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"Using imprecise language as an excuse to create plausible ambiguity about whether defendant violated this Court's unequivocal gag order is not a defense; the subject of Donald Trump's public statement to the press was unmistakably clear."

CDFingers wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:46 am A great resource is this reddit thread, but here is a great quote that exposes how TOS got caught being "imprecise."

"Using imprecise language as an excuse to create plausible ambiguity about whether defendant violated this Court's unequivocal gag order is not a defense; the subject of Donald Trump's public statement to the press was unmistakably clear."

https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comme ... udge_says/

Anyone want to guess how long it will be until he's jailed for violating the gag order? I say this weekend. Takers?

CDFingers

sig230 wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 2:33 pm First, this is in an area where only 4 out of 22 precincts favored Trump in 2020.

Today on the way to get groceries there was another Trump CarAvan but with some new flags. It was 40+ cars and trucks with the normal Trump 2024 and Impeach Biden flags but also Vote Jesus 2024, Israel and Gadsden flags and most ominously beginning with one I doubt 1% of the public recognize, the Confederate "Blood Stained Flag" and ending with a Black American Flag. The combination of the last flag of the Confederacy with the all Black & White "No Quarters" version of the US flag frankly scared me.

F4FEver wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:45 am And all these lemmings are armed. And if trump returns to the WH, if you don't raise two fingers to swear allegiance to trump, you will be losing your rights, starting with the 2A.

The judge overseeing Donald Trump’s federal election subversion criminal case has reinstated the gag order she issued on the former president earlier this month. US District Judge Tanya Chutkan also denied Trump’s request to issue a long-term stay of the order – which bars the former president from publicly targeting court personnel, potential witnesses or the special counsel’s team – while his appeal of it played out. Chutkan’s ruling appeared in a brief docket entry Sunday evening. Details of her ruling were not yet available.

Chutkan issued the order earlier this month after prosecutors raised concerns that the former president could intimidate witnesses or encourage harm against prosecutors through his public comments. Trump quickly appealed, and Chutkan temporarily froze the order on October 20 while special counsel Jack Smith’s team and Trump’s attorneys litigated whether it should be paused indefinitely during the appeals process. The former president slammed the ruling Sunday evening, claiming it infringed on his right to free speech. “The Corrupt Biden Administration just took away my First Amendment Right To Free Speech. NOT CONSTITUTIONAL! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN…” Trump posted on Truth Social.

The former president slammed the ruling Sunday evening, claiming it infringed on his right to free speech. “The Corrupt Biden Administration just took away my First Amendment Right To Free Speech. NOT CONSTITUTIONAL! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN…” Trump posted on Truth Social.

Legal scholar destroys Trump's claim he's exempt from Fourteenth Amendment

Former President Donald Trump is faced with lawsuits in multiple states trying to disqualify him from the ballot under the 14th Amendment's Insurrection Clause, which prohibits anyone who engaged in insurrection from serving in public office without a waiver from Congress. Trump's attorneys have argued that this prohibition doesn't apply to the office of president — but that's a ridiculous reading that doesn't make any sense, argued retired Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe on MSNBC Tuesday.

"Does Section 3 apply to presidents, the meaning of engaged in insurrection as used in Section 3, and did Trump's actions meet the standard for Section 3?" asked anchor Joy Reid. "Your thoughts, sir."

"I think the answers to all of those questions are quite clear," said Tribe, one of the most outspoken advocates for constitutionally disqualifying Trump. "It is clear that Section 3 by itself says that anyone who 'engages in an insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution of the United States' — that's the phrase, not just against the government, but against the Constitution of the United States — is not entitled to another bite at that apple. Now, Donald Trump says that might apply to a county commissioner in New Mexico, but it doesn't apply to him, because it doesn't apply to the president. That is an absurd argument."

"I won't go into the details, but it's clear that if there's any officer in the country who would be a danger to democracy if he were allowed again to manipulate our processes, it is someone who took the oath as president and then turned around and tried to overturn the central part of the Constitution, which is the transition from one president to another," said Tribe. "And in accord with who actually wins the election, not who says I believe I won, I thought i won, I should have won, how could I have lost to this guy, but the person who our legal process determines as the winner. Now, one of the things that Mr. Trump — and by the way, in the Michigan filing today, he calls himself 'President Trump' 35 times — he seems to think that he won the election, but I have news for him. The Constitution says that you serve for only four years. And if you lose the Electoral College, that's the end of it."

"He argues, I never really took the kind of oath that Section 3 talks about," Tribe continued. "It talks about an oath to support the Constitution. I didn't take that oath. I took the oath that the president takes. It's an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. Now, that's how ridiculous the arguments get. The legal arguments are clear. But the political argument is not so clear. A lot of people say even though Congressman Raskin's examples are perfect, they wouldn't apply it to a 30-year-old or to someone not a natural-born citizen, but they say let the people decide, even if someone is not eligible. That's not the way that people who fought the Civil War decided we needed to handle it. They decided that you needed to disqualify anyone who basically is a traitor to the Constitution. That kind of person is dangerous. Dangerous as a person who might attempt to seize power and then never let go."

A lot of people say even though Congressman Raskin's examples are perfect, they wouldn't apply it to a 30-year-old or to someone not a natural-born citizen, but they say let the people decide, even if someone is not eligible. That's not the way that people who fought the Civil War decided we needed to handle it. They decided that you needed to disqualify anyone who basically is a traitor to the Constitution. That kind of person is dangerous. Dangerous as a person who might attempt to seize power and then never let go."

[A]lmost all essential elements of ... Nazi ideology were to be found in the radical positions of ideological protest movements [in pre-1914 Germany]. These were: a virulent anti-Semitism, a blood-and-soil ideology, the notion of a master race, [and] the idea of territorial acquisition and settlement in the East. These ideas were embedded in a popular nationalism which was vigorously anti-modernist, anti-humanist and pseudo-religious.

Brought together, the result was an anti-intellectual and politically semi-illiterate ideology lacking cohesion, a product of mass culture which allowed its followers emotional attachment and offered a simplified and easily-digestible world-view based on a political mythology for the masses.

Judge Cannon punts on decision to delay Trump's classified documents trial further

Judge Aileen Cannon has put off a decision for now on whether to delay former President Donald Trump's classified documents case, The Messengerreported on Wednesday.

Trump is seeking a delay in the trial, which was already pushed back to May 2024 earlier this year — later than requested by special counsel Jack Smith. An attorney representing the former president, Todd Blanche, argued that it is "unfair" for the former president to be facing three trials in three months — the 2020 election interference case and the New York business fraud cases are set to be heard in March.

At the end of the 90-minute hearing on the matter, Cannon said she would consider all the arguments and make a decision later.

Prosecutors argue that Trump illegally hoarded boxes of highly classified national defense information in unsecured areas of his Mar-a-Lago country club in South Florida, and have charged his body man Walt Nauta and property manager Carlos de Oliveira with helping him.

Trump has insisted he had a right to take the documents and that he "mentally" declassified them without telling anyone.

Cannon, herself an appointee of Trump, has frequently come under fire for a series of decisions in the case that onlookers have suggested appear to be calculated to tilt the process in Trump's favor.

Bisbee wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 3:43 pm Enough people in Germany once “decided” a failed painter turned angry performance artist was a better bet than the old men who ruled after WWI… They sent this “disruptor candidate” into the halls of power which he and his goons subsequently burned down and consolidated more and more power with ever more incendiary speeches. TOS studied this man, manicured his public persona around his speeches, and considered him a great example of success. We can also study this man and not allow the same mistakes as the 1930’s Germans to happen in 21st Century America.

45 must be disqualified from ever wielding the reigns of power by the very rules outlined in our Constitution after our country faced the crucible!

We already faced our modern day crisis with democracy with TOS leading a failed coupe on Jan 6 in an attempt to keep the reigns of power. Our governmental institutions were shaken to its foundations. All American saw just how fragile democracy was, where our elected representatives in the Capitol were being hunted, literally inches away from being killed by a mindless mob. Fascism has always had a foothold in American politics. It is the kissing cousin of slavery (essentially racism coupled to economics). Jan 6 should have been the moment that clarified the danger of such continued ignorance of economic scapegoating to all Americans. The water cannot continue to be muddied on the gravity of our challenge as a nation and a people.

[A]lmost all essential elements of ... Nazi ideology were to be found in the radical positions of ideological protest movements [in pre-1914 Germany]. These were: a virulent anti-Semitism, a blood-and-soil ideology, the notion of a master race, [and] the idea of territorial acquisition and settlement in the East. These ideas were embedded in a popular nationalism which was vigorously anti-modernist, anti-humanist and pseudo-religious.

Brought together, the result was an anti-intellectual and politically semi-illiterate ideology lacking cohesion, a product of mass culture which allowed its followers emotional attachment and offered a simplified and easily-digestible world-view based on a political mythology for the masses.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

The federal judge overseeing Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago document-mishandling case cast doubt on the viability having a trial in May 2024, signaling she may postpone the criminal proceedings. During a hearing Wednesday in south Florida, US District Judge Aileen Cannon raised concerns that the defense team wouldn’t be able to complete trial preparations between now and the spring as they handle other cases for Trump and a stacked trial schedule. “I’m having a hard time seeing how this work can be accomplished realistically in this period of time,” Cannon said. Cannon told Justice Department prosecutor Jay Bratt, who asked to keep the trial schedule as is: “I’m not seeing in your position a level of understanding to these realities.” Cannon did not issue a ruling in court on Wednesday.

In addition to questioning the defense team’s access to evidence in the case, Cannon repeatedly questioned if the current trial schedule would unfairly bump up against the federal election interference trial of Trump, which is set for March in Washington, DC. Trump’s lawyers have repeatedly complained to the judge in the Mar-a-Lago criminal document-mishandling case that they haven’t had proper access to classified evidence in the case as they prepare for a trial next May. Those complaints have evolved into the Trump team asking Cannon to postpone the trial “until at least mid-November 2024.”

“After four months of delay, we were allowed to review for the first time documents that are critical to some of the serious felony charges” that special counsel Jack Smith has filed, Trump’s lawyers wrote to the court two weeks ago. Attorneys for Trump and his two co-defendants, Walt Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira, employees who are accused of helping him mislead federal officials, have long aimed to push the criminal trial and other trials Trump faces next year past the election, citing his ongoing presidential campaign, busy court schedule, and what they call the Justice Department’s “rush to trial.”