be available for Militia duty should the need arise. The hunting and self defense arguments are specious in that the 2A does not refer to them.

Some of the regulations inflicted upon the Militia concerned rifle type and caliber. This was so the Militia could supply ammo and spare parts. But the limitations existed and were tolerated but sometimes worked around.

The People need to be armed, but as Scalia wrote, there is a limit on the types, functions, and places concerning weapons keeping and bearing. Still nothing wrong about an M1 Garand, eh.

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CDFingers wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:51 am They remain nonetheless the Law of the Land.

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That is true, they are. And those restrictions need to be overturned in the courts, in lawful fashion.

I would really like to see a law, like Florida enacted some years ago, holding local officials who pass un-Constitutional laws personally liable civilly, i. e. they can be sued from their personal wallets, for those bad laws. In Florida, there were a bunch of municipal/local laws that hastily got expunged from the books after this state law took effect.
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sikacz wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:45 pm
tailgunner wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 7:47 pm Maybe the military where you came from didn't want them but we sure did.
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about, the Remington Model 8 was primarily a hunting rifle, used by some law enforcement agencies like the Texas Rangers. It was also used in limited numbers by the French in WW1, but not by our military. I’ve read it was offered to our (US) military and turned down.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_8
The primary market for the Model 8 was sport hunting. The Model 8 was used as a police gun, modified to use detachable extended capacity magazines, among other changes. While seeing limited use in World War I, it was used by the French Aéronautique Militaire[10] in very small numbers. It is noted as the rifle of choice by famed Texas Ranger Frank Hamer.[4]
Your comment of where I come from is prejudiced, totally uncalled for and inappropriate.

The BAR came late in 1918.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1918_B ... atic_rifle

And was not widely used by the military until 1938:
Although the weapon did see action in late 1918 during World War I, the BAR did not become standard issue in the US Army until 1938, when it was issued to squads as a portable light machine gun.


So in effect the early most common users of semiautomatic rifles were civilians as I noted.
Just because the military thought the civilian model was inadequate doesn't mean they didn't want machine guns. lol They didn't see the need between world wars.
The police did jump on some just because they were outgunned by mobsters.
Your comment of where I come from is prejudiced, totally uncalled for and inappropriate.
I don't know where you came from it was just a typical analogy to the post and is used all the time in discussion. Sorry your so touchy about it.

Here's the first paragraph in the History dept of the article you linked to.
The US entered World War I with an inadequate, small, and obsolete assortment of domestic and foreign machine gun designs, due primarily to bureaucratic indecision and the lack of an established military doctrine for their employment. When the United States declaration of war on Germany was announced on 6 April 1917, the high command was made aware that to fight this trench war, dominated by machine-guns, they had on hand a mere 670 M1909 Benét–Merciés, 282 M1904 Maxims and 158 Colt-Browning M1895s.[7] After much debate, it was finally agreed that a rapid rearmament with domestic weapons would be required, but until that time, US troops would be issued whatever the French and British had to offer. The arms donated by the French were often second-rate or surplus and chambered in 8mm Lebel, further complicating logistics as machine gunners and infantrymen were issued different types of ammunition.[4]
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BKinzey wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:47 pm
tailgunner wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:46 pm
SubRosa wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:22 pm And then came the immortal Browning M1917 belt-fed et al.

SR
:clap:
The comment was about semi automatic and you started talking about fully automatic.
Yeah, nice side track.
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