I've mentioned on several occasions, as have others, that gun control is inherently racist. But it goes beyond that.

Seems people here, and at other places--basically any bunch of Lefties--are scared to death of Trump and "MAGA". They fear violence from the right-wingers, Charlottesville-style, if Trump gets reelected...and especially so if he doesn't. OK, I get it.

This is why every Liberal here should be armed, preferably with a semi-automatic rifle, or pistol, all with standard-capacity magazines (17-19 rounds for 9mm handguns, 30 rounds for Armalites and Kalashnikovs). I would suggest maybe 10 filled-up magazines at home, ready to rock if the need should arise. You think it can't happen in your area? I'm sure that's what the people of Charlottesville thought, too. Charlottesville isn't too far from where I live, folks.

Black people in Dallas, TX defended themselves from similar racists in 2015 when the right-winger White supremacists said they were going to show up, armed, in protest of a mosque in a predominately Black neighborhood. Indeed, somewhere between 10-20 such White supremacists showed up. They were met by about 150 fully-armed Black people, with shotguns, handguns, AR-15's, Kalashnikovs, and so on. The White supremacists slunk away pretty soon after that, and everyone went back to what they were doing previously.

Gun control might have prevented that sort of response.

Now, substitute "Black" in the above for "Liberal". Substitute "mosque" for "trendy latte/macchiato shop", with a parking lot full of Toyota Priuses or similar fuel-efficient cars.

This is another big reason why I oppose gun control and fully support Vermont Carry, a.k.a. Constitutional Carry. There should be no "Poll Tax" on a Constitutionally-enumerated right, ever.

Please have a look at the below post from another thread. It seems that I'm not alone, and I don't believe the K9s is "overreacting" at all.

K9s wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:53 pm

FlyGuy wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:15 pm It's a blast to shoot. Full disclosure though...I do have a Franklin Arms Binary Trigger on this as well, so...there's that.

I have spoken to several ex-military friends who agree that inches matter in close quarters. Not that I will ever be in that situation. I like it cause it it is easier to transport.

My favorite vehicle rifle is an AK74 with folding stock, so it is a small package. However, those Bulgarian AK74s are not so easy to find and replace. My Saiga AK74 is also not easy to replace. This 14.7" AR seemed like a most reasonable, well-made sub-$600 AR I could easily put together. I love the AK47 and 7.62x39, but I like 5.45 and 5.56 better.

After Charlottesville, I feel increasingly insecure. I guess I am overreacting, but arming up while prices are low is better than waiting.

I don’t understand why we are not telling harris that gun control is wrong and in order to get votes her policies need to change. People here that say we should vote for harris have you even made an effort to get her to change her position or are you just content?

Let's tell her what we want in return for our vote.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/vicepresident/

Here is a link to Gallup from March, featuring the top 14 issues for Americans. While "crime and violence" is number two, "guns" or anything relating there, does not exist.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/642887/inf ... cerns.aspx

CDF

sikacz wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 1:42 pm I don’t understand why we are not telling harris that gun control is wrong and in order to get votes her policies need to change. People here that say we should vote for harris have you even made an effort to get her to change her position or are you just content?

People can tell Harris, but she won't change because it would be a repudiation of her anti-gunner years as CA AG. And she doesn't want to piss off the Democratic Shadow Party and Bloomberg and his Ilk. This presidential election is so close that the only thing separating them is a sheet of paper covered in Vaseline. Each side hates the other one and they have no doubts that they're totally right and the devils on the other side are doomed to hell.

highdesert wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 4:45 pm

sikacz wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 1:42 pm I don’t understand why we are not telling harris that gun control is wrong and in order to get votes her policies need to change. People here that say we should vote for harris have you even made an effort to get her to change her position or are you just content?

People can tell Harris, but she won't change because it would be a repudiation of her anti-gunner years as CA AG. And she doesn't want to piss off the Democratic Shadow Party and Bloomberg and his Ilk. This presidential election is so close that the only thing separating them is a sheet of paper covered in Vaseline. Each side hates the other one and they have no doubts that they're totally right and the devils on the other side are doomed to hell.

Then she can f’ off. I’ll take four year of the orange ass rather than give approval to her assault weapon ban wet dream.

Freedom remains untidy.

CDF

CowboyT, I hear ya!

I've spent a number of my years not far from Charlottesville, too (lived in Staunton, just over the hill, for a few years), and have driven past it countless times traveling from my current home in Kentucky to my grandparents' place in Williamsburg. I'm not a religious person, but if I were, I would call the view from Afton Mountain "God's Country."

To the point of this thread: I live in Kentucky. The Electoral College ensures that how I vote for POTUS won't matter, because there are too many Kentuckians who hate progress (even many Appalachian folks, who have a history of knowing that "Big Bidness" has screwed them over for 175 years or more). Even so, I desperately want to vote FOR a POTUS candidate instead of having to vote against even worse people. Another Orange Spirochete term would be an utter disaster for the US and the world, and I cannot take even hearing his voice any more.

Freedom is indeed untidy. It requires people to stand up for their convictions. Sometimes that means suffering another term with a fool.

sikacz wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:36 pm Freedom is indeed untidy. It requires people to stand up for their convictions. Sometimes that means suffering another term with a fool.

I'd say, regardless of who wins, we'll be suffering at least another 4 years with a fool.

featureless wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:44 pm

sikacz wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:36 pm Freedom is indeed untidy. It requires people to stand up for their convictions. Sometimes that means suffering another term with a fool.

I'd say, regardless of who wins, we'll be suffering at least another 4 years with a fool.

And the fool who openly advocates for himself being a dictator and choosing his successor instead of allowing the plebeian folk to elect the next one is to be avoided.

I honestly think we can keep Harris from instituting a gun ban. If iDJT gets in office, all bets are off on whether any of us would survive to see the US actually vote for POTUS again. I'm that scared of what his supporters already in government would do. His first term was a rehearsal.

No, I'm not a fan of Harris, or Walz, even though they are the least bad set of options.

I want better options, but I am not going to get them this go-round.

featureless wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:44 pm

sikacz wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:36 pm Freedom is indeed untidy. It requires people to stand up for their convictions. Sometimes that means suffering another term with a fool.

I'd say, regardless of who wins, we'll be suffering at least another 4 years with a fool.

I put my trust in the mechanics of our constitution. It won’t be derailed by one fool. But our rights and ability to defend ourselves sure can be messed by a fool on a mission.

featureless wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:44 pm

sikacz wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:36 pm Freedom is indeed untidy. It requires people to stand up for their convictions. Sometimes that means suffering another term with a fool.

I'd say, regardless of who wins, we'll be suffering at least another 4 years with a fool.

Word. I don't see how we can send any messages about gun control (or any other issues) if we vote for them anyway. I want lots of things and will settle for almost anything *but* an Assault Weapons Ban. I believe Kamala and Co. can win only because she is not Trump. She *will* at least attempt to get another AWB passed and everyone who votes for her is voting for the destruction of our Rights. I'll take my chances against Trump's Authoritarian Agenda. I have no hope if we get a Federal Assault Weapons Ban like I am already suffering under in Illinois.

That'll be the "Spark". And it seems to all be coming true and soon to a Nation near you.

VooDoo

That guy is back? lol

That lass is back? LOL

CDF

She's not Trump.

Ylatkit wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:24 pm She's not Trump.

Indeed, she's even worse; she's Kamala Harris.

VodoundaVinci wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:36 pm

featureless wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:44 pm

sikacz wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:36 pm Freedom is indeed untidy. It requires people to stand up for their convictions. Sometimes that means suffering another term with a fool.

I'd say, regardless of who wins, we'll be suffering at least another 4 years with a fool.

Word. I don't see how we can send any messages about gun control (or any other issues) if we vote for them anyway. I want lots of things and will settle for almost anything *but* an Assault Weapons Ban. I believe Kamala and Co. can win only because she is not Trump. She *will* at least attempt to get another AWB passed and everyone who votes for her is voting for the destruction of our Rights. I'll take my chances against Trump's Authoritarian Agenda. I have no hope if we get a Federal Assault Weapons Ban like I am already suffering under in Illinois.

That'll be the "Spark". And it seems to all be coming true and soon to a Nation near you.

VooDoo

You're seeing the point of my OP. Armed, we can defend ourselves from tyranny, no matter who's in office. Disarmed, we're screwed, just like Tiananmen...again, no matter who's in office.

Marlene wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:37 pm That guy is back? lol

Trolling the waters? Think you'll catch anything?

He caught a few of the "I don't vote" crowd.

sikacz wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:24 pm

featureless wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:44 pm

sikacz wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:36 pm Freedom is indeed untidy. It requires people to stand up for their convictions. Sometimes that means suffering another term with a fool.

I'd say, regardless of who wins, we'll be suffering at least another 4 years with a fool.

I put my trust in the mechanics of our constitution. It won’t be derailed by one fool. But our rights and ability to defend ourselves sure can be messed by a fool on a mission.

Yup, it's an old document that's clunky in places, but it's served us well for the centuries we've been in existence. We have a strong system of laws and a strong court system. We'll survive another Trump administration if he's elected.

If we do get Trump...we should be armed.

If we do get Kamala...we should be armed.

Basically, no matter who we get...we should be armed. I don't see how any Liberals benefit from such stupidity as "assault weapons bans" or "magazine size limitations" and such. Remember, if the police can have it, we should be able to have it, too.

CowboyT wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:36 pm If we do get Trump...we should be armed.

If we do get Kamala...we should be armed.

Basically, no matter who we get...we should be armed. I don't see how any Liberals benefit from such stupidity as "assault weapons bans" or "magazine size limitations" and such. Remember, if the police can have it, we should be able to have it, too.

Yes, indeed.

I'm far enough left of the so-called "liberal elite" to pay attention to the reality that cops kill more people in extrajudicial (read: illegal) shootings than so-called mass shooters do. Every year. For several years (as far back as the data I've seen shows).

So, no, I don't trust cops. And because I don't trust cops, I don't want them to have anything I can't have.

That said, one of the few reasons I could get behind to force a person to surrender their right to have and hold and use firearms is Domestic Violence. If credible accusations of DV are brought, a careful look should be taken. If a person is adjudicated as a DV offender, that person should never be close to a firearm again. I recognize that this would force unemployment of over a third of the current police force in this country, and I'm okay with that.

Properly written and applied Red Flag laws save lives. I find it irresponsible to allow an adjudicated DV convict to have guns.

CDF

CDFingers wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:46 pm Properly written and applied Red Flag laws save lives. I find it irresponsible to allow an adjudicated DV convict to have guns.

CDF

Agreed except that I have absolutely no faith that "The System" currently in place has the ability or desire to implement "properly written" or fair Red Flag Laws. It's mostly an excuse to take more firearms from people of color, folks with less power, money, or control than the folks writing and enforcing those laws. It's another excuse to make Life more difficult for anyone who doesn't fit a social norm according to those in control in today's System.

I have lost faith in authority properly doing anything when it comes to legislation or enforcement. I'm having trouble giving up any more Rights until the System gets righted and it's not looking very good that that's going to happen any time soon.

VooDoo