You’d have to be pretty thick or brainwashed by a certain party to not see it.rascally wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:23 pm Might explain why the compliance rate has been so low, others can see it too...
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127There are registries of vehicles and of houses and of motorcycles and of boats and of planes and of telephone lines and of businesses and of drivers but no plans or attempts to confiscate
To be vintage it must be older than me!
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128Was in my LGS and talking to folks - luckily we are on the border with Iowa. Every guy in the room (1/2 a dozen or more) has moved his stuff to Iowa and not registered. I suspect an awful lot of Illini have moved their "Assault Weapons" out of State. Which is fine with the Governor and ISP. Long as we can't get to them in Illinois they don't care. They want US disarmed. Scares the crap out of me.....why? What's coming that you need to trash the Constitution to make sure I'm disarmed?
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129JB Pritzker has protection from the Illinois State Police while he's governor and he's a billionaire. Pritzker will always have security just like Michael Bloomberg, two of the many billionaires trying to disarm Americans. 2A self defense isn't important to them because it doesn't affect them.
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130Agree. I would like to see all government police and secret service protections to stop once someone is no longer in office, including protections for family members. Need to let people who propose and sign these laws to live under them. Yes, billionaires will still be able to buy protection, but that detail should have the same constraints that those laws call for.highdesert wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:04 am JB Pritzker has protection from the Illinois State Police while he's governor and he's a billionaire. Pritzker will always have security just like Michael Bloomberg, two of the many billionaires trying to disarm Americans. 2A self defense isn't important to them because it doesn't affect them.
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1324 Separate petitions to SCOTUS (3 from Illinois!) to get a ruling on Assault Weapons Bans,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BduZtUbikI
Bet me that SCOTUS won't hear them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BduZtUbikI
Bet me that SCOTUS won't hear them.
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133The two cases were consolidated and the 7th Circuit upheld the Illinois ban. Now it's up to SCOTUS if the case has enough national significance and they'll look to see how other circuits have ruled. It takes the vote of 4 justices to hear a case and 5 to win. Barrett sat on the 7th Circuit and oversees that circuit.
https://capitolnewsillinois.com/NEWS/gu ... eapons-ban
The NAGR and FPC websites should have updates on the cases.
https://capitolnewsillinois.com/NEWS/gu ... eapons-ban
The NAGR and FPC websites should have updates on the cases.
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134In Barnett v. Raoul, several amicus briefs have been filed in support of the petitioners this month:
Illinois Sheriffs' Association:
https://michellawyers.com/wp-content/up ... ioners.pdf
26 state AGs:
https://michellawyers.com/wp-content/up ... ioners.pdf
The Buckeye Institute:
https://michellawyers.com/wp-content/up ... ioners.pdf
The American Firearms Association:
https://michellawyers.com/wp-content/up ... ioners.pdf
Illinois Sheriffs' Association:
https://michellawyers.com/wp-content/up ... ioners.pdf
26 state AGs:
https://michellawyers.com/wp-content/up ... ioners.pdf
The Buckeye Institute:
https://michellawyers.com/wp-content/up ... ioners.pdf
The American Firearms Association:
https://michellawyers.com/wp-content/up ... ioners.pdf
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135Really liked reading the brief from the 26 state AG's. In part:
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Gives hope that the SCOTUS will hear this case and interject some sanity back into the discussion. The 7th circuit court of appeals "redefined" the so called "assault weapons" saying they are not protected by the 2A. Let's hope the SCOTUS sets a precedent for this type of foolishness.INTERESTS OF AMICI CURIAE
The States of Idaho, Indiana, Alabama, Alaska,
Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky,
Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana,
Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Ohio,
Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas,
Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming, and the
Arizona and Wisconsin Legislatures respectfully
submit this brief as amici curiae in support of
petitioners.1 Amici respect the people’s right to keep
and bear arms, which is “necessary to the security of
a free State.” U.S. CONST. amend. II. Particularly
today, when crime too often goes unchecked, lawabiding citizens need the ability to arm and defend
themselves. They should not be deprived of commonly
used firearms for that purpose.
Although this Court has repeatedly made clear
that the Second Amendment’s protections must be
enforced according to their terms, the Seventh
Circuit’s approach defies the Second Amendment’s
“‘unqualified command.’” New York State Rifle &
Pistol Ass’n, Inc. v. Bruen, 597 U.S. 1, 32 (2022). Its
decision injects confusion into the law by saying that
firearms and magazines used by many Americans are
not really “Arms” and so may be banned without the
government having to provide any further justification. Its decision permits Illinois to infringe the rights
of countless law-abiding citizens. And its decision
impacts businesses in other States that can no longer
sell the hundreds of types of firearms Illinois bans.
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136I would think my the nature of the arms, an assault rifle would exactly be something covered under the second amendment. However, I’d be glad to just keep my semiautomatic rifles without some fabricated nonsense banning them as “assault weapons “.
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137Tyrants disarm the people they intend to oppress. Hope is not a Plan.
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138Just like in the SCOTUS with Justices Thomas and Alito as prime examples. Also appointed Judges that are beholden to those that appointed them such as the loose Cannon in Florida or gave them big contributions that got them elected.sikacz wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:32 amAgree, it definitely bothers me that compromised judges can’t be removed.VodoundaVinci wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:30 am It bothers me that people in Illinois (and elsewhere) will look at blatant bribery and shrug their shoulders. It bothers me even more that *no one* will prosecute this. It's seemingly perfectly acceptable. One more reason I fear that this Republic has jumped the shark. When politicians can buy/bribe Supreme Court Judges there can be no Justice nor fairness, can there?
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139Greg Bishop at "Bishop on Air". 11 minutes. This is worth watching and following even if one is not concerned with Illinois politics because the Protect Illinois Communities Act (PICA) seems to be the standard that a Federal ban may use when Biden and crew decide to further the assault weapons ban Joe said he was demanding at the state of the union address.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dSUswLr3wU&t=304s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dSUswLr3wU&t=304s
VooDooBishop reviews recent filings from 29 states and the Illinois Sheriffs’ Association to the U.S. Supreme Court asking they intervene in the challenge against Illinois’ gun and magazine ban.
This, as the Southern District of Illinois continues forward with the challenge on the merits.
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140For those here that keep saying bans won’t occur at the federal level, what pisses me off is that dems are making the AWB a major push in the campaign. There are other issues that are more important and they are totally ignored. Even if it doesn’t occur, it’s that if given the opportunity the dems would welcome and support it. All at the expense of issues I and others hold more dear and more needed. The number of deaths associated with perpetrators using guns and the incidents of mass shooting are minuscule compared to the needs of the general public on many other issues. Dropping suicides out gun related deaths are around 26k and FBI statistics on mass shootings slightly over a 100. Definitions of course are debated and the anti gun groups love to inflate the mass shooting numbers seven fold. Even at that number, the amount of political capital and time is not justified to push for an AWB or any restrictions to a constitutional right to bear arms. It’s ludicrous and absurd that biden and dems want to push an agenda that solves little to nothing. It will not address a real issue, which is the underlying causes of violence in our society. All it will do is criminalize those that cannot afford to jump through the hoops and will ultimately leave those with the most need defenseless. Good job dems.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... n-the-u-s/
Good read on the pew research link above.
Since so many love to call on regulation and use cars as an example, here’s deaths in motor vehicles for comparison.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyamohn/ ... efdc6f29b3
Way over 40K last year.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... n-the-u-s/
Good read on the pew research link above.
Since so many love to call on regulation and use cars as an example, here’s deaths in motor vehicles for comparison.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyamohn/ ... efdc6f29b3
Way over 40K last year.
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141Just to say that while I am a passionate anti Democrat now because of their platform, the gun issue is not number on for me. The fact that even trying to fix our pathetic health care system is "off the table" with Bidens Democrats is my number one beef.
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142I have plenty of beefs with the dems including universal healthcare, but this is The Liberal Gun Club forum and a second amendment supporting group. It’s really the only reason I discuss it so much. The dems have made it a main piece of their political drive this cycle, more than in previous years. It is a huge issue for me personally for reasons I’m not going to go into on an open forum, but it is certainly not my only issue. The dems handling on many issues highlighted in the poll thread pretty much show the areas I disapprove of the biden administration and the dems. It would be a hard fix to turn my perspective on the dems at this point. No I’m not voting for trump either.VodoundaVinci wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:30 pm Just to say that while I am a passionate anti Democrat now because of their platform, the gun issue is not number on for me. The fact that even trying to fix our pathetic health care system is "off the table" with Bidens Democrats is my number one beef.
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143Contrasting US gun death rates in states (Pew link) and poverty in states (Census Bureau) shows some correlations.



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144Seems clear that poverty is somehow associated with firearm deaths. Just pass laws against being poor and the problem is solved.
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145Or against being a black male. That's the real shits of the Dems approach. It totally ignores the suffering and inequality of the black community who represents the great majority of firearm homicide, blames the assault weapons that are so rarely used in day to day homicides and wipes their hands. I find this scapegoating even more infuriating that the actual infringement.jc57 wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:04 pm Seems clear that poverty is somehow associated with firearm deaths. Just pass laws against being poor and the problem is solved.
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146https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0oHC9NHqSc
If you start watching this at 3:00 (where the meat and potatoes start) you'll have 7 minutes invested and understand that the "Assault Weapons" ban has has already been ruled on via Heller and Bruen by SCOTUS. I's already settled but the States and Courts are *IGNORING* SCOTUS.
I'm certain it is merely a simple mistake.
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If you start watching this at 3:00 (where the meat and potatoes start) you'll have 7 minutes invested and understand that the "Assault Weapons" ban has has already been ruled on via Heller and Bruen by SCOTUS. I's already settled but the States and Courts are *IGNORING* SCOTUS.
I'm certain it is merely a simple mistake.
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147Harrel v. Raoul
On cross during the trial in the US District Court for the Southern District of Illinois, the Illinois'/Everytown's expert witness in the fight to preserve the Democrats' "assault weapons" ban, Jason Dempsey of CNAS, claimed to own an AR15 and standard-capacity mags. He also stated he is not in favor of the ban but is instead for compulsory training. He also has some weird ideas about what AR15s are and what assault rifles should be.
Michigan Firearms Association guy gives his version of events:
Article on the federal trial:
https://capitolnewsillinois.com/news/st ... apons-ban/
On cross during the trial in the US District Court for the Southern District of Illinois, the Illinois'/Everytown's expert witness in the fight to preserve the Democrats' "assault weapons" ban, Jason Dempsey of CNAS, claimed to own an AR15 and standard-capacity mags. He also stated he is not in favor of the ban but is instead for compulsory training. He also has some weird ideas about what AR15s are and what assault rifles should be.
Michigan Firearms Association guy gives his version of events:
Article on the federal trial:
https://capitolnewsillinois.com/news/st ... apons-ban/
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148Barnett v. Raoul (Consolidated)
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firear ... PINION.pdf
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firear ... PINION.pdf
For the reasons set forth above, the Government’s Motion for Partial Summary
Judgment on the Langley Plaintiffs’ Counts IV and VI (Doc. 220) is GRANTED.
Most importantly, considering all of the evidence presented, the Court holds
that the provisions of PICA criminalizing the knowing possession of specific
semiautomatic rifles, shotguns, magazines, and attachments are unconstitutional
under the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution as applied to the
states by the Fourteenth Amendment. Therefore, the Plaintiffs’ request for a
permanent injunction is GRANTED. The State of Illinois is hereby ENJOINED
from the enforcement of PICA’s criminal penalties in accordance with 720 ILL. COMP.
STAT. §§ 5/24-1(a)(14)–(16) (bump stocks and assault weapons); 5/24-1.9(a)–(h)
(assault weapons and attachments); and 5/24-1.10(a)–(h) (large-capacity magazines)
against all Illinois citizens, effective immediately. As the prohibition of firearms is
unconstitutional, so is the registration scheme for assault weapons, attachments, and
large-capacity magazines. Therefore, the State of Illinois is ENJOINED from
enforcing the firearm registration requirements and penalties associated with
entering false information on the endorsement affidavit for non-exempt weapons,
magazines, and attachments previously required to be registered in accordance with
430 ILL. COMP. STAT. 65/4.1. This permanent injunction is STAYED for thirty (30)
days. The Clerk of Court is DIRECTED to enter judgment in favor of the Plaintiffs.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
DATED: November 8, 2024
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149And back to CA7 it goes...
Come on, SCOTUS. Grant cert to Snope. You can do it.
Come on, SCOTUS. Grant cert to Snope. You can do it.
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150I opened a thread on Jul 2, 2024 listing gun cases SCOTUS had granted cert to, vacated the lower court rulings and remanded back to the lower courts (GVR) and Barnettt vs Raoul was one of those cases. Thomas and Alito dissenting in returning the cases and felt SCOTUS should have ruled.
https://www.theliberalgunclub.com/phpBB ... tt#p917267
The judge in the Southern District of Illinois who is a Trump appointee, stayed his order for 30 days to allow the Democratic Illinois AG to appeal to the 7th Circuit which he has done. McGlynn wrote a 168 page ruling so plenty for the 7th Circuit and SCOTUS to consider.
https://www.courthousenews.com/federal- ... itutional/
https://www.theliberalgunclub.com/phpBB ... tt#p917267
The judge in the Southern District of Illinois who is a Trump appointee, stayed his order for 30 days to allow the Democratic Illinois AG to appeal to the 7th Circuit which he has done. McGlynn wrote a 168 page ruling so plenty for the 7th Circuit and SCOTUS to consider.
https://www.courthousenews.com/federal- ... itutional/
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