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Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 7:49 am
by F4FEver

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 7:59 am
by highdesert
A lot of people were out for the Lunar New Year celebration. LA County Sheriff's Dept is investigating, latest reports state shooter was male but no description and he used a rifle. Gangs or drugs or both ?

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:11 am
by Wino
I'll be very surprised if this isn't another racist hate attack.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:14 am
by highdesert
This is the second mass shooting in a week in CA, five days ago there was a mass shooting in Goshen, next to Visalia in the Central Valley. In that shooting 6 people were killed including a 10 month old baby, the mother and child were shot in the forehead. The Tulare County sheriff suspects a cartel killing but it's drug related.
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... y-killings
https://archive.ph/nXMAY


Alhambra is a city just north of Monterey Park.
Law enforcement were also on scene Sunday morning in Alhambra at the Lai Lai Ballroom & Studio in the 100 block of South Garfield Avenue, about two miles north of the Monterey Park shooting. It was not clear if the police activity at that site was the incident referenced by Meyer [LASD captain in charge].
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... s-shooting
According to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s department, there are approximately 20,000 Asian gang members in Los Angeles County. Based on a survey conducted by Streetgangs.com in 2009, we have estimated that number to be substantially smaller, between 9,000 and 12,000 members county wide. We found that many of the gangs that the County regards as active have become defunct as members have matured out the gang, and other gangs were just much smaller than originally estimated.

We also found that Asian gangs that are identified as being affiliated with Hispanic and Black gang structures (i.e. Bloods, Crips or Surenos) are included in the tallies of those gangs, while also being identified a second time in the Asian category. Most Asian gangs are composed of several independent identities that are mostly either Chinese, Filipino, Cambodian or Vietnamese.

In Monterey Park, is where several Chinese gangs have formed which mostly included different “sides” of Wah Ching, a gang that has its roots in San Francisco. In Long Beach several Cambodian gangs are active including the Tiny Rascals Gang (TRG), Asian Boyz (ABZ), & Crazy Brothers Clan (CBC).
https://www.streetgangs.com/asian/

So much for all of California's gun control laws that the legislature and governor says make residents safer. Criminals will always get guns and even fully auto ones, which witnesses have said is what the perp used here.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:48 am
by featureless
California gun laws these days are predicated on stopping mass shootings. The truth is, laws will never be able to prevent horrific shit from happening. Ever. Because the people doing horrific shit don't follow laws.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:45 am
by Wino
I reiterate - until humanity ceases to exist is when this problem will be resolved. Make laws, ban guns, restrict ownership, do whatever - human nature will prevail in all it's stupidity until no more. We all know responsible gun owners are not the problem, albeit sometimes they also fail - to err is human, as is blaming someone or something else for gun problems.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 12:01 pm
by highdesert
There is a press conference going on now, not much new. The victims are 5 female and 5 male. LA County has 88 cities but only about 5 cities have homicide units including LAPD, for the other cities like Monterey Park, the LA Sheriff's Dept homicide unit does the investigations. LA County has about 25% of the population of CA, which is close to 40 million.

They didn't say if the Monterey Park and Alhambra shootings are connected. The Alhambra shooting didn't involve an ASW. The LA County Sheriff didn't answer a question about the caliber of the weapon used in the Monterey Park shooting.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:02 pm
by Bisbee
Waking up to details of this shooting which hits very, very close to home. I’ll share more on this later.

But details of this developing case are as follows:
The mass shooting happened at Star Ballroom in MP with at least ten people killed and double that injured. 20 minutes later an Asian male walked into another dance studio, Lai Lai Ballroom (about 3 miles away and caters to the same Asian demographic) with a handgun. He was disarmed by the patrons upon seeing him enter. Nobody was injured at the second location.

I was actually dancing at another ballroom at another part of town when this happened… and no, I did not go there strapped. I have been to Star Ballroom for Tango events on many, many occasions and know the owners, a Chinese couple, who are almost always there working hard for each event for many decades now. I am truly feeling terrible this morning.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:48 pm
by CDFingers
Love gone bad; guy shot a bunch of others then himself. Dang.

CDFingers

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:00 pm
by Bisbee
Is that your suspicion? That may turn out to be the case.

Anyway, a potential suspect in white van has been stopped in the city of Torrance, 30
Miles southwest of Monterey Park. Currently in standoff with police. No movement from the driver inside the white van.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/los-an ... 064d34f49d

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:07 pm
by featureless
Bisbee, glad you're physically safe and so sorry to know of your personal connection.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:26 pm
by highdesert
LASD has a picture of the shooter.
https://twitter.com/LACoSheriff/status/ ... 6710962178

LASD tracked a white van, SWAT boxed in the vehicle in Torrance and approached. One person inside dead due to self inflicted gunshot wound reported in link.
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/ap-pol ... area-city/

Slow news cycle, even the BBC is following it. They have video.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-64365251

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:57 pm
by Bisbee
CD must have a crystal ball…. Everything is playing out pretty much as he described.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:32 pm
by highdesert
Tragic for the families and the community, supposed to be a happy weekend with Lunar New Year. LA County Sheriff Robert Luna is new, he was formerly police chief in Long Beach, CA. Waiting confirmation from the Sheriff if it's over.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:56 pm
by wings
Bisbee, I want to offer my condolences. Some of my communities have been rocked by mass shootings over the years, and I feel it. Witnessed a shooting on La Brea many years ago. I am grateful that you are unharmed. I would never dance strapped either.

The LA Times has this piece suggesting the white van driver was found dead.
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... s-shooting

i hate this.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:09 pm
by Bisbee
This situation is totally FUBAR. It’s likely that a jealous husband (in an unhappy marriage, in a culture that doesn’t easily allow for divorce) influenced by a culture of toxic masculinity, suddenly snaps and basically ruined a social celebration -not just within the Chinese American dance community but- for the entire Chinese New Year festivities planned for Monterey Park, one of the largest Asian Pacific Islander populations in America. This is not just about a loss for Chinese people anymore but has affected all those who would have come to participate in celebrations from all over LA. Goddamned pebble has spread waves of unintended consequences to affect the whole community. Unlike the Las Vegas shooter who clearly entended to send a message of self-importance to the nation, this little fecker probably just wanted to his wife and her friends dead because he felt personally disrespected.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:20 pm
by highdesert
Glad you're safe Bisbee. Some people thought the gun shots were firecrackers going off.
Dance instructor David DuVal taught at the studio, most recently samba and tango on Thursday morning. He said the studio has Saturday night parties and that a lot of people who attend are older. “60s would be young.” “There’s definitely going to be people in their 70s, 80s, people in their 90s,” he said. “A lot of people I teach are older people. I have a feeling it could be one of them or people I know.”
DuVal said there are couples who have been going there for a decade or more, many who are retired; some are in their 90s “and still dancing.” “It’s old people dancing to music for fun. It’s their exercise,” he said.
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... -shooting#

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 7:14 pm
by wings
When I saw that shooting on La Brea, I thought it was a car backfiring at first. It took a moment to process. I wasn't really familiar with the sound of gunfire at the time.

Now that I am, it still took me a moment to process a balloon popping in a biergarten. I don't think anyone should put too much reliance on training to a specific standard of reaction time for signal-draw-shoot. The first two steps in the OODA loop are Observe and Orient. It take longer than you think.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 7:54 pm
by CDFingers
Bisbee wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:57 pm CD must have a crystal ball…. Everything is playing out pretty much as he described.
I happened to catch a live feed and a woman was talking to another saying that. When a culture does not allow marriages to break up peacefully, this is one result. It is too bad men feel this is an option. Almost never will a woman seek this kind of thing. May peace be upon the survivors and the families.

CDFingers

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:35 pm
by highdesert
Last press conference of the day. Sheriff Luna said the shooter's name is Huu Can Tran,
he was 72 yrs old. They found a handgun in the white van where he was found dead. At the Alhambra location where he went first, he was disarmed by someone there and the Sheriff said that firearm taken from him was an "assault pistol", not assault rifle with a large extended mag.

He said they don't know the motive at this time.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:55 pm
by SunRiseWest
So sorry, Bisbee. This hits me hard, too, though not quite as close to home-- happened about 20 minutes from my house, 15 minutes from the LGS for the RR, and 12 minutes from my Monday AA meeting. Definitely a shitty way to wake up this morning, was the first news story I saw.

Man, 72 years old. Thinking about this haunts me-- that someone could make it that far in life, and then screw up everything at the 11th (or 10th) hour.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:12 am
by F4FEver
highdesert wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 7:59 am A lot of people were out for the Lunar New Year celebration. LA County Sheriff's Dept is investigating, latest reports state shooter was male but no description and he used a rifle. Gangs or drugs or both ?
Or neither.
We all know responsible gun owners are not the problem, albeit sometimes they also fail - to err is human, as is blaming someone or something else for gun problems.
Unfortunately, too many gun owners are NOT responsible....Turns out the shooter WAS a gun owner, a legal one??
Jealous guy takes out his gun...

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:25 pm
by Buck13
Bisbee wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:02 pm Waking up to details of this shooting which hits very, very close to home. I’ll share more on this later.

But details of this developing case are as follows:
The mass shooting happened at Star Ballroom in MP with at least ten people killed and double that injured. 20 minutes later an Asian male walked into another dance studio, Lai Lai Ballroom (about 3 miles away and caters to the same Asian demographic) with a handgun. He was disarmed by the patrons upon seeing him enter. Nobody was injured at the second location.

I was actually dancing at another ballroom at another part of town when this happened… and no, I did not go there strapped. I have been to Star Ballroom for Tango events on many, many occasions and know the owners, a Chinese couple, who are almost always there working hard for each event for many decades now. I am truly feeling terrible this morning.
Holy Moley! This is too close! My sincere condolences.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:26 pm
by Buck13
highdesert wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:35 pm the Sheriff said that firearm taken from him was an "assault pistol", not assault rifle with a large extended mag.
Does that mean an AR pistol, or just a Glock with a 33 round mag?

Ah, a Cobray M11, according to CNN. Lovely.

Not that it matters, much.

Re: Shooting in LA

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:59 pm
by featureless
Buck13 wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:26 pm
highdesert wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:35 pm the Sheriff said that firearm taken from him was an "assault pistol", not assault rifle with a large extended mag.
Does that mean an AR pistol, or just a Glock with a 33 round mag?

Ah, a Cobray M11, according to CNN. Lovely.

Not that it matters, much.
That is legally defined as an assault handgun in CA. Probably just a handgun most other places.