FrontSight wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2023 2:29 pm

TrueTexan wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:39 pm TOS will become the best legal example of not listening to your lawyer and not keeping your mouth shut cause you to go to jail.

That's one of the more satisfying aspects of the whole thing. He just can't help himself, and he is being done in 100% by himself. Narcissism unchecked, he really can't help himself.

TrueTexan wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:39 pm I am surprised that he even still has any form of legal advisors and lawyers willing to defend him.

If they're smart enough to demand cash up front, and the checks don't bounce, why not make a ton of money off the biggest case in US history?

Peter Navarro Convicted Of Contempt After Defying House Jan. 6 Subpoena

WASHINGTON (AP) — Trump White House official Peter Navarro was convicted Thursday of contempt of Congress charges filed after he was accused of refusing to cooperate with a congressional investigation into the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

The verdict came after a short trial for Navarro, who served as a White House trade adviser under President Donald Trump and later promoted the Republican’s baseless claims of mass voter fraud in the 2020 election he lost.

Navarro was the second Trump aide to face contempt of Congress charges after former White House adviser Steve Bannon. Bannon was convicted of two counts and was sentenced to four months behind bars, though he has been free pending appeal.

Prosecutors said Navarro acted as if he were “above the law” when he defied a subpoena for documents and a deposition from the House Jan. 6 committee. He was charged with two misdemeanor counts of contempt of Congress, both punishable by up to a year behind bars.

A defense attorney argued Navarro didn’t ignore the congressional subpoena but instead told committee staffers to contact Trump about what material might be covered by executive privilege, something they did not do.

U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta ruled Navarro’s executive privilege argument wasn’t a defense against the charges, finding that Navarro hadn’t shown evidence Trump invoked it.

NonServiam wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2023 3:08 pm Willis shreds Jim Jordan

Full text of letter in linked article. The way she calls him a fucking idiot without using those exact words is hilarious.

“Face this reality, Chairman Jordan: the select group of defendants who you fret over in my jurisdiction are like every other defendant, entitled to no worse or better treatment than any other American citizen,” she wrote. Willis blasted Jordan’s request for information as illegal and improper. “Your letter makes clear that you lack a basic understanding of the law, its practice and the ethical obligations of attorneys generally and prosecutors specifically,” she wrote.

TrueTexan wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2023 2:57 pm Seems most of the ones hired aren't that smart. Look at his history from the time he started in business he has been the one to not pay as billed. He gives excuses and delays until the person needing to money agrees to a vastly reduced payment or the go out of business. He learned the from dear old Dad and the Mafia Lawyer, Ray Cohn. Delay and hold them until they can't refuse.

Wino wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:42 pm Just read article that GA. grand jury voted 20 to 1 to indict the orange asshole. Newsweek article went on to say this was in turds favor since it wasn't unanimous. Give me a fucking break !!

sikacz wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:28 am

highdesert wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:24 am HRC lost in 2016 because Dems thought no one would ever vote for Trump. Keep drinking the Kool Aid TNG.

I remember those discussions here too. If the dems were smart they would focus on a consensus unity platform and drop their divisive agenda platform points. Leave the divisive issues to the repubs.

YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:36 pm

sikacz wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:28 am

highdesert wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:24 am HRC lost in 2016 because Dems thought no one would ever vote for Trump. Keep drinking the Kool Aid TNG.

I remember those discussions here too. If the dems were smart they would focus on a consensus unity platform and drop their divisive agenda platform points. Leave the divisive issues to the repubs.

Been saying THIS for years. 75% of Americans want abortion to be safe and legal. It's won in the most unexpected states, like Kansas and Wisconsin. Now the Wisconsin House wants to impeach the new Supreme Court Justice before she's even seated--she won by ELEVEN points!--and that the Senate won't have the trial. In Wisconsin law this means she cannot serve until acquitted in an impeachment trial, so they effectively will nullify (ie STEAL) the election she won.

This makes decent people crazy. Not AWBs, not banning gas stoves, and not reading a laundry list of give-away programs that bore people to death.
Fight dirty like the GOPers fight. Use the PROVEN inflammatory language to energize the base and grab the indies by making them think "Uh-oh--Is THIS what Trump and company will do? And are already doing it????"

HRC lost in 2016 because Dems thought no one would ever vote for Trump. Keep drinking the Kool Aid TNG.

highdesert wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:59 pm

YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:36 pm

sikacz wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:28 am

highdesert wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:24 am HRC lost in 2016 because Dems thought no one would ever vote for Trump. Keep drinking the Kool Aid TNG.

I remember those discussions here too. If the dems were smart they would focus on a consensus unity platform and drop their divisive agenda platform points. Leave the divisive issues to the repubs.

Been saying THIS for years. 75% of Americans want abortion to be safe and legal. It's won in the most unexpected states, like Kansas and Wisconsin. Now the Wisconsin House wants to impeach the new Supreme Court Justice before she's even seated--she won by ELEVEN points!--and that the Senate won't have the trial. In Wisconsin law this means she cannot serve until acquitted in an impeachment trial, so they effectively will nullify (ie STEAL) the election she won.

This makes decent people crazy. Not AWBs, not banning gas stoves, and not reading a laundry list of give-away programs that bore people to death.
Fight dirty like the GOPers fight. Use the PROVEN inflammatory language to energize the base and grab the indies by making them think "Uh-oh--Is THIS what Trump and company will do? And are already doing it????"

Agree YT, special interests and monied donors are in charge and prioritizing the wrong issues for Democrats. And yes Independents are the key.

Gallup polling on party affiliation, August 2023.

Republicans 25%; Democrats 26%; and Independents 47%.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/part ... ation.aspx

sikacz wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 1:56 pm

highdesert wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:59 pm

YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:36 pm

sikacz wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:28 am
I remember those discussions here too. If the dems were smart they would focus on a consensus unity platform and drop their divisive agenda platform points. Leave the divisive issues to the repubs.

Been saying THIS for years. 75% of Americans want abortion to be safe and legal. It's won in the most unexpected states, like Kansas and Wisconsin. Now the Wisconsin House wants to impeach the new Supreme Court Justice before she's even seated--she won by ELEVEN points!--and that the Senate won't have the trial. In Wisconsin law this means she cannot serve until acquitted in an impeachment trial, so they effectively will nullify (ie STEAL) the election she won.

This makes decent people crazy. Not AWBs, not banning gas stoves, and not reading a laundry list of give-away programs that bore people to death.
Fight dirty like the GOPers fight. Use the PROVEN inflammatory language to energize the base and grab the indies by making them think "Uh-oh--Is THIS what Trump and company will do? And are already doing it????"

Agree YT, special interests and monied donors are in charge and prioritizing the wrong issues for Democrats. And yes Independents are the key.

Gallup polling on party affiliation, August 2023.

Republicans 25%; Democrats 26%; and Independents 47%.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/part ... ation.aspx

Those should be sobering numbers for dems and reason enough to retool the platform into building consensus instead of wedge issues.

sig230 wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:11 pm

sikacz wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 1:56 pm

highdesert wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:59 pm

YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:36 pm

Been saying THIS for years. 75% of Americans want abortion to be safe and legal. It's won in the most unexpected states, like Kansas and Wisconsin. Now the Wisconsin House wants to impeach the new Supreme Court Justice before she's even seated--she won by ELEVEN points!--and that the Senate won't have the trial. In Wisconsin law this means she cannot serve until acquitted in an impeachment trial, so they effectively will nullify (ie STEAL) the election she won.

This makes decent people crazy. Not AWBs, not banning gas stoves, and not reading a laundry list of give-away programs that bore people to death.
Fight dirty like the GOPers fight. Use the PROVEN inflammatory language to energize the base and grab the indies by making them think "Uh-oh--Is THIS what Trump and company will do? And are already doing it????"

Agree YT, special interests and monied donors are in charge and prioritizing the wrong issues for Democrats. And yes Independents are the key.

Gallup polling on party affiliation, August 2023.

Republicans 25%; Democrats 26%; and Independents 47%.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/part ... ation.aspx

Those should be sobering numbers for dems and reason enough to retool the platform into building consensus instead of wedge issues.

Should be.

But should be is just wishful feel good head pat and picture on the fridge.

What does the evidence show?

How can we get "should be" to actually lead to things getting done?

highdesert wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 8:39 am

sig230 wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:11 pm

sikacz wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 1:56 pm

highdesert wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:59 pm

Agree YT, special interests and monied donors are in charge and prioritizing the wrong issues for Democrats. And yes Independents are the key.

Gallup polling on party affiliation, August 2023.

Republicans 25%; Democrats 26%; and Independents 47%.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/part ... ation.aspx

Those should be sobering numbers for dems and reason enough to retool the platform into building consensus instead of wedge issues.

Should be.

But should be is just wishful feel good head pat and picture on the fridge.

What does the evidence show?

How can we get "should be" to actually lead to things getting done?

Political parties can fossilize just like any institution, they always think they have the winning formula of issues and candidates and don't make major changes after they lose. Republicans should have dumped Trump after 2018 and 2020, but he's still running the show. The wealthy educated base that used to run the Republican Party don't any longer, it's a populist party that Trump dominates. Those working middle class Democrats of old are now Republican. Estimates are that only 37% of Republicans are Trumpers, but they are the activists that drive the party, like the Tea Party numbers were small but very active. The populist right shares with left wing Democrats, a hatred of corporations and financial institutions.

Trump Defamed E. Jean Carroll Again, Federal Court Finds

A federal court has, for the second time this year, ruled that Donald Trump defamed E. Jean Carroll, who accused the former president of sexually assaulting her in a New York department store dressing room in 1996. On Wednesday, US District Court Judge Lewis Kaplan declared that Carroll had sufficiently proved in a previous civil case that Trump’s comments about her sexual assault allegations were libelous. Now, the upcoming trial—slated for January 2024—will focus only on what the billionaire owes Carroll in damages.

After only three hours of deliberation, the jury found Trump’s 2022 comments defamatory. That verdict became the basis for Kaplan’s determination of whether or not Trump’s comments in 2019 were similarly disparaging.

“The truth or falsity of Mr. Trump’s 2019 statements therefore depends—like the truth or falsity of his 2022 statement—on whether Ms. Carroll lied about Mr. Trump sexually assaulting her. The jury’s finding that she did not therefore is binding in this case and precludes Mr. Trump from contesting the falsity of his 2019 statements,” Kaplan wrote, according to NBC News.

Kaplan’s decision is only the most recent loss for Trump’s legal team. In August, another federal judge tossed out the ex-president’s appeal in the 2019 case, calling it “frivolous.” Now, Trump will have to pay Carroll an undetermined amount in damages—adding to the $5 million he already owes her from the previous defamation case.

tonguengroover wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 9:53 am

highdesert wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 8:39 am

sig230 wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:11 pm

sikacz wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 1:56 pm
Those should be sobering numbers for dems and reason enough to retool the platform into building consensus instead of wedge issues.

Should be.

But should be is just wishful feel good head pat and picture on the fridge.

What does the evidence show?

How can we get "should be" to actually lead to things getting done?

Political parties can fossilize just like any institution, they always think they have the winning formula of issues and candidates and don't make major changes after they lose. Republicans should have dumped Trump after 2018 and 2020, but he's still running the show. The wealthy educated base that used to run the Republican Party don't any longer, it's a populist party that Trump dominates. Those working middle class Democrats of old are now Republican. Estimates are that only 37% of Republicans are Trumpers, but they are the activists that drive the party, like the Tea Party numbers were small but very active. The populist right shares with left wing Democrats, a hatred of corporations and financial institutions.

Oh baloney. Thats why they give the corp. huge tax breaks cus they hate them. Yeah sure. More of your irrational demagoguery.

However, unlike the other Republican-oriented groups, Populist Right also say that large corporations (82%) and financial institutions (60%) are having a negative impact. Progressive Left are the only group more critical of these institutions.

Russia's Divisive Twitter Campaign Took A Rare Consistent Stance: Pro-Gun

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/0 ... -election/

Continuing the same strategies and tactics
Overall, the IRA appears to still employ many of the same strategies and tactics as in 2016: posing as domestic actors, the IRA targeted both sides of the ideological spectrum with wedge issues. Especially noticeable were same-side candidate attacks (i.e., an “in-kind candidate attack” targeting the likely voters of the candidate), a type of voter suppression strategy designed to break the coalition of one side or the other.

Wagner chief admits to founding Russian troll farm sanctioned for meddling in US elections
By Mick Krever and Anna Chernova, CNN
Updated 1:27 PM EST, Tue February 14, 2023

Prigozhin’s comments on Tuesday come several months after he admitted to interfering in the US democratic process and pledged to do so again, in what appeared to be the first admission of a high-level meddling campaign from someone close to the Kremlin.

Russian businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin attends the meeting with investors at the 2nd Eastern Economic Forum on September, 2, 2016 in Vladivostok, Russia.
Russian oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin appears to admit to US election interference
“Gentlemen, we interfered, we interfere and we will interfere,” Prigozhin said in November, one day before the US midterm elections. “Carefully, precisely, surgically and in our own way, as we know how. During our pinpoint operations, we will remove both kidneys and the liver at once.”