The absolute WORST Speaker in my life time has been voted out of office by 8 Republicans and all the Democrats because McCarthy refused to cut a deal with the Democrats when it was clear that he could not survive without them. Hakeem Jeffries was BRILLIANT at keeping the Democratic Caucus together!

Notice: The last two Republican Speakers who instigated impeachments of Democratic Presidents both lost their jobs!

Well… so much for my ideas about DC politics.

I’m genuinely surprised the House Dems decided to vote against him. Burned!!! For being a weasel. A most egotistical weasel at that!

Schadenfreude.

And another first for congress and Republicans. No sympathy for McCarthy, he's a spineless wimp. No doubt the next one will be a real peach.

Foolishly I wrote it on the wrong thread, but here is the correct thread.

The Speaker does not need to be a member of the House. This clears the way for the orange spirochete to get nominated. If the R's stick together, he would win there. Then all that needs be done is stochastic terrorists to kill Harris and Biden. Fuck that shit. Be careful out there.

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I'm sorry but who exactly is it that takes over for the Speaker of the House when the Speaker is away in court being tried for fraud or other issues?

Giggle snort.

sig230 wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:16 pm I'm sorry but who exactly is it that takes over for the Speaker of the House when the Speaker is away in court being tried for fraud or other issues?

Earlier I was watching the news about this and they said the Speaker Pro Tempore will be the acting Speaker. This is by law passed after 9/11.

Jack ass.

Of the 8 who voted against McCarthy, the only one of the "usual suspects" is Gaetz. No MTG or Boebert or Gosar...
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4236 ... -mccarthy/

Before McCarthy, Paul Ryan and John Boehner gave up because of the divisions among House Republicans. Nancy Pelosi didn't have an easy time herding her Democratic cats when she was speaker. The wings wag the parties.

They should start building from the center of each party and work out to get to a working majority to pass bills and let the wings wither. If this was Europe the parties would work out a coalition and perhaps rotate the speakership, but this is America and we'd never do anything as sensible as that.

highdesert wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:51 pm Of the 8 who voted against McCarthy, the only one of the "usual suspects" is Gaetz. No MTG or Boebert or Gosar...
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4236 ... -mccarthy/

Before McCarthy, Paul Ryan and John Boehner gave up because of the divisions among House Republicans. Nancy Pelosi didn't have an easy time herding her Democratic cats when she was speaker. The wings wag the parties.

They should start building from the center of each party and work out to get to a working majority to pass bills and let the wings wither. If this was Europe the parties would work out a coalition and perhaps rotate the speakership, but this is America and we'd never do anything as sensible as that.

But Ken Buck, Bob Good, and Andy Biggs were with Gaetz. Now there's a lot of noise in the Conference to move to expel Gaetz. Surely Dems would love to be rid of him. Takes 289 votes (since 2 seats are vacant) and more than 200 Dems would LOVE to, maybe all 212. Can 77 of the 210 who voted to keep Mc be found? Maybe. Most at least PRETEND they have the nation's best interest, but Gaetz says openly he has Trump's. Two traitors.

Cowards can get you killed. It is good that McCarthy, who is a coward of the first degree, is removed as Speaker of the House. House Republicans are utterly useless and neutered as this coup shows.

Fascinating how MTG or Boebert or Gosar did not go along to expel their mealy-mouthed Speaker . One gets the feeling that Gaetz himself may have just shot the GQP in the foot, handed something valuable to the Dems on a silver platter because of his own unquenching ego. It would be equally satisfying to see Gaetz expelled next by their own simply for being an insufferable twit.

A question for the policy wonks: is there anything the temporary speaker can't do that a sworn speaker can? if not, then it doesn't really matter if they can't agree on a speaker because Patrick McHenry just becomes the actual speaker in all but name, right? And does the concession McCarthy made that allows any one member to force a vote to remove the speaker apply to the temp as well? If McHenry refuses to shut down the government, can the goon squad force him out as well?

Nevermind, I found it.

"As speaker pro tempore, McHenry will only have the power to recess the House, adjourn the chamber and recognize nominations for the vacant speakership."

I guess they really do need to elect someone before they can do anything.

Greengunner wrote:A question for the policy wonks: is there anything the temporary speaker can't do that a sworn speaker can? if not, then it doesn't really matter if they can't agree on a speaker because Patrick McHenry just becomes the actual speaker in all but name, right? And does the concession McCarthy made that allows any one member to force a vote to remove the speaker apply to the temp as well? If McHenry refuses to shut down the government, can the goon squad force him out as well?

I’m not sure and I bet much of the house doesn’t know either, since it’s kind of uncharted territory.

Say what you want about Nancy Pelosi, but she ran a tight ship. Totally corralled her left flank and ruled by fear. Kevin McCarthybis a fat joke.


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My understanding is that, technically, a member of the minority party could become speaker of the house. Is it possible under the rules for there to be a vote where the republicans split between two candidates and every dem votes for Hakeem Jeffries and he becomes speaker?

Right-wing pundits and lawmakers are already rallying around the idea of former President Donald Trump as the next Speaker of the House following Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s shock ouster Tuesday.

Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, and even the far-right cable network Newsmax all floated the idea of Trump taking over the role Tuesday evening, just minutes after McCarthy’s ejection from House leadership.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-right ... se-speaker

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AlterCocker wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:24 pm My understanding is that, technically, a member of the minority party could become speaker of the house. Is it possible under the rules for there to be a vote where the republicans split between two candidates and every dem votes for Hakeem Jeffries and he becomes speaker?

From the New York Times:

There are 433 actively serving members of the House — 221 Republicans and 212 Democrats. If every last one of them shows up to vote “aye” or “nay,” the threshold for a victory for either side is 217.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/03/us/p ... 0is%20217.

Democrats don't have 217 votes unless some Republicans vote for Jeffries and that's not likely. There are 438 House seats if they're all filled, so normally 218 votes are required to elect a speaker. The party that can line up 217 votes elects a speaker and controls the chamber.

McCarthy is now saying he won't run for speaker again. Two names some talking head said might be able to win the speakership: Tom Cole of OK and Tom Emmer of MN. Steve Scalise who is the majority leader, in the past has said he didn't want the speakership. And IIRC he's undergoing cancer treatment.

It could be days and days of voting until a new speaker is elected. Not sure Donald Trump could ever get 217 votes, every House Republican isn't a Trumper. And electing Trump would mean the House would be manipulated by Trump for his benefit during the 2024 campaign and could become entangled in his legal troubles.

CDFingers wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:32 pm

Right-wing pundits and lawmakers are already rallying around the idea of former President Donald Trump as the next Speaker of the House following Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s shock ouster Tuesday.

Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, and even the far-right cable network Newsmax all floated the idea of Trump taking over the role Tuesday evening, just minutes after McCarthy’s ejection from House leadership.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-right ... se-speaker

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But there’s a big problem with the GOP plan to make Trump the first non-member to wield the gavel: Their own rules.

Rep. Sean Casten (D-Il.) gave his Republican colleagues a reminder of Rule 26, which was adopted in January and states that any GOP leader indicted of a felony with a potential prison sentence of 2 years or more needs to step aside:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-t ... 8c1894f1d2

Oooh, dats gotta hoit!

CDFingers

Seems like Rule 26, rules out a Trump election to the speakership. Some House Trumpers will want to repeal Rule 26, but that's not going to happen.

Says something about our elected officials, that they need written rules to tell them not to place a crook into high office.
I guess the electorate aren't much different.

The new Speaker kicked Pelosi and Hoyer out of their hidey hole offices. Le bag de douche.

CDFingers

Jim Jordan roasted after announcing run to replace McCarthy

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) threw his hat in the ring for the House Speaker position, unleashing a torrent of mockery and veiled jokes about accusations surrounding abuse allegations at Ohio State University.

On Tuesday, during the House floor fight against Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA), Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) attacked Jordan for his running of a Republicans’ investigation into the weaponization of government – calling it “failure theater."

But, despite the criticism of his role as chair of the House Judiciary Committee, Jordan announced Wednesday he was eyeing the speaker's role.

Great read for the comments being made about GYM Jordan. He still needs to get out and hit the showers.

Now Steve Scalise is saying that he's running for speaker, that's a change of heart.

As Scalise and Jordan enter the race, Oklahoma Rep. Kevin Hern, who chairs a conservative group known as the Republican Study Committee, said Wednesday he is still looking at running for speaker but has not made a decision yet. He said he wants the conference to “move forward” and they need to “be pointing our guns outward not at each other.”

With Scalise in the race for speaker, Rep. Tom Emmer, the current GOP whip is running for majority leader and he has endorsed Scalise for speaker. That would open up the whip’s spot. Potential contenders who are said to be interested for whip: Rep. Drew Ferguson of Georgia, who lost and ran last time, or Rep. Guy Reschenthaler of Pennsylvania, Emmer’s deputy. Reschenthaler confirmed on Wednesday he’s running for majority whip. House GOP Conference Chairwoman Elise Stefanik is also calling colleagues and allies about potentially moving up the chain in leadership, a source familiar said.

Scalise has experienced some serious health issues in recent years. In August, he revealed that he had been diagnosed with multiple myeloma. In September, Scalise told reporters that in response to treatment, his cancer “has dropped dramatically.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/politics ... index.html

Greengunner wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:02 pm Nevermind, I found it.

"As speaker pro tempore, McHenry will only have the power to recess the House, adjourn the chamber and recognize nominations for the vacant speakership."

I guess they really do need to elect someone before they can do anything.

Yet he has already exceeded his power when he ordered Pelosi and Hoyer evicted from their offices, a courtesy traditionally granted to the minority party's former leaders. Just another stupid Trumpian meanness that will backfire on them.

Well, of course he over reached. He's a Repub. Anyone note the gavel slam? hehe

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