sikacz wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:19 am

highdesert wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:37 am

VodoundaVinci wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:10 am https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinoi ... 209ca.html

(The Center Square) – Gov. J.B. Pritzker said Wednesday that despite his million-dollar donations to two Illinois Supreme Court justices last year, they are independent and should not have to recuse themselves from two high-profile cases before them in which the governor is a defendant.

Pritzker donated a total of $2 million from two separate accounts to then-Illinois Supreme Court candidates Mary O’Brien and Elizabeth Rochford, $1 million each. Those candidates are now justices on the bench of seven who will hear separate challenges to the state's no-cash bail provision (next week) and to the state's gun ban and registry (in May). Pritzker signed both the SAFE-T Act and the gun ban into law and is a defendant in the lawsuits challenging their constitutionality.

I am skeptical that SCOTUS is gonna save US here in Illinois. They are trying to step back from accusations and scrutiny of higher court Justices and impropriety. The Governor of Illinois has openly purchased 2 Illinois Supreme Court Justices and no one, not even SCOTUS, seems to care. Woe upon US and Amerika.

VooDoo

To anti-gunners mostly Democrats, Pritzker did nothing wrong. If that was the Koch organization funding pro 2A candidates Democrats would be all over the media claiming the seats were being bought. In this era, right & wrong depends on where someone sits on the political spectrum.

This is an unfortunate reality. If it’s a right you don’t personally need or want people don’t care if it’s restricted or eliminated.

Anti-gunners justify many questionable actions, because they're "saving lives" by banning weapons. Like anti-abortionists justify their actions because they're "saving babies". The end justifies the means.

highdesert wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:37 am In this era right & wrong depends on where someone sits on the political spectrum.

I'm going to jump int this echo chamber briefly. No one with two brain cells connected believes this. Illinois politics is notoriously corrupt.

I do like to think I've got more than two brain cells, maybe at least 3. People do see events through their political echo chambers, just watch network TV and how events are spun depending on the network you watch.

I agree that Illinois politics has a history of corruption, the last two governors that ended up in prison.

George Ryan, Republican
Convicted in 2006

Rod Blagojevich, Democrat
Convicted in 2010
(sentence commuted by Trump)

I'm pushing back on "both sider-ism". There is a HUGE difference between Reps and Dems. Huge. Neither one is great, but they are not the same. For example, both Tr*mp and Bill Clinton are likely serial sexual predators. Reps currently would not accept prosecution of Tr*mp on any of this. Hell, he lead a violent revolt against the government on 01/06/2021 and they won't accept him being punished for this. Most Dems I know would happily see Clinton put in Epstein's jail cell, and wouldn't care if the guards "fell asleep" again. One group is still trying to accept the laws and norms that hold us together, and it ain't the MAGAts.

So as long as "both sider-ism" keeps leaching its way into every discussion here, I'll keep pushing back with my view that the Dems are not anyone's ideal, but they are not the same as the MAGAts that have taken over the Republican Party. I don't care that people here can't plug their noses and not vote against MAGA. That's their right, and I'm frankly sympathetic to it. But some of us are making hard choices.

Agreed, cooper. The only real beef gun owners have with the Dems is their foolish gun proposals. We must note as well the complete impossibility of a total ban on guns, which is what fear mongers push. It's absurd. When we look to the over all policies of both parties, there is only one choice in November. Once we defeat the maga morons completely, and we will, we can concentrate on a third party that will protect our enjoyment of guns as well as protecting bodily autonomy, proper economic policies, and a robust yet humane foreign policy. This, in line with the biggest threat we all face: climate change.

There is no question about whom we should vote for in November, all the day down the ballot. Locally may see some options, but in general, that's how I see it.

CDFingers

https://legiscan.com/IL/bill/SB2720/2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDy2GZpg00M&t=0s

So now Illinois wants to introduce legislation that if your FOID card is revoked (for not registering assault weapons or Red Flag laws) you also lose your drivers license if your FOID is not surrendered to the State Police. I'm waiting for legislation forming State Gulags for gun owners. This is just plain scary now. Pure retribution for low compliance with gun registration.

VooDoo

Democrats control the IL state senate by 40 to 19 and the IL state house by 78 to 39, plus they control the governorship with Pritzker. You're in a one party state and Democrats can pass whatever gun laws they like. Chicago and its surrounding suburbs and surrounding blue counties control Illinois.

VodoundaVinci wrote: Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:51 am https://legiscan.com/IL/bill/SB2720/2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDy2GZpg00M&t=0s

So now Illinois wants to introduce legislation that if your FOID card is revoked (for not registering assault weapons or Red Flag laws) you also lose your drivers license if your FOID is not surrendered to the State Police. I'm waiting for legislation forming State Gulags for gun owners. This is just plain scary now. Pure retribution for low compliance with gun registration.

VooDoo

And if dems had the same control on the federal level, they would swiftly push for gun control and ban initiatives. The current president proved this inclination in his first months as president. It’s not at all clear who “we” should vote for in November. If the dem agenda doesn’t change I don’t see the point in voting for them and likely won’t.

highdesert wrote: Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:54 am Democrats control the IL state senate by 40 to 19 and the IL state house by 78 to 39, plus they control the governorship with Pritzker. You're in a one party state and Democrats can pass whatever gun laws they like. Chicago and its surrounding suburbs and surrounding blue counties control Illinois.

Yup. I'd move if I could (like the 33000 who left last year) but my Wife passed away in July of last year and I'm emotionally/financially stuck here. This State is being disassembled steadily by that one party.

VooDoo

VodoundaVinci wrote: Sun Jan 14, 2024 12:06 pm

highdesert wrote: Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:54 am Democrats control the IL state senate by 40 to 19 and the IL state house by 78 to 39, plus they control the governorship with Pritzker. You're in a one party state and Democrats can pass whatever gun laws they like. Chicago and its surrounding suburbs and surrounding blue counties control Illinois.

Yup. I'd move if I could (like the 33000 who left last year) but my Wife passed away in July of last year and I'm emotionally/financially stuck here. This State is being disassembled steadily by that one party.

VooDoo

Sorry to hear about your wife VooDoo. With interest rates at all time highs, it's not a good time to sell if you own a home. You can do some planning now for when things improve and say FU to Pritzker and the anti-gunners in his party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp3ZT9ySBSw&t=1s

I have heard some of the same stuff from local FFL's in regards to the ATF compiling information from 4473's to assist the Illinois Government. I'm convinced that when the next mass shooting event happens, they may begin confiscation by emergency executive order from the Governor.

VooDoo

VodoundaVinci wrote: Sun Jan 14, 2024 12:06 pm Yup. I'd move if I could (like the 33000 who left last year) but my Wife passed away in July of last year and I'm emotionally/financially stuck here. This State is being disassembled steadily by that one party.

VooDoo

My deepest condolences, VooDoo. I remember you writing about her with great affection.

Thank you for your sympathy. I am destroyed.

VooDoo

VodoundaVinci wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:08 am Thank you for your sympathy. I am destroyed.

VooDoo

Hang in there. I’m really disliking our political system at this point. There is no way it serves the interests of the people anymore and hasn’t for many years. The rights of minorities should be protected regardless of who is in power and there was a time years ago that this was at least the way it was perceived. Now there is not even a pretense, no effort, but a direct assault on anyone that is perceived as outside of the party sphere. Gun owners have been totally dumped by the democratic party. Whatever happens in November I put the blame squarely on biden, the bloomie types and the party for failing to find consensus.

Voodoo, so sorry to hear about your wife.

featureless wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:06 pm Voodoo, so sorry to hear about your wife.

Thanks.

VooDoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcpEb1I5mg0

Illinois JCAR (Joint Committee on Administrative Rules) has officially accepted the ISP Rules as the rules that shall remain in place despite formal objections from lawmakers that they are not clear.

VooDoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtPPNIULVRI

This would be fascinating if it weren't so scary......looks like the Government of Illinois is setting up to roll on confiscation. My illegal-to-possess firearms are not in the State of Illinois. If I am not in possession and according to the ISP, I don't have to register/submit disclosure affidavits for banned firearms that are not in my possession in the State.

It'd be fascinating if I wasn't so pissed and scared. How did Amerika come to this? Is my door gonna be kicked in, shoot the dog, and drag me out in my underwear?

This will be interesting.

VooDoo

Sorry, just caught off guard again by your signature, VooDoo. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." From a white man. A slaveholder.

Dude was totally okay with debarring the use of arms from everyone else, right?

Sigh. We've come so far. We have so much further to go.

I see your point. I have removed it from my signature.

VooDoo

This is interesting if you have been following this thread/Illinois Assault Weapons Ban. The law as written stated that anyone wanting to keep Assault Weapons owned prior to the law going into effect *Must* submit a disclosure Affidavit by January 1 2024. But now the Governor and the ISP are telling folks that registration will continue and people will not be prosecuted for missing the deadline.

January 1, 2024 - January 16, 2024

Number of Individuals Completing an Affidavit: 5,867
Total Affidavits: 18,532
Firearms Affidavits: 11,161
Accessory Affidavits: 7,277
Ammunition Affidavits: 94

[youtu_be]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_wbPf6VDlI&t=7s[/youtu_be]

Rumor has it that the Governor and Democrats spearheading this ban want to enact legislation to retract the ability to keep grandfathered weapons on the next mass shooting even be that in Illinois or elsewhere.

VooDoo

VodoundaVinci wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:43 am This is interesting if you have been following this thread/Illinois Assault Weapons Ban. The law as written stated that anyone wanting to keep Assault Weapons owned prior to the law going into effect *Must* submit a disclosure Affidavit by January 1 2024. But now the Governor and the ISP are telling folks that registration will continue and people will not be prosecuted for missing the deadline.

January 1, 2024 - January 16, 2024

Number of Individuals Completing an Affidavit: 5,867
Total Affidavits: 18,532
Firearms Affidavits: 11,161
Accessory Affidavits: 7,277
Ammunition Affidavits: 94

[youtu_be]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_wbPf6VDlI&t=7s[/youtu_be]

Rumor has it that the Governor and Democrats spearheading this ban want to enact legislation to retract the ability to keep grandfathered weapons on the next mass shooting even be that in Illinois or elsewhere.

VooDoo

Hopefully somebody will point to the Cali AWB. A certain type of SKS rifle was said to be not an AW, then later that was changed to say it was an AW but not to worry, they extended the time limit to register those rifles. After the extended period was over some gun grabber groups sued, and won. So those who had registered during the extension were sent letters to get rid of them with several options. At least one person made arrangements with the state to confiscate it, which they did. So yes, registration in California can lead to confiscation.

IMO, Registration = Confiscation. Why would someone want/need a register of specific firearms if they didn't intend confiscation or oppression of the people contained in the Registry?

The thing that blows my mind is that here in Illinois if it's a first offense misdemeanor and second and subsequent offenses are class 3 felonies. So in order not to be charged with a potential felony, we are told we have to give up our 5th amendment rights and tell the police that we are in possession of banned items *and* the affidavit affirms that we are doing so voluntarily. We are voluntarily signing a digital affidavit telling them what we have and who has it/where it is under penalty of a felony.

How can this be happening? What happened to being a nation of laws? The Constitution says I have the right to not incriminate myself but unless i do i can be charged with a felony. Stick me with a fork - I'm done, Amerika. Luckily I had the resources to dis possess myself of any contraband. All my stuff is out of the State of Illinois. I didn't sign any affidavit as I'm not in possession. So, if they want to come kick the door down, shoot the dog, and tear the house apart looking for "Assault Weapons" or "Assault Weapon Attachments" come be my guest.

VooDoo

Might explain why the compliance rate has been so low, others can see it too...

So dems tearing up the bill of rights and the constitution is preferable to the republicans doing it. Doesn’t seem like either choice is acceptable.