https://www.phila.gov/media/20230705163 ... -Final.pdf

Some of the language used in the complaint appears to have been adopted from 2021R-05F, recently vacated by US District Court judge Reed O’Connor in VanDerStok v. Garland (viewtopic.php?p=895471#p895471).

2021R-05F:
https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... f-firearms

These assholes needs to get a life.

sikacz wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:31 pm These assholes needs to get a life.

This is their life....

After reading parts of the complaint I would subpoena firearms experts at the ATF and Philly police department. "As an expert, in your official capacity, are these firearms?".

Hell, just depose them first.

BKinzey wrote:After reading parts of the complaint I would subpoena firearms experts at the ATF and Philly police department. "As an expert, in your official capacity, are these firearms?".

Hell, just depose them first.

2021R-05F, despite being vacated by a US District Court judge, is now policy of at ATF. So their official position is items that are not frames or receivers are now frames or receivers even though those items do not meet the definition of firearms per GCA'68. Thus, the ATF "expert" would claim they are firearms.

The Philly PD "expert" likely would have no idea what a firearm is per GCA'68 and, being part of a big city LEA, would testify anything put in front of him or her that resembles a firearm in any way is a firearm.

It's an attempt by the City of Philadelphia and Giffords to do an end run around the PA legislature, file a civil lawsuit. They should be lobbying the legislature but they know a bill banning Polymer80s likely would not pass - Democrats have a one vote majority in the state house and Republicans have a six vote majority in the state senate.

highdesert wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 8:04 am It's an attempt by the City of Philadelphia and Giffords to do an end run around the PA legislature, file a civil lawsuit. They should be lobbying the legislature but they know a bill banning Polymer80s likely would not pass - Democrats have a one vote majority in the state house and Republicans have a six vote majority in the state senate.

It’s vindictive of me, but I hope the dems loose that majority. They certainly need to learn a lesson on what priorities should be. I doubt this is an issue that needs resolving.

sikacz wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:12 am

highdesert wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 8:04 am It's an attempt by the City of Philadelphia and Giffords to do an end run around the PA legislature, file a civil lawsuit. They should be lobbying the legislature but they know a bill banning Polymer80s likely would not pass - Democrats have a one vote majority in the state house and Republicans have a six vote majority in the state senate.

It’s vindictive of me, but I hope the dems loose that majority. They certainly need to learn a lesson on what priorities should be. I doubt this is an issue that needs resolving.

Yes Philly and Giffords are playing the typical American political response, blame the other party and claim victimhood. I'm surprised that Everytown and Moms aren't part of this lawsuit, I expected they'll file lengthy amici curiae briefs.

I would ask the ATF this: Can this object as it sits here fire a bullet? Then after he says no ask: Can this screw as it sits fire a bullet? Then ask: How is it the ATF can call any random object a gun? It's like saying a blank metal rod a rifle barrel.

tonguengroover wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:39 am I would ask the ATF this: Can this object as it sits here fire a bullet? Then after he says no ask: Can this screw as it sits fire a bullet? Then ask: How is it the ATF can call any random object a gun? It's like saying a blank metal rod a rifle barrel.

But, they would say it could become one. Like TOS could become a great and honest person.

Polymer80 apparently did not survive that $1.2 million settlement. No more of their frames for Glocks, I guess.

BKinzey wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:07 am

sikacz wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:31 pm These assholes needs to get a life.

This is their life....

And that's the way they like it!

sikacz wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:12 am It’s vindictive of me, but I hope the dems loose that majority. ...

Don't feel bad, Donald Trump operates on a spirit of vindictiveness, too, and he made it to the Oval Office.

"When setting out for revenge, first dig two graves." --Brutus or Confucius, one.

CDF