Re: Shooting at Apalachee High School in Winder, Georgia

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CNN reports the shooter is a 14 year old male. Unless you're carrying it, messing with it, or can see directly where it's stashed, lock up your guns.

update from press conference where thoughts and prayers were offered: the child will be charged with murder and will be tried as an adult.

Locking up unsupervised guns beats thoughts and prayers every time.

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From the press conference, watched on Agenda-Free TV:

An AR platform style rifle
Still investigating how he got the rifle
Prior investigation one year ago; "loner", "never talked to anyone"

Georgia does not have a safe storage law for guns. And Georgia does not have red flag laws.
https://atlantaciviccircle.org/2022/05/ ... -gun-laws/

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He was on police/FBI radar when he was 13 for threats. I expect we're gonna see another parent or parents in jail for letting their little darling have access to guns. This shit is sickening.
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As wino mentioned.
The FBI's Atlanta Division Wednesday night said that it had received threats last year involving then-13-year-old Colt Gray, the suspect in Wednesday's shooting at Apalachee High School. In May of 2023, the National Threat Operations Center received anonymous tips about online threats to commit a school shooting at an unidentified location and time, FBI Atlanta posted on X, formerly Twitter. The threats contained images of guns and the FBI determined that the posts originated in Georgia, specifically in Jackson County. The FBI turned over the evidence to the Jackson County Sheriff's office, which interviewed Gray and his father, who said that he had hunting guns in the house but Gray did not have 'unsupervised access' to them. There was no probable cause at the time for an arrest or additional law enforcement action, the post said. Jackson County alerted local schools for continued monitoring of the subject.

Apalachee High School is in Barrow County and not a part of Jackson County schools or any city schools within Jackson County. It is uncertain whether Gray attended a school in Jackson County before moving into the Barrow County School District. GBI Director Chris Hosey confirmed the FBI information during a 9 p.m. news conference. On Wednesday, Gray was identified by the GBI as the suspect who killed two teachers and two students while injuring nine others at Apalachee High School. The Jackson County Sheriff's Office responded on Facebook with a note from Sheriff Janis Mangum. "My phone is blowing up with messages from people about social media postings about other possible incidents. To my knowledge, there is not a list indicating any of this," the post read. "This is an ongoing investigation at Apalachee. Please be mindful of those who have been affected by this tragedy and continue to pray for all involved."
https://www.onlineathens.com/story/news ... 079736007/
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Clearly, root-cause mitigation would be one of two approaches to this problem. If mental health counseling were available and mandated, this tragedy may have been prevented. But root-cause mitigation strategies take time to implement. The second strategy that actually is short term is safe storage laws, which Georgia does not have. Since the child did not own the gun, then red flag laws would not apply. Yet we can detect where red flag and safe storage intersect, and it's short term: When a person in the house shows signs such as those shown when the shooter was 13, then an order could be made for the dad to securely store the guns. This does not infringe upon the dad's rights. Unless he's bearing it, it should be kept locked up. This works for me. Georgia, are you listening?

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Looking forward to daddy explaining how his son got his hands on a rifle considering he said in past son "did not have 'unsupervised access' to them". I'm guessing that was a misstatement.
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Predictably we are seeing multitudinous calls for bans on modern sporting rifles after this mass shooting. Perhaps some folks can see the value of our at-times rancorous discussion about arguing against such bans, eh.

tl;dr: While root-cause mitigation is the long term answer, making and enforcing age restrictions and the intersections between safe storage and red flag laws ostensibly could reduce these tragedies in the short term.

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It's all coming to bans, confiscation, buy backs (whatever that means) legislation, and limitations on what can be possessed by who at what age. We are deep into the sundown of the private ownership of specific firearms and the specifics will broaden as hardware bans and legislation fail to achieve the desired results. Like we won't vote out way out of this predicament, we can't legislate nor ban enough stuff to keep our children safe.

But we're gonna try. Of this I am certain.

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VodoundaVinci wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:21 pm It's all coming to bans, confiscation, buy backs (whatever that means) legislation, and limitations on what can be possessed by who at what age. We are deep into the sundown of the private ownership of specific firearms and the specifics will broaden as hardware bans and legislation fail to achieve the desired results. Like we won't vote out way out of this predicament, we can't legislate nor ban enough stuff to keep our children safe.

But we're gonna try. Of this I am certain.

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This like many underage shooting incidents are a failure to parent. A failure to recognize their child is trouble. Bans and restrictions won’t cure this, understanding and addressing the failures of parents will be more productive. The police gave a clear warning to the parents and they obviously failed to look into their child’s activities. This is more about parental negligence and failure to do what parents are expected to do. Punishing the gun owning community isn’t the answer.
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sikacz wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:17 pm
VodoundaVinci wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:21 pm It's all coming to bans, confiscation, buy backs (whatever that means) legislation, and limitations on what can be possessed by who at what age. We are deep into the sundown of the private ownership of specific firearms and the specifics will broaden as hardware bans and legislation fail to achieve the desired results. Like we won't vote out way out of this predicament, we can't legislate nor ban enough stuff to keep our children safe.

But we're gonna try. Of this I am certain.

VooDoo
This like many underage shooting incidents are a failure to parent. A failure to recognize their child is trouble. Bans and restrictions won’t cure this, understanding and addressing the failures of parents will be more productive. The police gave a clear warning to the parents and they obviously failed to look into their child’s activities. This is more about parental negligence and failure to do what parents are expected to do. Punishing the gun owning community isn’t the answer.
A failure to parent resulting in injury or death to others should be punishable. One man's failure to parent is another man's dead kid. Not the gun community, it's the perp who gets punished. "The gun community" is a Straw Man and thus worthless as a point.

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The man whose teen son is accused of killing four people at a Georgia high school asked a judge on Wednesday for protection from fellow inmates due to the “incalculable number of threats” he faces behind bars.

Colin Gray is being held without bail after he was arrested and booked on suspicion of second-degree murder and manslaughter, for allegedly allowing his son, Colt Gray, access to the weapon used in last week's bloodshed at Apalachee High School.

--snrp--

Massive news coverage and social media discussion of the case has led to an "incalculable number of threats against the Defendant" by inmates "calling for both harm and violence to befall the Defendant, and in some cases, even calling for the death of the Defendant," according to the attorneys.

--snrp--

“In fact, so many lives in the community of Barrow County have been touched in unfathomable ways, it would be reckless to assume there are NO inmates, either currently or in the near future, being housed in the Barrow County Detention, who wish to harm the Defendant."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ge ... rcna170794

There is a right way and a wrong way to do guns. Apparently the inmates have made their decisions.

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I think it's important to note that the shooter was stopped about 2 minutes after he started shooting by 2 resource officers that were at the school and confronted him with guns. The school had other security systems in place but that too is light on the details. Lots of coverage on the shooter, the family, arrest of the dad, of course the victims, but very little on how it was stopped.

ETA:
I don't have a link either, so this is "I read it on the internet" information.

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The two resource officers BK referred to above.
Two school resource officers helped bring the suspect in Wednesday’s deadly Apalachee High School shooting into custody. The two officers have extensive backgrounds in school threat training, and they’re being hailed as heroes. The accused Apalachee High School shooter used an AR-15 style semi-automatic rifle, according to police, but the school resource officers had only handguns. Officers Tanner Good and Brandon King have nearly 2,000 hours of law enforcement training combined.

Teacher Stephen Kreyenbuhl said the response from the officers was very fast, and he gave them credit for saving a lot of lives. “Response was very fast from our SROs, probably with a matter of, you know, probably 120 seconds after gunfire, the SROs responded to the individual and made sure that he was put into custody,” Kreyenbuhl said. Kreyenbuhl explained that every teacher in the school has a small digital card that allows them to alert administrators and authorities during emergency situations.

He said they press a button four times to get the administration involved and eight times to get law enforcement sent to the high school, alerting them that a physical threat is on campus. “I actually saw lockdown initiate before I even heard gunshots, so I had time to prepare,” Kreyenbuhl said. “Someone saw the threat even before he started to engage, so it’s almost like we knew before anything truly even happened - before lives were taken. It’s insane, the technology that we have access to.”
https://www.wrdw.com/2024/09/05/meet-li ... chee-high/

The lesson of Columbine was don't wait for SWAT, cops on the scene should try and neutralize the shooter(s).
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A Georgia grand jury indicted a father and son on murder and other charges Thursday in the mass shooting at Apalachee High School in Winder, Georgia, last month that left four people dead and another nine injured.

Colt Gray, 14, was indicted on a total of 55 counts, including four counts of felony and malice murder, plus aggravated assault and cruelty to children.

--snrps--

The case marks just the second time in America a parent has been charged in connection with a mass shooting by a minor, after Jennifer and James Crumbley, the parents of Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley, were found guilty of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 to 15 years in prison.

Investigators testified Wednesday that Colin Gray knew of his son’s deteriorating mental state and his fascination with campus shootings ahead of the rampage.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/17/us/colt- ... index.html

These charges are appropriate. The father was irresponsible.

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