Family members die in Colorado winter trying to get away from society! So sad.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canad ... 5iyvj_AwBE

Kinda parallel to the story, “Into Thin Air.”

Americans are naïve in believing that willpower alone can get you through tough times. —Nope. Ghad and Nature really don’t care how hard you try.

Into Thin Air is the Everest one. You're thinking Into the Wild. Both Krakauer.

The Grid. Don't leave home without it.

Charles P. Steinmetz

They picked a bad year to start off as there was like 20 feet of snow this year.

tonguengroover wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:33 am They picked a bad year to start off as there was like 20 feet of snow this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm8fYf53SMg

I studied survival techniques until I could open a beer bottle seven different ways including with a pine cone. then I dropped out.

On a serious note, what were they thinking?

CDFingers

Sad. Very sad. I understand the impulse to check out of society. I contemplate it regularly. But I'm smart enough to know I'm not smart enough.

Yes tragic, people follow some crazy conspiracies about dropping off the grid and being totally self sufficient. Maybe Bear Grylls could do it but I doubt many can.

Gold Creek Campground is pretty remote. Someone's already cracking jokes about the family on Google Maps.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gold+ ... &entry=ttu

Saw the story when they first found the bodies but didn't have an ID yet, wondered if it was a situation like this. I'm not surprised that it was an unprepared family from the Springs, but I am surprised that it was two middle aged women and a teen. I guess I expected that level of foolhardiness from grown-ass men. Winter storms can come on very fast and very hard up there - but they were only a few miles from Ohio City, a few more from US 50. If they had known better, they could have hiked out in less than a day. Then again, the snow got Julian Sands too, and he did know better.

Could happen to any of us. When the weather is kind, if food and water are at hand, and the lion sleeps… even an old fart like myself could do it.

Last year in California, a heavy snowstorm trapped people in grid connected homes for days and days. Floods, tornadoes, earthquakes, fires, faulty building collapse, happen to grid connected structures. It helps to have help.

Lack of knowledge and understanding about where the were going, and of their own limitations, placed them in that spot. What motivated them? You tell me. What killed them was isolation from community. Yes, the weather was unkind, but bad weather hits large cities too. There’s a pretty good reason people live together in groups. The safety it provides, along with all the other goodies like… The Grid, far outweigh the negatives.

They might as well have been on an ocean liner, far out to sea, taking on a bit of water. Instead of grabbing a bucket, they chose to jump overboard.

Winter on the top of a mountain, will kill you dead. Even the well prepared and well trained would have difficulty in that scenario.


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I'm pretty sure I have actually camped at that site. Which is to say, if I did, it was still closed for the season in May, and I camped outside the locked gate rather than work my way back to the highway and find an alternative after sunset. I've spent enough time camping in Colorado to know that the snow line can still be at 11,000 feet in June.

INVICTVS138 wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:59 pm Winter on the top of a mountain, will kill you dead. Even the well prepared and well trained would have difficulty in that scenario.

It never surprises me to learn that naïve City-folks ignore the primary rule that all experienced traditional tribal cultures living in nature know: without a strong community and support network, the individual is destined to die of starvation and cold during wintertime. Ostracism has traditionally been more than mere bad feelings of being cast out from the group for us human beings. Oftentimes it was in fact a death sentence.

About the size of a large lighter.

https://www.acrartex.com/products/rescueme-plb1/

I like watching Alaskan survivalist shows like Life Below Zero or Outlast on netflix. Gives you a good idea of what you'll be up against. And even those people help each other.
https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/out ... -rcna69436
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/tv/s ... below-zero

tonguengroover wrote:I like watching Alaskan survivalist shows like Life Below Zero or Outlast on netflix. Gives you a good idea of what you'll be up against. And even those people help each other.
https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/out ... -rcna69436
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/tv/s ... below-zero

I watch life below zero & Alone.

Life below zero shows you how difficult it is to homestead In extremely remote/hostile places often every non-natural resource having to be brought in by expensive plane flights. Not for me.


“Alone” shows you how hard it is for even seasoned survival instructors to procure food in the untamed environment; by one’s self . Very much shows you why hunter gathers required a whole group to divide up labor and share risk, & cover more territory in search of wild resources.


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INVICTVS138 wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:07 pm

tonguengroover wrote:I like watching Alaskan survivalist shows like Life Below Zero or Outlast on netflix. Gives you a good idea of what you'll be up against. And even those people help each other.
https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/out ... -rcna69436
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/tv/s ... below-zero

I watch life below zero & Alone.

Life below zero shows you how difficult it is to homestead In extremely remote/hostile places often every non-natural resource having to be brought in by expensive plane flights. Not for me.


“Alone” shows you how hard it is for even seasoned survival instructors to procure food in the untamed environment; by one’s self . Very much shows you why hunter gathers required a whole group to divide up labor and share risk, & cover more territory in search of wild resources.


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Gotta have a gas powered Log saw to make yer lumber and skin your sides of your logs to build a cabin. Then just watching them drag around logs makes me tired. lol
You need to know how to hunt, trap, fish and forage, have water and heat or youra gonner.

I've taken desert survival courses and having already known most of it cus I grew up in there desert does not make me confident I could last forever out there. I could last longer than most thats for sure. The desert will kill you in a matter of hours.