With Green Light From Biden White House, Israel Invades Lebanon

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Israeli forces invaded southern Lebanon early Tuesday with the open support of the United States, which endorsed what it called "limited operations to destroy Hezbollah infrastructure" despite warnings that a ground assault could spark a wider conflict and intensify the humanitarian disaster facing Lebanese civilians.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) described its ground invasion with the same terms it has used to characterize its bombing campaigns in Lebanon and Gaza, which—despite being called "targeted" at Hezbollah and Hamas—have frequently killed scores of civilians and obliterated schools, hospitals, shops, and residential buildings. Since mid-September, Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon have killed more than a thousand people and displaced roughly a million.

The IDF launched its ground invasion with the backing of the Biden administration. In a statement, the White House said that the invasion of Lebanon is "in line with Israel's right to defend its citizens and safely return civilians to their homes."

A spokesperson for the White House National Security Council acknowledged the risk of "mission creep" only to effectively wave it away, saying that "we will keep discussing that with the Israelis."

Analysts likened Israel's movement of troops into Lebanon to its invasion of the southern Gaza city of Rafah earlier this year—an operation that was initially described as limited but ultimately left the area in ruins.

"Gaza was a testing ground for Israel to see what they could get away with and, it turns out, the answer is absolutely anything it wants," said historian and analyst Assal Rad. "It did not stop at Gaza or the West Bank and it may not stop at Lebanon, because war was [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu's objective all along and his prize is Iran."

"Make no mistake: The Biden administration is providing cover for Israel as it invades a neighboring, sovereign nation."

The invasion comes after the Netanyahu government rejected a three-week cease-fire proposal put forth by the U.S., France, and other nations and intensified its bombing of Lebanon, hammering Beirut with airstrikes that killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and many civilians. The attack that killed Nasrallah was reportedly carried out with 2,000-pound bombs supplied by the U.S.
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CDFingers wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:05 pm Do not forget "The Great Game" in the Middle East: it's about regional power and control. It does not matter who dies among the rabble. What matters is keeping Iran/Russia in check. It really sucks, but that's what it is.

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Iran popped out of check long enough to launch a couple hundred missiles into Israel just now.

I'm ready for some sanity in the world.

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Yes, Iran sent dozens of rockets raining down on Israel, reports are there were only minor injuries in Israel. Their Iron Dome system intercepted most. No matter which US presidential candidate wins on Nov 5th, our Israel policy is unlikely to change much. Netanyahu is trying to delay the inevitable, that he'll be convicted of corruption and sentenced to prison and barred from political office.


An on top of the Lebanon invasion and Iran's response,
Six people have been killed in a shooting and knife attack in Tel Aviv, police in Israel have confirmed. At least nine others were reported to have been injured, and several are in a critical condition. Police said the attack began in a rail carriage and continued on the platform. Images posted on social media showed the gunman shooting at bystanders in the Jaffa area. Police said two attackers were "neutralised" by members of the public and described the motive as "terror".
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce3wykxzk81o
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sikacz wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:06 pm Turned off the evening news. Sounds like biden is about to get us into a war, troops heading to the Middle East. I am so against our government’s position on this. F’em.
You can watch the debate tonight to take your mind off of it. :roflmao:

I know we differ on opinion over this to some degree, but I'm absolutely sure that war with Iran is not the answer. Agree, it's disgusting. I'm so tired of the continued conflict everywhere. Can't wait for this fucking election to be over just so there's one less icky thing floating around the recesses of my head.

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featureless wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:38 pm
sikacz wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:06 pm Turned off the evening news. Sounds like biden is about to get us into a war, troops heading to the Middle East. I am so against our government’s position on this. F’em.
You can watch the debate tonight to take your mind off of it. :roflmao:

I know we differ on opinion over this to some degree, but I'm absolutely sure that war with Iran is not the answer. Agree, it's disgusting. I'm so tired of the continued conflict everywhere. Can't wait for this fucking election to be over just so there's one less icky thing floating around the recesses of my head.
Totally in agreement with the bold part. I’m so glad I just had my minor surgery before this globe gets turned into a dust ball.
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Agree and old men who fight to stay in power are the worst. Iran aimed over 200 ballistic missiles at Israel and Israeli and US missiles intercepted most. Now Netanyahu will be responding. Reports are that Israel used a US bunker busting bomb to destroy Hezbollah's Beirut headquarters and kill its leader. In response Iran targeted Mossad headquarters in addition to military installations.
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sikacz wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:58 am
Eris wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:55 am So Iran has responded to Israel's response to Hezbollah's response to Israels' response to Hamas' response to ...

This shit just never stops.
Yes, and women and children are the main casualties according to news reports. I’m totally disgusted.
The innocent are always the primary victims of war.
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Eris wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:59 am
sikacz wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:58 am
Eris wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:55 am So Iran has responded to Israel's response to Hezbollah's response to Israels' response to Hamas' response to ...

This shit just never stops.
Yes, and women and children are the main casualties according to news reports. I’m totally disgusted.
The innocent are always the primary victims of war.
Truth. The ones who have the least say or no say if there is to be a war.
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sikacz wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:02 am
Eris wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:59 am
sikacz wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:58 am
Eris wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:55 am So Iran has responded to Israel's response to Hezbollah's response to Israels' response to Hamas' response to ...

This shit just never stops.
Yes, and women and children are the main casualties according to news reports. I’m totally disgusted.
The innocent are always the primary victims of war.
Truth. The ones who have the least say or no say if there is to be a war.
Truth. I don't know if humans will ever manage to not make war. Unfortunately, as population continues to go up, climate change continues to increase in severity and resources continue to diminish, war will likely be with us until the end.

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featureless wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:09 am
sikacz wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:02 am
Eris wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:59 am
sikacz wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:58 am
Yes, and women and children are the main casualties according to news reports. I’m totally disgusted.
The innocent are always the primary victims of war.
Truth. The ones who have the least say or no say if there is to be a war.
Truth. I don't know if humans will ever manage to not make war. Unfortunately, as population continues to go up, climate change continues to increase in severity and resources continue to diminish, war will likely be with us until the end.
Sadly I agree.
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Israeli officials staring down all-out regional war tell Axios Israel will launch a "significant retaliation" to Tuesday's massive missile attack within days that could target oil production facilities inside Iran and other strategic sites. Israel and Iran have never been closer to opening up a new and far more dangerous front in the war that has engulfed the Middle East. Iran threatened on Tuesday that if Israel responds with force to the nearly 200 missiles it launched on Tuesday, it will attack again. If that happens, Israeli officials say all options will be on the table — including strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities. "We have a big question mark about how the Iranians are going to respond to an attack, but we take into consideration the possibility that they would go all in, which will be a whole different ball game," an Israeli official said. Many Israeli officials point to Iran's oil facilities as a likely target, but some say targeted assassinations and taking out Iran's air defense systems are also possibilities.

The Israeli response could include airstrikes from fighter jets as well as clandestine operations similar to the one that killed Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran two months ago. Iran's missile and drone attack on Israel in April was answered by a very limited Israeli strike against an S-300 air defense battery in Iran and ended the exchange of direct attacks. This time around the Israeli retaliation will be much more significant, Israeli officials said. The Israeli security cabinet convened on Tuesday at an underground government bunker inside a mountain near Jerusalem. The meeting started as the first wave of Iranian ballistic missiles made its way towards Israel. Many of the Iranian missiles were intercepted by Israeli and U.S. missile defense systems. Those that weren't intercepted mostly hit open areas near an air force base in southern Israel, the Mossad headquarters and a military intelligence base north of Tel Aviv. An Israeli defense official told Axios dozens of Iranian missiles were fired at the Mossad headquarters but none hit inside the compound. At the top of the security cabinet meeting, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu signaled Israel's next move.

"Iran made a big mistake tonight and it will pay for it," Netanyahu said in a video his office released. "The regime in Iran does not understand our determination to defend ourselves and our determination to retaliate against our enemies. They will understand. We will stand by the rule we established: whoever attacks us, we will attack him," Netanyahu continued. Two Israeli officials said the cabinet meeting ended after several hours with the understanding that there will be an Israeli military response but without a clear decision on what that response will be. A senior Israeli official told Axios one of the reasons a decision wasn't made at the cabinet meeting was because Israeli officials want to consult with the Biden administration. While Israel is going to respond on its own, it wants to coordinate its plans with the U.S. because of the strategic implications of the situation. Another Iranian attack in response to an Israeli retaliation would require defensive cooperation with U.S. Central Command, more munitions for the Israeli air force and potentially other kinds of U.S. operational support, the Israeli official said.

President Biden said on Tuesday that the U.S. and Israel are discussing the response to the Iranian attack and "it remains to be seen" what the outcome will be. A U.S. official said in talks between the Biden administration and the Israeli government on Tuesday the U.S. made clear it supports an Israeli response but that it thinks it needs to be measured. Biden said he will speak with Netanyahu about the response to the Israeli attack. An Israeli official said the call could take place on Wednesday several hours before the Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashanah.
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/02/iran-i ... s-response

Israel has been fighting Iranian proxy groups for years, Hamas in Gaza, Houthis in Yemen and Hezbollah in Lebanon, Alawites in Syria and others. With Israel's attacks on Iranian nuclear facilities and assassinations inside Iran, it's becoming more an Israel-Iran conflict. We'll see what the response is from Sandi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Arab countries that have signed treaties with Israel under the Abraham Accords.
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Iran’s attack on Israel yesterday evoked a sense of déjà vu. On April 13, too, Iran targeted Israel with hundreds of missiles and drones—at that time marking a first-ever in the history of the two countries. The latest strikes were notably similar: more show than effect, resulting in few casualties (April’s injured only a young Arab Israeli girl, and today’s killed a Palestinian worker in Jericho, in the West Bank). No Israeli civilians were hurt in either attack, although it’s likely that Iran’s use of more sophisticated missiles brought about greater damage this time. Now, as then, my sources suggest that Iran has no appetite for getting into a war and hopes for this to be the end of hostilities. And yet, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei decided to take the risk. In the past month, Iran has had to watch while Israel made quick work of destroying Hezbollah’s command structure and killed its leader, Hassan Nasrallah. Tehran was fast losing face, and Khamenei apparently made up his mind to shore up his anti-Israel credibility. History will show how consequential this decision was.

Shortly after the missile barrage, Benjamin Netanyahu publicly announced that Iran had made a “big mistake” and would “pay for it.” Israel’s dedicated X account echoed this threat in Persian. Former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett called on Netanyahu to attack Iran’s nuclear and energy sites, claiming that this could lead Iranians to rise up and bring down their regime at last. Israel has had no better chance in half a century to change the region fundamentally, Bennett said. This is a terrifying moment for Iran. Khamenei has long pursued what he calls a “no peace, no war” strategy: Iran supports regional militias opposed to Western interests and the Jewish state but avoids actually getting into a war. The approach was always untenable. But Iran is not ready for an all-out war: Its economically battered society does not share its leaders’ animus toward Israel, and its military capabilities don’t even begin to match Israel’s sophisticated arsenal. Iran lacks significant air-defense capabilities on its own, and Russia has not leapt to complement them.

“We don’t have a fucking air force,” a source in Tehran close to the Iranian military told me, under condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals. Of the attack on Israel, he said, “I don’t know what they are thinking.” Iran’s diplomats have said that the attacks were an exercise of self-defense under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said that Iran targeted “solely military and security sites” that Israel was using to attack Gaza and Lebanon (an odd fit for self-defense claims, because neither of these is Iranian territory). He added that Iran had waited for two months “to give space for a cease-fire in Gaza,” and that it now deemed the matter “concluded.” Other regime figures have contributed more bluster. “We could have turned Tel Aviv and Haifa to rubble, but we didn’t,” said Ahmad Vahidi, the former head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ Quds Force. “If Israel makes a mistake, we might change our decision and turn Tel Aviv into rubble overnight.”

In the past couple of weeks, Israel’s blitzkrieg actions against Hezbollah have neutralized Iran’s most potent threat—that of Hamas and Hezbollah missiles pointing at Israel from two directions. Some observers have compared the moment to 1967, when Israel decisively defeated Jordan, Syria, and Egypt in the Six-Day War. Israel seemingly holds all the cards; it could still choose to “take the win,” as President Joe Biden urged Netanyahu to do back in April, and carve a new place for itself in the region through diplomacy. In one sign of the possibility for goodwill, as in April, Arab states such as Jordan intercepted some of the Iranian missiles aimed at Israel.
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... dium=email
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