The US Senate controversy over what's acceptable dress in the chamber.

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Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) the majority leader recently relaxed Senate rules on what's acceptable dress and it's created controversy on both sides of the isle. It appears to have been made to allow Sen John Fetterman (D-PA) to wear shorts or sweats in the chamber.
The Senate's new casual dress code appears to be hanging on by a thread. At least three Democrats are now openly criticizing Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer's (D-N.Y.) directive to discard the 100-member chamber's requirement for business attire — and with 47 Republicans stiffly opposed, the new code could be in jeopardy. Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.) — who often has worn more casual clothes since returning to the Senate this spring after being treated for depression — presided over the Senate in a short-sleeve shirt on Wednesday. That appearance offended some old-school Senate stalwarts in both parties and fueled some behind-the-scenes grumbling among Schumer and Fetterman's fellow Democrats, according to several senators and aides. Those private misgivings burst into public Thursday when Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said, "We need to have standards when it comes to what we're wearing on the floor of the Senate." "And we're in the process of discussing that right now as to what those standards will be," Durbin said on SiriusXM's POTUS channel.

Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W. Va) and Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.) who already were opposed. "I don't like it," Kelly said flatly on CNN Wednesday. Manchin plans to "file a bipartisan resolution to ensure the Senate dress code remains consistent with previous expectations," according to a spokesperson. Manchin's effort to get signatures on his proposal is gaining momentum, according to Senate aides. He has told Fetterman he's opposed to the changes. On the Republican side, 46 GOP senators wrote to Schumer, asking him to reverse his decision. Sen. Katie Britt (R-Ala.) also said she was opposed but preferred to resolve the issue in private. Even among Democrats who publicly dismissed the controversy as a Republican distraction, most said they'd stick to wearing business attire on the Senate floor — and said they'd require their staffs to do the same. "I am not going to change what I'm doing, I will just tell you that,"

Democratic Sen. Jon Tester, a Montana farmer, told Axios. "My personal opinion is, you got to dress respectfully." He will still demand that his staffers "dress good," he said. "It's part of the deal." Schumer's office declined to comment. Fetterman appeared to relish taunting Republicans with his new freedom. "If those jagoffs [sic] in the House stop trying to shut our government down, and fully support Ukraine, then I will save democracy by wearing a suit on the Senate floor next week," Fetterman said in a statement. "It's all irrelevant and silly," Fetterman told Axios. "They don't want to talk about the real issues because they have indefensible positions." "They want to talk about, you know, that I dress like a slob."
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Sen John Fetterman walking to the Senate chamber.


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After what turd did to destroy the decorum of the presidency, this is not even a trickle of importance. Besides, I was so looking forward to seeing Ted Cruz in a speedo or Susan Collins in a bikini !! JFC !! what a thought!!
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Wino wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:21 pm After what turd did to destroy the decorum of the presidency, this is not even a trickle of importance. Besides, I was so looking forward to seeing Ted Cruz in a speedo or Susan Collins in a bikini !! JFC !! what a thought!!
Cruz left his speedo in Cancun. He might look good in Susan Collin’s bikini or Boebert’s G-String.
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Wino wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:21 pm After what turd did to destroy the decorum of the presidency, this is not even a trickle of importance. Besides, I was so looking forward to seeing Ted Cruz in a speedo or Susan Collins in a bikini !! JFC !! what a thought!!
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CDFingers wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:10 am They want everyone fighting a culture war so we won't notice we're fighting a class war.

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Sort of , but somehow I don’t identify with a self centered millionaire that wants to dress for beach. In the class war very few actually represent the side I’m on. The main players are all wealthy elites. I think that’s what they don’t want us to notice. They want us to think a million that runs around in shorts and a hoodie somehow represents the working class or such. That to me is ridiculous. It’s as ridiculous as the proposition that the orange one represents the disadvantages overlooked masses or biden represents the working class. Both are fabrications to keep the common folk from uniting and realizing the main players are frankly playing us.
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sikacz wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:12 am
CDFingers wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:10 am They want everyone fighting a culture war so we won't notice we're fighting a class war.

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Sort of , but somehow I don’t identify with a self centered millionaire that wants to dress for beach. In the class war very few actually represent the side I’m on. The main players are all wealthy elites. I think that’s what they don’t want us to notice. They want us to think a million that runs around in shorts and a hoodie somehow represents the working class or such. That to me is ridiculous. It’s as ridiculous as the proposition that the orange one represents the disadvantages overlooked masses or Biden represents the working class. Both are fabrications to keep the common folk from uniting and realizing the main players are frankly playing us.
Yup it's one of those nagging issues, not in the same category as abortion but just another issue that the political parties will argue over. Fetterman has apparently always worn hoodies, sweat pants or shorts to work as an elected official (city mayor and PA Lt Gov) and yes it's his blatant appeal to working class voters. He has three academic degrees, one of them from Harvard and he tends to wear Carhartt which isn't cheap, not very working class. The complaining is bipartisan now so Schumer might have to back off.
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highdesert wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:54 am
sikacz wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:12 am
CDFingers wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:10 am They want everyone fighting a culture war so we won't notice we're fighting a class war.

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Sort of , but somehow I don’t identify with a self centered millionaire that wants to dress for beach. In the class war very few actually represent the side I’m on. The main players are all wealthy elites. I think that’s what they don’t want us to notice. They want us to think a million that runs around in shorts and a hoodie somehow represents the working class or such. That to me is ridiculous. It’s as ridiculous as the proposition that the orange one represents the disadvantages overlooked masses or Biden represents the working class. Both are fabrications to keep the common folk from uniting and realizing the main players are frankly playing us.
Yup it's one of those nagging issues, not in the same category as abortion but just another issue that the political parties will argue over. Fetterman has apparently always worn hoodies, sweat pants or shorts to work as an elected official (city mayor and PA Lt Gov) and yes it's his blatant appeal to working class voters. He has three academic degrees, one of them from Harvard and he tends to wear Carhartt which isn't cheap, not very working class. The complaining is bipartisan now so Schumer might have to back off.
Yeah, pathetic that it’s being framed as a working class issue. It’s all so superficial including as you noted the working class look made by an elite clothing manufacturer. Another rich elite playing a game and scoring points. There’s nothing here for any of us.
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The upper class, who owns the media, makes us think that it's people's dress we need to argue about rather than the monumental disparities in income. When we compare CEO salaries from the sixties to now we see the one percent gets most of it. They tell us that people who dress funny need to be argued about rather than obscenely wealthy media owners telling the lower percents what to argue about.

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INVICTVS138 wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:02 pm
CDFingers wrote:They want everyone fighting a culture war so we won't notice we're fighting a class war.

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The US Senate has passed a resolution formalizing business attire as the proper dress code for the floor of the chamber by unanimous consent. This comes after Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer chose to stop enforcing the unwritten requirement, and Democratic Sen. John Fetterman’s casual dress became a flashpoint in the Capitol. The bipartisan bill from Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Utah Republican Sen. Mitt Romney requires that members abide by a real dress code – rather than an unwritten custom – when on the Senate floor, that includes a coat, tie, and slacks for men.

“Though we’ve never had an official dress code, the events over the past week have made us all feel as though formalizing one is the right path forward,” Schumer said. “I deeply appreciate Senator Fetterman working with me to come to an agreement that we all find acceptable, and of course I appreciate Sen. Manchin and Sen. Romney’s leadership on this issue.” Before the measure passed, Fetterman told CNN’s Manu Raju that he would wear business attire when presiding over the Senate floor.
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Well, there is a certain decorum that should be present in the halls of government. It's like when I was in the military; back then, we never wore our fatigue uniforms off-base; those were for work, and generally the kind of work where you get dirty. If you were in a blue-collar office, you generally wore Class A's on base. And if you were off-base, you always wore your Class A's; fatigue uniforms were verboten off-base unless it was an emergency. See, Class A's are generally the "proper business dress" of the military. This was to project that professional image for those who we were sworn to protect, i. e. the American people, and it was a matter of respect for the institution.

Same idea here. This is government. This is where laws are made. A certain respect for the office is called for, and that means proper business dress. For civilian institutions, that means at least a sport jacket, slacks, and tie if you're a man, and the equivalent female dress (slacks or skirt) if you're a woman. This clown needs to get off of his doggone high-horse, especially since he's a millionaire, and get into proper dress for the job that he holds now. Far as I'm concerned, he's a classless horse's backside for this. Just...no class. Gabby Giffords, after her tragic injury, suited up properly, so if she can do it, so can this Fetterman clown.

Would Schumer have relaxed the rules had Fetterman not been a Democrat? Hmmm....I kinda doubt it. Think about that, folks.
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I agree with CT in that a certain mode of dress indicates the type of work you're going to do. Suit and tie helps to create the illusion of legitimacy with respect to accepting that these folks can "make law." Yet we know that laws mostly work only on law abiding people, that if some guy wants to shoot up a school, he'll do it.

Disclaimer: you can't shoot someone if you're eating tacos, which is a two handed proposition.

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