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Donald Trump won almost 75 million votes in 2020, are all those 75 million voters Trumpers, of course not. Did Biden win over 81 million votes because everyone wanted him, no because as in every election, people vote for a candidate because he's not "the other guy". And some voters voted for other candidates and some didn't vote at all.

Alvin Bragg is the New York County DA and affiliated with the Democratic Party. Donald Trump is a Republican and the leader of the Republican Party. The media and our political parties love conflict so they paint it as a battle between the far right and the far left. It's simple black and white thinking, no need to use critical thinking skills.

Not sure how many people will be supporting Trump in his prosecution, he called his followers to protest and very few showed up in NYC. Republican politicians are supporting him until he's convicted and sentenced. Publicly Republicans are supporting Trump but many are hoping he's convicted and drops out of the 2024 race, sure they're two faced and that's politics.
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highdesert wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:31 pm Donald Trump won almost 75 million votes in 2020, are all those 75 million voters Trumpers, of course not. Did Biden win over 81 million votes because everyone wanted him, no because as in every election, people vote for a candidate because he's not "the other guy". And some voters voted for other candidates and some didn't vote at all.

Alvin Bragg is the New York County DA and affiliated with the Democratic Party. Donald Trump is a Republican and the leader of the Republican Party. The media and our political parties love conflict so they paint it as a battle between the far right and the far left. It's simple black and white thinking, no need to use critical thinking skills.

Not sure how many people will be supporting Trump in his prosecution, he called his followers to protest and very few showed up in NYC. Republican politicians are supporting him until he's convicted and sentenced. Publicly Republicans are supporting Trump but many are hoping he's convicted and drops out of the 2024 race, sure they're two faced and that's politics.
About sums it up. What would ultimately help dems more would be better candidates. Ones that don’t have baggage like biden and his vp.
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sikacz wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:52 pm
highdesert wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:31 pm Donald Trump won almost 75 million votes in 2020, are all those 75 million voters Trumpers, of course not. Did Biden win over 81 million votes because everyone wanted him, no because as in every election, people vote for a candidate because he's not "the other guy". And some voters voted for other candidates and some didn't vote at all.

Alvin Bragg is the New York County DA and affiliated with the Democratic Party. Donald Trump is a Republican and the leader of the Republican Party. The media and our political parties love conflict so they paint it as a battle between the far right and the far left. It's simple black and white thinking, no need to use critical thinking skills.

Not sure how many people will be supporting Trump in his prosecution, he called his followers to protest and very few showed up in NYC. Republican politicians are supporting him until he's convicted and sentenced. Publicly Republicans are supporting Trump but many are hoping he's convicted and drops out of the 2024 race, sure they're two faced and that's politics.
About sums it up. What would ultimately help dems more would be better candidates. Ones that don’t have baggage like biden and his vp.
And what baggage would that be? I think you'd find "baggage" with any democrat.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”

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YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:24 pm TOS : I won more votes than any other President! How could I not have won?

That's even though over 7 million MORE voted for the other guy, dumbass!
He only counts the MAGA Repug votes, all the other votes were illegally cast votes.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
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TrueTexan wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:47 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:24 pm TOS : I won more votes than any other President! How could I not have won?

That's even though over 7 million MORE voted for the other guy, dumbass!
He only counts the MAGA Repug votes, all the other votes were illegally cast votes.
More votes than any other president except Biden. He must have forgotton he was running against someone that year. Not in 2016.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”

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And one of HIS devoted followers was just convicted:
According to federal prosecutors, one man, Douglass Mackey, crossed a line from political speech to criminal conduct when he posted images to Twitter that resembled campaign ads for Mrs. Clinton and falsely stated that people could vote simply by texting “Hillary” to a certain phone number.
-- NY Times

Every time we learn of SOMEONE tampering with the election in any way, shape, or form, it's always a TOS piece of shit like MacKey.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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The dilemma for the Republican Party is that Donald Trump’s mounting legal troubles may be simultaneously strengthening him as a candidate for the GOP presidential nomination and weakening him as a potential general-election nominee.
Yet recent surveys have also signaled that this criminal charge—and other potential indictments from ongoing investigations—could deepen the doubts about Trump among the suburban swing voters who decisively rejected him in the 2020 presidential race, and powered surprisingly strong performances by Democrats in the 2018 and 2022 midterms. “It is definitely a conundrum that this potentially helps him in the primary yet sinks the party’s chances to win the general,” says Mike DuHaime, a GOP strategist who advises former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, a potential candidate for the 2024 Republican nomination. “This better positions [in the primary] our worst candidate for the general election.”
But most Republicans think Trump is also benefiting from an impulse among GOP voters to lock arms around him as the Manhattan investigation has proceeded. In an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist College poll released this week, four-fifths of Republicans described the various investigations targeting Trump as a “witch hunt,” echoing his own denunciation of them. “There’s going to be some level of emotional response to someone being quote-unquote attacked,” Wilson said. “That’s going to get some sympathy points that will probably bolster poll numbers.”
The NPR/PBS Newshour/Marist survey underlines DuHaime’s point about the limits of Trump’s existing support: In that survey, a 61 percent majority of Americans—including 64 percent of independents and 70 percent of college-educated white adults—said they did not want him to be president again. That result was similar to the latest Quinnipiac University national poll, which found that 60 percent of Americans do not consider themselves supporters of Trump’s “Make America great again” movement. The challenge for the GOP is that about four-fifths of Republicans said they did consider themselves part of that movement, and about three-fourths said they wanted him back in the White House.
https://archive.fo/GWuLI

Once the charges are made public on Tuesday, polls could align more against Trump especially among Republicans.


The New York state judge who will be presiding over Trump's upcoming trial, Juan Merchan who was born in Colombia.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/01/politics ... index.html


News reports are that Trump's lawyers want to move his trial from New York County (Manhattan) to Richmond County (Staten Island). The City of New York is composed of five boroughs, Manhattan and Staten Island are two boroughs and each borough is a separate county in New York State. More Republican voters in Richmond County than in New York County.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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sikacz wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:52 pm
highdesert wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:31 pm Donald Trump won almost 75 million votes in 2020, are all those 75 million voters Trumpers, of course not. Did Biden win over 81 million votes because everyone wanted him, no because as in every election, people vote for a candidate because he's not "the other guy". And some voters voted for other candidates and some didn't vote at all.

Alvin Bragg is the New York County DA and affiliated with the Democratic Party. Donald Trump is a Republican and the leader of the Republican Party. The media and our political parties love conflict so they paint it as a battle between the far right and the far left. It's simple black and white thinking, no need to use critical thinking skills.

Not sure how many people will be supporting Trump in his prosecution, he called his followers to protest and very few showed up in NYC. Republican politicians are supporting him until he's convicted and sentenced. Publicly Republicans are supporting Trump but many are hoping he's convicted and drops out of the 2024 race, sure they're two faced and that's politics.
About sums it up. What would ultimately help GOP more would be better candidates. Ones that don’t have baggage like trump and any vp.
FIFY

And this NY indictment is the first of many, including some federal ones.
AND deSatan, who doesn't even like trump, is trying to sway MAGA(t)s to his flag by saying he won't allow trump's extradition, even tho deSatan can't stop it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/desanti ... ork-2023-3

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Just a reminder we don’t elect presidents by popular vote. We elect them through the electoral college and that needs to be remembered. It’s always possible for someone to lose a popular vote and win the office. It will likely happen again especially with a very divided populace.
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sikacz wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 7:54 am Just a reminder we don’t elect presidents by popular vote. We elect them through the electoral college and that needs to be remembered. It’s always possible for someone to lose a popular vote and win the office. It will likely happen again especially with a very divided populace.
Yes. It happened 3 times in the 19th Century, in 1824, 1876*, and 1888. *1876 ended up in the House, then a select committee that awarded the election Hayes.
It didn't happen again until the very end of the 20th century--2000, then again in 2016, and COULD have happened in 2020 with a swing of less than 50,000 key votes, despite a majority over 7 million votes.

This SCOTUS could have ruled that the voting restrictions and gerrymandering were in complete contradiction to the intent and words of the Constitution--the 15th Amendment specifically defines voting as a RIGHT, yet this SCOTUS has been happy to abort that right for those they partisanly disagree with.
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What's happening inside Trump's Maraloco compound according to Maggie Haberman, NY Times senior reporter. She is the author of "Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the breaking of America"

Maggie Haberman on Donald Trump

Inside Maraloco.
They’re still trying to assess what is happening on a few fronts. One is the political front, which I’d say they were most prepared on.

Another is the legal front, which is messy because his team has had a lot of infighting, and there’s finger pointing about why they were so caught off guard. The lawyers also don’t yet know the charges because it’s a sealed indictment.

Finally, there is the emotional front. While Trump is not said to be throwing things, he is extremely angry and his family is, not surprisingly, rattled.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/02/brie ... rrest.html
https://archive.fo/2ZOx1
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sikacz wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 7:54 am Just a reminder we don’t elect presidents by popular vote. We elect them through the electoral college and that needs to be remembered. It’s always possible for someone to lose a popular vote and win the office. It will likely happen again especially with a very divided populace.
Interesting that you bring this up..since the last 2 'presidents' in modern times, that won the electoral college, but lost the popular vote were both GOP.

The populace couldn't have been more divided than in 2020...but maybe ya think that President Biden didn't actually win, the popular vote and the electoral college?

Remember, inaction favors the oppressors..talking about the GOP and their attempt at Autocracy. You think it's bad now under President Biden...sit back with the likes of trump or deSatan...unless you like homophobia, racism, attacks on women's rights, corporate wellfare, book burning and the 'christian conservative' movement.

Like the saying...'they aren't coming after Biden, they are coming after YOU'.

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highdesert wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 3:20 pm What's happening inside Trump's Maraloco compound according to Maggie Haberman, NY Times senior reporter. She is the author of "Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the breaking of America"

Maggie Haberman on Donald Trump

Inside Maraloco.
They’re still trying to assess what is happening on a few fronts. One is the political front, which I’d say they were most prepared on.

Another is the legal front, which is messy because his team has had a lot of infighting, and there’s finger pointing about why they were so caught off guard. The lawyers also don’t yet know the charges because it’s a sealed indictment.

Finally, there is the emotional front. While Trump is not said to be throwing things, he is extremely angry and his family is, not surprisingly, rattled.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/02/brie ... rrest.html
https://archive.fo/2ZOx1
But Ivanka, jared and eric are the smart ones, staying out if the shit show. Donnie jr, every time he stuffs some white powder in his nose, goes on TV. Melania is trapped with the orange turd..I feel sorry for Barron..as soon as he's 18, he needs to get out of there and away from his dipshit father.

As for trump's 'team'...he hasn't been able to attract any decent legal advice for a while..well, except for guiliani and what'shername..Powell... :sarcasm:

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papajim2jordan wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:20 am As Trump is made a martyr, Premillennialists rejoyce. I would be happy if he would drop out of public life for good.
It’s hard to have a public life when you are sitting behind bars wearing an orange jumpsuit.
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TrueTexan wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:48 am
papajim2jordan wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:20 am As Trump is made a martyr, Premillennialists rejoyce. I would be happy if he would drop out of public life for good.
It’s hard to have a public life when you are sitting behind bars wearing an orange jumpsuit.
His mailing address will be public, so I'll mail him periodically with words of encouragement. "It's only 325 years concurrently. You got this, dude."

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The circus is already setting up in front of the Manhattan criminal courts. This has to be the top circus show around the world and media vultures from everywhere are setting up, it will be wall to wall cops. The orange clown arrives tomorrow and we'll finally hear the charges read. This will be historic, the first US president indicted in a criminal matter. It's the first but it will not be the last US president to do the perp-walk.

I hope that Barron can have a normal college life, but colleges are not a politics-free area so he'll get harassed. He's not responsible for his father's behavior but that's meaningless to partisans, I expect some young Republican group will watch out for him.
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I think the idea that this is good for Trump is bullshit. Being indicted is NEVER good for ones reputation, and if he's convicted, it's a lot worse. The payoff charges are the crack that Bragg puts a wedge into, to blow the whole thing open. CNN claims the indictment includes 30 counts of fraud and I expect that's a conservative number.
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Former President Donald Trump has hired a top white-collar criminal defense lawyer and former federal prosecutor, Todd Blanche, as his lead counsel to handle the Manhattan district attorney’s criminal indictment of the former president. Blanche, until recently a partner at law firm Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft, said in an email obtained by POLITICO that he was resigning from the firm because “I have been asked to represent Trump in the recently charged DA case, and after much thought/consideration, I have decided it is the best thing for me to do and an opportunity I should not pass up.” Blanche declined to comment Monday. Trump is also represented in the case by Susan Necheles and Joe Tacopina, lawyers who represented him during the investigation that led to the indictment.

Blanche, a former assistant U.S. attorney in the Manhattan U.S. attorney’s office, has previously represented Trump ally Paul Manafort as well as Igor Fruman, a onetime associate of Rudy Giuliani who pleaded guilty in a campaign finance case brought by the Manhattan U.S. attorney’s office. Blanche was vocal during that effort in calling the indictment of Manafort “politically motivated,” a charge Trump has also levied at the current district attorney, Alvin Bragg, also a Democrat. In his resignation email, Blanche said he was unable to take Trump as a client while remaining at Cadwalader, New York City’s oldest law firm and one of its most elite. “Obviously, doing this as a partner at Cadwalader was not an option, so I have had to make the difficult choice to leave the firm.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/0 ... y-00090157
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An ABC News/Ipsos poll released Sunday found that 45% of Americans believe Trump should be charged with a crime in the case, while 32% say he should not be charged.
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/03/pollin ... -democrats
Political party divisions run deep, as 87% of Democrats view these charges as serious, compared to just 29% of Republicans. Independents are evenly split, 43% serious – 41% not serious. These divides cut across all questions, from severity of the charges to whether or not Trump should be charged with a crime for different issues.
Twenty-three percent are unsure if Trump should be charged in this current case. Indecision is higher among younger Americans, independents, and women. Looking at other cases, the number of undecided Americans ranges from 16% to 21%.
The CNN/SSRS poll - 60% approve of the indictment while 40% disapprove. In that 60/40 , 94% of Democrats approve and 79% of Republicans disapprove; 62% of Independents approve and 38% disapprove.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... ril-3-2023
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The world's eyes are on New York City where the featured performer in the circus arrived at La Guardia.



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The rest of the circus show.


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New York police officers will secure the area surrounding the building and nearby roads will be closed off. Street parking will also be suspended for some time. Mr Trump's path in and out of the building has reportedly been carefully mapped by Secret Service agents who visited the courthouse on Friday to assess the various routes.

Agents and officers will surround him as he enters and leaves in order to separate him from approaching members of the public, an anonymous law enforcement official told the Washington Post. A coalition of media outlets has requested the judge to allow photo and video coverage of the arraignment, but Mr Trump's attorneys have said they oppose the move.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65165590
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