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Lawyers for Donald Trump on Monday asked the federal judge presiding over his election subversion case in Washington to recuse herself, saying her past public statements about the former president and his connection to the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol call into question whether she can be fair. The recusal motion from Trump’s lawyers takes aim at U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, a former assistant public defender who was nominated to the bench by President Barack Obama and has since stood out as one of the toughest punishers of Jan. 6 defendants. The request that she step aside is the latest flashpoint in already delicate relations between the defense team and the judge, who has repeatedly warned against inflammatory public comments from Trump but has nonetheless been lambasted on social media by him.

“Although Judge Chutkan may genuinely intend to give President Trump a fair trial — and may believe that she can do so — her public statements unavoidably taint these proceedings, regardless of outcome,” the defense team wrote. “The public will reasonably and understandably question whether Judge Chutkan arrived at all of her decisions in this matter impartially, or in fulfillment of her prior negative statements regarding President Trump.” Chutkan has often has handed down prison sentences in Jan. 6 cases that are harsher than Justice Department prosecutors recommended. The judge also previously ruled against Trump in a separate Jan. 6 case. In November 2021, she refused his request to block the release of documents to the U.S. House’s Jan. 6 committee by asserting executive privilege.

Trump’s lawyers also cited Chutkan’s comments from the sentencing of a rioter who attacked police officers working to hold back the angry pro-Trump mob on Jan. 6. During the December 2021 hearing for Robert Palmer, who was sentenced to more than five years in prison, Chutkan said the defendant “made a very good point” that the “people who exhorted” and encouraged him “to go and take action and to fight” had not been charged. “Public statements of this sort create a perception of prejudgment incompatible with our justice system. In a case this widely watched, of such monumental significance, the public must have the utmost confidence that the Court will administer justice neutrally and dispassionately,” Trump’s attorneys wrote.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ne ... m=referral
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highdesert wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:07 pm
Lawyers for Donald Trump on Monday asked the federal judge presiding over his election subversion case in Washington to recuse herself, saying her past public statements about the former president and his connection to the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol call into question whether she can be fair. The recusal motion from Trump’s lawyers takes aim at U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, a former assistant public defender who was nominated to the bench by President Barack Obama and has since stood out as one of the toughest punishers of Jan. 6 defendants. The request that she step aside is the latest flashpoint in already delicate relations between the defense team and the judge, who has repeatedly warned against inflammatory public comments from Trump but has nonetheless been lambasted on social media by him.

“Although Judge Chutkan may genuinely intend to give President Trump a fair trial — and may believe that she can do so — her public statements unavoidably taint these proceedings, regardless of outcome,” the defense team wrote. “The public will reasonably and understandably question whether Judge Chutkan arrived at all of her decisions in this matter impartially, or in fulfillment of her prior negative statements regarding President Trump.” Chutkan has often has handed down prison sentences in Jan. 6 cases that are harsher than Justice Department prosecutors recommended. The judge also previously ruled against Trump in a separate Jan. 6 case. In November 2021, she refused his request to block the release of documents to the U.S. House’s Jan. 6 committee by asserting executive privilege.

Trump’s lawyers also cited Chutkan’s comments from the sentencing of a rioter who attacked police officers working to hold back the angry pro-Trump mob on Jan. 6. During the December 2021 hearing for Robert Palmer, who was sentenced to more than five years in prison, Chutkan said the defendant “made a very good point” that the “people who exhorted” and encouraged him “to go and take action and to fight” had not been charged. “Public statements of this sort create a perception of prejudgment incompatible with our justice system. In a case this widely watched, of such monumental significance, the public must have the utmost confidence that the Court will administer justice neutrally and dispassionately,” Trump’s attorneys wrote.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ne ... m=referral
This is simply classic delaying tactics and establishing a series of objections to be used after the fact to question and challenge any results not favorable to Trump.
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sig230 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:21 pm
highdesert wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:07 pm
Lawyers for Donald Trump on Monday asked the federal judge presiding over his election subversion case in Washington to recuse herself, saying her past public statements about the former president and his connection to the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol call into question whether she can be fair. The recusal motion from Trump’s lawyers takes aim at U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, a former assistant public defender who was nominated to the bench by President Barack Obama and has since stood out as one of the toughest punishers of Jan. 6 defendants. The request that she step aside is the latest flashpoint in already delicate relations between the defense team and the judge, who has repeatedly warned against inflammatory public comments from Trump but has nonetheless been lambasted on social media by him.

“Although Judge Chutkan may genuinely intend to give President Trump a fair trial — and may believe that she can do so — her public statements unavoidably taint these proceedings, regardless of outcome,” the defense team wrote. “The public will reasonably and understandably question whether Judge Chutkan arrived at all of her decisions in this matter impartially, or in fulfillment of her prior negative statements regarding President Trump.” Chutkan has often has handed down prison sentences in Jan. 6 cases that are harsher than Justice Department prosecutors recommended. The judge also previously ruled against Trump in a separate Jan. 6 case. In November 2021, she refused his request to block the release of documents to the U.S. House’s Jan. 6 committee by asserting executive privilege.

Trump’s lawyers also cited Chutkan’s comments from the sentencing of a rioter who attacked police officers working to hold back the angry pro-Trump mob on Jan. 6. During the December 2021 hearing for Robert Palmer, who was sentenced to more than five years in prison, Chutkan said the defendant “made a very good point” that the “people who exhorted” and encouraged him “to go and take action and to fight” had not been charged. “Public statements of this sort create a perception of prejudgment incompatible with our justice system. In a case this widely watched, of such monumental significance, the public must have the utmost confidence that the Court will administer justice neutrally and dispassionately,” Trump’s attorneys wrote.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ne ... m=referral
This is simply classic delaying tactics and establishing a series of objections to be used after the fact to question and challenge any results not favorable to Trump.
Agree, if she doesn't recuse herself then he'll appeal to the DC Circuit US Court of Appeals. On the other hand, maybe she wants to get rid of the case and pass the headache off to another district court judge. Former chief judge Beryl Howell would be a tough one, she's ruled against Trump before.
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TOS and his illegal team will do everything possible to only have judges that have been appointed by TOS to judge his cases and fight any judge that ruled against him.
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When most people claim the judge had it in for them, they are usually sitting in the slammer and nobody cares. TRE45ON will scream about this every day of the trial and call for his hoard of red-hatters to liberate him from unjust persecution. Won’t work though. Especially if enough folks in the media start ridiculing and laughing at him for acting like a petulant child and being Putin’s tool to undermining democracy.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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Trump demands Judge Chutkan recuse herself from federal election case in new filing

Former President Donald Trump has made a legal motion formally asking D.C. District Judge Tanya Chutkan to recuse herself from the federal election charges against him, reported The Messenger on Monday.

The key focus of the request, said the report, is commentary Chutkan made during the trial of Christine Priola, a Northern Ohio woman sentenced to 15 months in federal prison for her role in the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, which appeared to reference the former president.

"This was nothing less than an attempt to violently overthrow the government, the legally, lawfully, peacefully elected government, by individuals who were mad that their guy lost," said Chutkan in her comments. "And the people who mobbed the Capitol were there in fealty ... not to the ideals of this country; and not to the principles of democracy. It's a blind loyalty to one person who, by the way, remains free to this day."

Trump's attorneys argue this is an "apparent prejudgment of guilt" by implying that Trump is free, but should not be free.

However, former federal prosecutor Joyce Vance noted on X her opinion that this motion is probably not going to work. "Unsurprising that he would do this. Seems unlikely to succeed," she wrote. "The case for refusing Judge Cannon in Florida would be far stronger & so far, the govt has not chosen to bring it."

The decision to recuse from a case ultimately rests with Chutkan herself, who will review the complaint and would be expected to use her own judgment on whether she can be impartial.
Full article: https://www.rawstory.com/trump-chutkan-2665244445/

This was not unexpected just surprised it took so long.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin asserted Tuesday that the criminal cases against former U.S. President Donald Trump are political revenge that show the fundamental corruption of the United States. “As for the prosecution of Trump, for us what is happening in today’s conditions, in my opinion, is good because it shows the rottenness of the American political system, which cannot pretend to teach others democracy,” Putin said at an Eastern Economic Forum gathering in Russia’s Pacific Coast city of Vladivostok. “Everything that is happening with Trump is the persecution of a political rival for political reasons. That’s what it is. And this is being done in front of the public of the United States and the whole world,” he said.

Opinion polls indicate that Trump is by far the strongest contender to become the Republican Party’s candidate in the 2024 presidential election. During his four years in the White House, Trump repeatedly touted having good relations with Putin, while critics alleged he was submissive to the Russian leader. Trump has claimed he could resolve the conflict in Ukraine in a matter of days, if he regains the presidency. He has not provided details of his potential approach. “We hear that Mr. Trump says that he will solve pressing problems in a few days, including the Ukrainian crisis. Well, this cannot but bring happiness. This is good,” Putin said.

However, the Russian leader said his country’s poor relations with the United States were unlikely to change significantly regardless of who becomes president. “What to expect from the future, no matter who the president is, it’s hard for us to say, but it’s unlikely that anything will change radically,” Putin said. He claimed the Biden administration has instilled a strong bias against Russia and ”it will be very difficult for them to somehow turn this whole ship” in the other direction. Russia also is due to have a presidential election in 2024. Putin hedged Tuesday when asked if he would seek another term after being in power, as president or prime minister, since 2000. “We will talk about it” after the Russian parliament sets an election date, he said.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-vladi ... 5941bd44fc
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Perfect! Putin himself is so desperate that can’t keep his trap shut now even when he possesses the mental acuity 45 lacks to be a good chess player. Whatever Russia says about America used to be the indicator of what Americans were doing to strengthen our country… just spin criticism 180° and voilà you have the answer. This used to be as basic as the enmity Americans felt for “k-k-k-komunism”.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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The Dems should sweep in 2024. There is nothing anywhere to suggest that the Repubs have anything to offer anyone in the 99%. Oligarchs who own media see advantage and profit in the R mind set, and they will print and distribute all manner of Malarkey in an effort to get a favorable person as president. While Biden is a neoliberal, he is not a wanna be oligarch. "Putin supports us" is the cry from the right. I say vote them into the private sector.

Dems sweep or democracy dies, one.

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Oh, and it is a given to anyone paying attention that Putin views 45 as a mentally retarded frat-boy easily manipulated/bribed and suitable only to be his lap-bitch.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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The internet and video games have given more and more people the inaccurate perception that words/actions are without consequences. It is just childishness that quickly gets replaced with a heavy dose of reality when arrested and prosecuted in the court of law. Just look at all the pathetic figures who stormed the Capitol screaming obscenities now sheepishly saying they believed and acted on a lie and were sorry. So sorry.

Children in adult bodies. Makes me want to slap somebody. To wake them up of course.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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CDFingers wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:51 pm The Dems should sweep in 2024. There is nothing anywhere to suggest that the Repubs have anything to offer anyone in the 99%. Oligarchs who own media see advantage and profit in the R mind set, and they will print and distribute all manner of Malarkey in an effort to get a favorable person as president. While Biden is a neoliberal, he is not a wanna be oligarch. "Putin supports us" is the cry from the right. I say vote them into the private sector.

Dems sweep or democracy dies, one.

CDFingers
YUP...if the GQP wins in any way, including the WH..expect a crackdown on anything or anybody not loyal to MAGA/trump.
If the GQP loses, as I suspect they will(including covid-45), expect j6 type events, but on steroids...be vigilant, be prepared...
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Trump knew that the Russians were arming the Taliban against U.S. troops, and his response was to direct the CIA to share counterterrorism secrets with Putin. After the Russians got away with arming the Taliban, they escalated to putting a bounty on the heads of U.S. troops in Afghanistan.
Instead of confronting Putin, Trump emboldened, encouraged, and rewarded him for attempting to kill American troops.

The treason clause in Article III Sec. 3 of The Constitution states, “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.”

Trump has given aid and comfort to Russia, an American enemy, and helped them kill or injure U.S. troops. Russia’s behavior didn’t come out of the blue. It was emboldened and encouraged by Trump, who committed treason from inside the Oval Office.
https://www.politicususa.com/2020/07/08 ... crets.html

The firing squad should be televised live. The Captain should wait 'till he pees his pants before giving the order. <-- free speech opinion only.

I am totally stunned about the lack of outrage from the "patriots." Losers.

CDFingers
Neoliberals are cowards

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CDFingers wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:51 pm The Dems should sweep in 2024. There is nothing anywhere to suggest that the Repubs have anything to offer anyone in the 99%. Oligarchs who own media see advantage and profit in the R mind set, and they will print and distribute all manner of Malarkey in an effort to get a favorable person as president. While Biden is a neoliberal, he is not a wanna be oligarch. "Putin supports us" is the cry from the right. I say vote them into the private sector.

Dems sweep or democracy dies, one.

CDFingers
In order for the Dems to "sweep" in 2024, people need to actually vote for them and lots and lots and lots and lots of progressives won't.
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Greengunner wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:33 am
CDFingers wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:51 pm The Dems should sweep in 2024. There is nothing anywhere to suggest that the Repubs have anything to offer anyone in the 99%. Oligarchs who own media see advantage and profit in the R mind set, and they will print and distribute all manner of Malarkey in an effort to get a favorable person as president. While Biden is a neoliberal, he is not a wanna be oligarch. "Putin supports us" is the cry from the right. I say vote them into the private sector.

Dems sweep or democracy dies, one.

CDFingers
In order for the Dems to "sweep" in 2024, people need to actually vote for them and lots and lots and lots and lots of progressives won't.
Yeah, I wouldn’t bet on a sweep if the dems don’t change their tune a bit. I know it’s popular at the moment even here to silence minority opinions, but just because voices are silenced doesn’t mean they will vote for or with those doing the silencing.
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Truth is most independents are partisian they just don't want to admit which party they lean to. Only about 10% of Independents are true independents.
So, which party do more Americans identify with – Democratic or Republican?

The Democratic Party, usually.

According to the Gallup poll in late 2019, 47% of Americans either called themselves Democrats or admitted leaning toward the Democratic Party, versus 42% for Republicans and 11% independents.
And so after the insurrection and all the crimes committed by republicans in the Trump party I would say Democrats will win by large margins. Does not matter if Biden is the one running.
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sikacz wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:59 am
Yeah, I wouldn’t bet on a sweep if the dems don’t change their tune a bit. I know it’s popular at the moment even here to silence minority opinions, but just because voices are silenced doesn’t mean they will vote for or with those doing the silencing.
No one here is trying to silence anyone or any opinion and yet you continue to make such silly assertions.

But regardless acts have consequences.
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sig230 wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:43 pm
sikacz wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:59 am
Yeah, I wouldn’t bet on a sweep if the dems don’t change their tune a bit. I know it’s popular at the moment even here to silence minority opinions, but just because voices are silenced doesn’t mean they will vote for or with those doing the silencing.
No one here is trying to silence anyone or any opinion and yet you continue to make such silly assertions.

But regardless acts have consequences.
Evidence would say otherwise, but you seem to ignore what the recent shutdown thread said. That’s pretty disingenuous of you to have such a selective memory. There’s a chorus of individuals here who call me a foreigner, a Russian troll and tell me to go home. I’d say that’s an effort to silence, but naturally you seem to see nothing wrong with dismissing someone’s viewpoint that you disagree with. I’ve been a citizen for about fifty years, just how long does one have to live here to be accepted as an American. No worries, I’m not going anywhere, but you are not the judge what I determine to be an effort to silence my view. That perspective belongs to the person being attacked, certainly not one of the participants in the chorus. If I take offense your view doesn’t matter.
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sikacz wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:54 pm
sig230 wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:43 pm
sikacz wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:59 am
Yeah, I wouldn’t bet on a sweep if the dems don’t change their tune a bit. I know it’s popular at the moment even here to silence minority opinions, but just because voices are silenced doesn’t mean they will vote for or with those doing the silencing.
No one here is trying to silence anyone or any opinion and yet you continue to make such silly assertions.

But regardless acts have consequences.
Evidence would say otherwise, but you seem to ignore what the recent shutdown thread said. That’s pretty disingenuous of you to have such a selective memory. There’s a chorus of individuals here who call me a foreigner, a Russian troll and tell me to go home. I’d say that’s an effort to silence, but naturally you seem to see nothing wrong with dismissing someone’s viewpoint that you disagree with. I’ve been a citizen for about fifty years, just how long does one have to live here to be accepted as an American. No worries, I’m not going anywhere, but you are not the judge what I determine to be an effort to silence my view. That perspective belongs to the person being attacked, certainly not one of the participants in the chorus. If I take offense your view doesn’t matter.
I don't and never have dismissed your viewpoint. I have asked you repeatedly to explain how your position might lead to a realistic likelihood of success.

But acts have consequences. You are free to think or believe anything you want and the people here will that called you names (damn few) will be dealt with by the moderators. But they have not stopped you from posting your position and opinions.

That is the reality.
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