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Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

1 by CowboyT
I know, she's "not Trump". But she may be just as bad...or worse.

During the 2020 Democrat Primary debate, Tulsi Gabbard addressed some problems with VP Kamala Harris's record as a prosecuting attorney in California, especially against brown-skinned people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1-CRrMDSLs

Turns out Ms. Gabbard is right. Here's just one of the cases where she doubled down on a wrongful prosecution; the guy was innocent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgjm6xPJeaA

Even Democracy Now! is worried about her. Yes, that's right, Democracy Now! is worried about her. Check it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6veTMpW2Cag

And this, folks, is why there is *NO WAY ON EARTH* that I can vote for her. She's a great example of what makes the Democrats so damned scary these days. Even if she's "not Trump", I cannot imagine how anyone "not White" could vote for her in light of this.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

2 by Ylatkit
I'm not white. She's not Trump.

It's okay, we're even. I cannot imagine why you support Trump.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

4 by sikacz
I’ve known about her past and her record isn’t something that would entice me to vote for her. Regardless of one’s background she’s not a slam dunk. I’m not sure she can backpedal enough to secure my vote. At the moment, I’m not inclined to vote for her.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

5 by Ylatkit
That's okay, sikacz. You're never going to vote for anyone who would run.
"When I have your wounded." -- Major Charles L. Kelly, callsign "Dustoff", refusing to acknowledge that an L.Z. was too hot, moments before being killed by a single shot, July 1st, 1964.

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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

6 by highdesert
I've said for years that I could not vote for Harris, long before she was VP or a US Senator. It's nothing new, I never hid it. Everyone has to decide for themselves who they'll vote for, I'm not politicking.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

7 by papajim2jordan
Fortunately we have a few months to think about it, discuss, cuss, fuss about it. I know I'll vote for someone, perhaps write in. I do like to read the opinions of others here as I think I learn a lot about what makes others tick.
Unfortunately, WV is so red It's Donald all the way here, but at least I can get out and talk to others at the local diner over some coffee afterwards.

Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

8 by sikacz
highdesert wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:11 pm I've said for years that I could not vote for Harris, long before she was VP or a US Senator. It's nothing new, I never hid it. Everyone has to decide for themselves who they'll vote for, I'm not politicking.
Exactly. I couldn’t and didn’t like her as a candidate when she ran for president before. Nothing has changed. I also said and thought she was a poor choice for a VP. Nothing changed there either. Dems keep giving the electorate the worst candidates, don’t expect enthusiasm from me. If a person likes her and her positions then vote for her.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

9 by sikacz
papajim2jordan wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:13 pm Fortunately we have a few months to think about it, discuss, cuss, fuss about it. I know I'll vote for someone, perhaps write in. I do like to read the opinions of others here as I think I learn a lot about what makes others tick.
Unfortunately, WV is so red It's Donald all the way here, but at least I can get out and talk to others at the local diner over some coffee afterwards.
Not a bad way to celebrate voting! My wife and I used to go for coffee after voting. I like the diner idea, just not too many diners anymore in my area.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

10 by sikacz
Here’s an example of why I couldn’t vote for harris.

https://www.wisn.com/article/kamala-har ... n/61678859
She also addressed two key issues relevant to the 2024 election: gun violence and abortion.

On gun violence, Harris emphasized the need for stricter gun control measures, including universal background checks and an assault weapons ban. She pledged to work towards ending gun violence and keeping communities safe.
Note these are not key issues for the majority of the electorate. These are key issues for biden and bloomie democrats.

As a side note I voted for Obama twice and was disappointed he didn’t even try for universal healthcare my main issue. Also on a side note, I have never in all my years of voting voted for a republican for president. Why should I, I’m a leftist liberal democratic socialist with a hint of green. Very few candidates speak my language.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

12 by BearPaws
I share your reasons for not voting for her, even as I note that she has grown a bit over the last ten years (I remember Obama growing to recognize some realities that were to the left of his prior stances, too). It can happen. I also think that Biden has made some things happen that I would not have expected him to even try ten years ago (and I'm still ticked off at him for how he treated Anita Hill...).

That said, since I live in Kentucky, the electoral votes of which will undoubtedly go toward the orange menace, how I vote at the top of the ticket won't make much difference.

How I vote down-ticket will matter. And I'll vote against every single Repulsican on my ballot. Every time. It's been a few decades since I started using the expression, "I'm not so much a Democrat as a vehement anti-Republican." Since the Democrats are largely not as far left as I am, I don't have a viable party to join.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

13 by CDFingers
California will vote for her.

She is of a younger generation from me. My son is at the tail end of the generation she's near the front of. He and she have a lot in common, and I don't know where it came from. This is really going to be an interesting three months, as in, 'may you live in interesting times.'

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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

14 by CDFingers
Well, I saw the clip of her gun position: UBC, Red Flag Laws, "Assault Weapon" ban.

on edit, of course California will lap that up like a kitten at milk. Whether it translates to votes in swing states is another matter. If she lets abortion push gun to the rear, then she will pick up votes.

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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

15 by VodoundaVinci
sikacz wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:15 pm
highdesert wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:11 pm I've said for years that I could not vote for Harris, long before she was VP or a US Senator. It's nothing new, I never hid it. Everyone has to decide for themselves who they'll vote for, I'm not politicking.
Exactly. I couldn’t and didn’t like her as a candidate when she ran for president before. Nothing has changed. I also said and thought she was a poor choice for a VP. Nothing changed there either. Dems keep giving the electorate the worst candidates, don’t expect enthusiasm from me. If a person likes her and her positions then vote for her.
*Nobody* wanted her in 2020 - she even dropped out early as literally she got no interest from potential voters in every credible poll. I was amazed when Biden selected her as VP - smacked very much of the typical collusion and "shenanigans" I have come to expect from the DNC.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/black- ... 024-07-23/
July 23 (Reuters) - Black Lives Matter demanded on Tuesday that the Democratic National Committee immediately host an informal, virtual snap primary across the country prior to the DNC convention in August, just hours after Vice President Kamala Harris secured enough delegates for the nomination.
In a statement, Black Lives Matter (BLM) called on Democratic party leaders to allow public participation in the nomination of the presidential candidate, instead of leaving it to the party delegates.

"The current political landscape is unprecedented, with President Biden stepping aside in a manner never seen before. This moment calls for decisive action to protect the integrity of our democracy and the voices of Black voters," BLM said.
The statement by Black Lives Matter, a decentralized political and racial justice movement that helped lead the global protests over police violence in 2020, interrupted a steady drumbeat of left-leaning voices and groups that have vowed to support Harris after Biden endorsed her on Sunday.
And here we go again. Democrats are picking the possible candidate(s) via some process that is not democratic. She's gone from no one wanting her to the Democrats candidate for POTUS without anyone voting for her. It's one of the reasons I'm not voting for Democrats anymore except maybe for local positions like dog catcher.

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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

17 by highdesert
Time is the issue, there is a little over 3 months until November 5th, less for states with early voting. There isn't the time for an open convention and Democrats haven't had one since 1968.
Very few delegates in Chicago have ever experienced one and their perfectly choreographed "coronation" could fall apart. In the media age, conventions are all about control.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

19 by VodoundaVinci
featureless wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:00 am Well, BLM isn't wrong. Fucking Dem party dipshits. Vote for us to save democracy while simultaneously destroying democracy.
My perspective exactly. Democratic Process in the Democrat Party? We don't need no stinkin' Democratic Process!

That said. I'm betting Harris' poll number rise consistently over the next few weeks - there are millions who just couldn't see Biden making it another 4 years but they are not gonna vote for Trump. Now they have an out. They can vote against Trump without voting for Biden or voting third party.

It's amazing to me that people wanna do the same old/same old and defer to history when there is no historical precedent for what is happening now. Yet still we cling voraciously to the same old/same old.

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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

21 by CowboyT
CDFingers wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:25 am Well, I saw the clip of her gun position: UBC, Red Flag Laws, "Assault Weapon" ban.

on edit, of course California will lap that up like a kitten at milk. Whether it translates to votes in swing states is another matter. If she lets abortion push gun to the rear, then she will pick up votes.

CDF
Sadly, I fear you're right about the kitten at milk. Too many Californians, it seems, are just fine with their rights being eviscerated, and that's a shame.

Here in Virginia, things are a bit different. Sure, abortion matters; the Bloomies showed that last year with his interference in our state legislature elections. But more than abortion rights matters out here, and I suspect that's the case in several other swing states. Out here, for example, Virginia is right next to "Chocolate City", a.k.a. Washington, DC. Her history of harsh prosecution against Black people is well known out here, and even a lot of Black women aren't too thrilled about VP Harris (many of them have Black sons, you see). A lot of Black men that I've met view her as basically a turncoat due to her history in California.

We'll just have to see how this plays out.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

23 by CDFingers
CowboyT wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 12:56 pm
CDFingers wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:25 am Well, I saw the clip of her gun position: UBC, Red Flag Laws, "Assault Weapon" ban.

on edit, of course California will lap that up like a kitten at milk. Whether it translates to votes in swing states is another matter. If she lets abortion push gun to the rear, then she will pick up votes.

CDF
Sadly, I fear you're right about the kitten at milk. Too many Californians, it seems, are just fine with their rights being eviscerated, and that's a shame.

--snrps--
California will lap up her proposed gun laws because we haven't fallen into the sea despite pretty much already having had all three until the latest Court decisions about "semi automatic rifles capable of accepting a detachable magazine." I think the UBC and Red Flag laws are easy sells. Banning a class of rifles is going to give her trouble. How much, remains to be seen.

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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

24 by CowboyT
Here's more, when she was CA Attorney General.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sCUrhgXjH4&t=962s

The short version: the 9th Circuit Court is basically excorciating the California DA's office for failing to prosecute some prosecutors in Riverside County who lied in court. The Circuit Court justices point out that Harris's office "fought tooth and nail" in court to preserve this lie by these Riverside prosecutors and their witness(es).

Apparently this video went viral at some point, and only after it had gone viral did she back off.

We may not want Trump as our President, but everyone here should be aghast at someone like Harris--who would do these things--being our President as well.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

25 by Eris
Just a friendly note that while talking about Harris' record is perfectly legitimate, let's not let this conversation devolve into insulting people over their choice to vote or not vote for any particular person. I hate to have to say this, but it's happened so many times in the past that I feel a need to be proactive here.
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