Gov. Newsom signs over a dozen gun bills into law.

CDFingers

Gov. Newsom signs over a dozen gun bills into law.

1 by CDFingers

The full list will be found at the link below. Here is one paragraph from the governor's site.

California has long led the way in enacting commonsense and effective protections against gun violence. California’s gun safety laws save lives. The Golden State is ranked #1 for gun safety and last year experienced a gun death rate 43% lower than the national average. In comparison, Texas and Florida, who ranked 31st and 24th respectively in gun law strength, had firearm mortality rates more than 1.5 times that of California. Since the early 1990s, California has cut its gun death rate in half. By 2022, California had the 7th lowest gun death rate in the country. If other states’ gun death mortality rates matched California’s, an estimated 140,000 Americans would still be alive today.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/09/24/gover ... -gun-laws/

We may not "like" the existing laws, but it's hard to argue with measurable results.

CDF

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Re: Gov. Newsom signs over a dozen gun bills into law.

2 by featureless

CDC "mortality" agrees with the hair gel, but I'm virtually certain that includes suicide, which gun laws really aren't designed to address. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosm ... irearm.htm

Rand gives us some better granularity.
For gun homicide, CA is at 4.7 deaths per 100k. TX is at 6.6. Fl is 5.3. Percentages can sound very impressive. The actual number of lives saved by CA's laws form gun homicide is not a whole lot different from the wild lawless states of TX and FL, being 1.9 or 0.6 persons per 100k, respectively.
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-polic ... ality.html

CA does pretty well on suicides, being 49% lower than the national average. But that isn't related to gun laws.

CDFingers

Re: Gov. Newsom signs over a dozen gun bills into law.

3 by CDFingers

Red flag laws do indeed address whether a person is a danger to self or others. Many times those who seek suicide provide no clues. When they do provide clues, laws can act.

When you go to the link at your link, featureless, we can turn off everything but those related to suicide.

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-polic ... fects.html

I did that with California and still got a 17% reduction. Go there and take out and add things to see how the stats play out.

CDF

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Re: Gov. Newsom signs over a dozen gun bills into law.

4 by featureless

CDFingers wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 10:14 am Red flag laws do indeed address whether a person is a danger to self or others. Many times those who seek suicide provide no clues. When they do provide clues, laws can act.

When you go to the link at your link, featureless, we can turn off everything but those related to suicide.

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-polic ... fects.html

I did that with California and still got a 17% reduction. Go there and take out and add things to see how the stats play out.

CDF

I'm not opposed to properly implemented RFLs (you've discussed a pretty viable "panel" for review in the past). No fucking way due the reduce gun suicides by 17%. They just aren't used enough to make up such a high percentage, I don't believe. It would be interesting to know how many RFLs are actually issued in CA.

The truth of the matter is, unless you're a young black man, your odds of being murdered with a gun are vanishingly low, no matter how strict or loose the laws. That same population see no benefit from gun laws. If'n we want to reduce gun deaths, we're back to addressing root causes.