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Re: Henry Unveils new semi-auto PCC. Accepts S&W, Glock and Sig Mags.

5 by INVICTVS138
tonguengroover wrote:Different. I like wood furniture, like the Ruger Mini 14. I already have a 9mm carbine that folds up and takes Glock mags, the sub 2k. Prolly not as accurate as this one.
So what is this rifle for? Holding down the fort?
Just plinking and maybe wabbits?
I think just fun and plinking. If I’m carrying a long arm into the field, it’s usually a shotgun for hunting. Too expensive for a truck gun.

I like the mag commonality - the only one to offer S&W M&P mags so that’s the niche for me.


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Re: Henry Unveils new semi-auto PCC. Accepts S&W, Glock and Sig Mags.

12 by F4FEver
tonguengroover wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:32 pm
SubRosa wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:18 pm Too bad it is made by a guy knee-deep in Trumpisms on some of their guns.
True that. Which is why I won't buy one. His donations and love of the NRA and trump sucks.
Me too...I have a Ruger PCC, breakdown, that replaced my prone to failure, 1022. It fills that niche for me. Plinker that doesn't cost a ton, to own or shoot.

Henry Unveils new semi-auto PCC. Accepts S&W, Glock and Sig Mags.

13 by INVICTVS138
Pretty hard to avoid giving Trumpers money whilst buying firearms … I get that Anthony Imperato is just more overt about it.

Ruger is pretty all in on the NRA:

https://newpol.org/ruger-and-the-far-right-nra/

In the link above:

The New York Times wrote that Ruger “directed $10 million to the N.R.A. in 2015 and 2016.” You recall that 2016 was that special year when $50 million of NRA money went to elect Donald Trump and friends.
About the only way you can avoid it doing it is buy all private sale, used firearms, and I try to do that first anyways. But I’m still going to buy Rugers & Henry’s if I want them.


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Re: Henry Unveils new semi-auto PCC. Accepts S&W, Glock and Sig Mags.

14 by Mikeinmich
The concept is interesting but my cz scorpion (also a 9mm semi) is totally awesome (who wouldn’t like the fact that it still fires when folded for that true gangsta experience), is very accurate, and costs the same. You can even buy a timney trigger for it (which I have and which makes it even more awesome lol). And that’s even before weighing any political ramifications. So I will pass.

Re: Henry Unveils new semi-auto PCC. Accepts S&W, Glock and Sig Mags.

15 by CowboyT
The concept of the 9mm carbine just never really appealed to me, probably because you don't get that much more velocity out of the 9mm/40S&W/45ACP cartridges out of a rifle vs. a handgun. Now, I think 9mm handguns are a very good thing.

If I'm going to shoot a rifle chambered for a handgun cartridge, it's going to be one that actually gives me a significant velocity--and thus power--advantage vs. the handgun. That means .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, .45 Colt, and .454 Casull. Any of these cartridges will give you a 400 to 500 ft/sec advantage in a revolver. Power delivered to the target is roughly double that out of the handgun.

Not saying the 9mm carbines aren't fun. They are. I just personally prefer the leverguns chambered for the revolver cartridges, for the reason stated above.
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Re: Henry Unveils new semi-auto PCC. Accepts S&W, Glock and Sig Mags.

16 by papajim2jordan
CowboyT wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:24 pm The concept of the 9mm carbine just never really appealed to me, probably because you don't get that much more velocity out of the 9mm/40S&W/45ACP cartridges out of a rifle vs. a handgun. Now, I think 9mm handguns are a very good thing.

If I'm going to shoot a rifle chambered for a handgun cartridge, it's going to be one that actually gives me a significant velocity--and thus power--advantage vs. the handgun. That means .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, .45 Colt, and .454 Casull. Any of these cartridges will give you a 400 to 500 ft/sec advantage in a revolver. Power delivered to the target is roughly double that out of the handgun.

Not saying the 9mm carbines aren't fun. They are. I just personally prefer the leverguns chambered for the revolver cartridges, for the reason stated above.
rifle chambered for a handgun cartridge
That means .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, .45 Colt, and .454 Casull.
Like this?

https://ruger.com/products/77Series77357/models.html

I know it's not self loading, but...
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Re: Henry Unveils new semi-auto PCC. Accepts S&W, Glock and Sig Mags.

17 by CowboyT
Yes. Also something like this.

https://www.gunmart.net/gun-reviews/fir ... s/ruger-96
https://rossiusa.com/rifles/lever-action-rifles
https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/big-boy ... side-gate/

You're right, not quite autoloaders, but a levergun can be actuated pretty quickly with a bit of practice. So can a bolt gun. The Ruger 96/44 in particular is a very smooth action and lends itself remarkably well to repeated fire. Also, the magazines are compact and easily carried around.

For an autoloader, the Ruger Deerfield comes to mind.
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Re: Henry Unveils new semi-auto PCC. Accepts S&W, Glock and Sig Mags.

18 by FrontSight
What I love about this PCC is the "sporting" style. I like that someone is addressing the, for lack of a better term..."FUDD" market. I don't mean that as a political statement, I'm just saying there are people who like blue steel and wood, and I'm happy to see this option for them. I'm pretty thick on PCC's, and I don't care for Henry's politics, so I don't really see me EVER owning a Henry unless someone just offers one to me at an obscene price. Truth be told, ALL the gun companies are Trump supporters, so I guess it doesn't matter.

But the market is VERY thick with military style PCC's so hopefully this one finds a place in the market. Who knows, maybe the public just isn't interested in wood and blue steel anymore?
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Re: Henry Unveils new semi-auto PCC. Accepts S&W, Glock and Sig Mags.

19 by Elmo
Interesting design choice by Henry to capture the lever gun vibe in a PCC. This will appeal to some.

Now, if Ruger ever makes a wood stock for its PC Carbine to catch the PSH-41 vibe, I and a shit ton of others will be all over that.
Just a few days ago I messaged Boyds to ask about plans for a wood stock for the Ruger PC Carbine. They said, "No plans, too much inletting required."
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Re: Henry Unveils new semi-auto PCC. Accepts S&W, Glock and Sig Mags.

20 by INVICTVS138
CowboyT wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:24 pm

Not saying the 9mm carbines aren't fun. They are. I just personally prefer the leverguns chambered for the revolver cartridges, for the reason stated above.
I prefer leverguns too, for exact reasons you stated. They really do add a lot to the performance of a cartridge like .357.

There’s some good discussion here about the “fudd” aesthetics of this carbine, Henry as a company , etc. For me - the main selling point is that Henry is making this compatible with S&W M&P magazines. No other manufacturer is doing that. I’m more heavily invested into the M&P platform.

I have a theory - Ruger won’t make a S&W (or beretta) magwell insert for their PCC Because they see them as too much of a competitor across the various market segments, but they will for Glock, Because Glock isn’t into the PCC business, and they know they’ll sell better to to the popular Glock pistol market. Henry seems to want to cover the spread since they are a long gun company with out a pistol for sale. So they will make the insert that are a gap in the market if they can. I think it’s a smart strategy.

I’m a huge Ruger revolver fan both single and double action. (And rifles) I’ve owned several Ruger semi-autos in the past and they are perfectly accurate reliable and adequate. My issue with Rugers semi-autos is that they are changing the Magazine “backwards” compatibility with each new generation of pistol . P series, SR series, American, Security, etc, etc all have different and confusing magazine compatibility. They are an innovative company but they drive me nuts with the proprietary magazine issue. Plus, thier spare mags are always like $40 compared to $20-$25 for others. Glock and S&W - in the main- do not do this. I can put my G17 mag in the G19, 19x, 27, Ruger carbine, Keltec, etc. I only have to buy one type of Mag. Same for S&W M&P & M&P 2.0 - backwards compatibility. Comparability between the full size, compact, sub-compact. So far we haven’t had a carbine.

Re: Henry Unveils new semi-auto PCC. Accepts S&W, Glock and Sig Mags.

21 by CowboyT
Gotta acknowledge the proprietary and ever-changing magazine problem with Ruger firearms, yeah. The SR9 magazines are not compatible with the Ruger American or the Security-9, yet all three of them are in 9mm Luger. That's where they make a lot of their money, apparently. Same applies for the Ruger 96/44 levergun and the 77/44 bolt-action; the magazines, despite use of the same cartridge, do not have shared compatibility. That really stinks, and there's no good reason for it other than corporate profits. With that said, the 96/44 really is a fine levergun.

I think the other reason Ruger made their PC Carbine compatible with Glock magazines is that Glock is the 800-lb elephant in the pistol market, and people are getting tired of having to buy proprietary magazines all the freakin' time. People ask us about the PC Carbine here and there. Their eyes kinda gloss over until I mention Glock magazine compatibility; then they get interested. I know for a fact that I can take a factory Glock Gen 5 magazine and have it work in, say, a Glock Gen 3 pistol.
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Re: Henry Unveils new semi-auto PCC. Accepts S&W, Glock and Sig Mags.

23 by mitchgroup
Just an FYI, Anthony from Henry has to play the game to stay in business. Who do you think buys the majority of his product. That’s not to say there aren’t a slew of liberals in the company including their agency ( for over 30 years) that does all their photos , catalogs, decals, flyers and ads plus one of their VPs. By the way I got my HO27 carbine yesterday. Can’t wait to marry it with my Glock Mags. As another side note, I think I’ve said this before. Any engraved Henry Trumpanzee rifle you may see was never marketed by Henry. Those were blank rifles sold to a third party who went ahead and engraved them and marketed them independent of the factory. It was done by a distributor.

Re: Henry Unveils new semi-auto PCC. Accepts S&W, Glock and Sig Mags.

25 by tonguengroover
Yeah Anthony is a paisan. Knows business. Let's his rifles and his donations go south you might say.
I know how those business men think. My father was one.
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