Wino wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:40 am As posted before, I carry anywhere that accesses front yard - trash/recycle bins, mail, newspaper, open garage door, walking across street to give or receive something from neighbor or walking Jake. Night before last we had multiple shootings at main intersection of my street - no one hurt, but cops everywhere, no perps caught. I do leave spare mags for my EDC in garaged F150 door panel, but never leave pistol, During recent AC repairs my EDC was on me and bedside was in safe until mechanic gone. Not sure this thread applies to me as I'm not a Dem - left leaning moderate independent, so guess I'm exempt !! LOL

CDFingers wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:50 am I find gun safety awareness and adulting both to be non partisan.

CDFingers

BKinzey wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:04 pm Here's a California DOJ Approved safe:

https://www.amazon.com/RPNB-Quick-Acces ... 9hdGY&th=1

If you have kids in your home this might be a good thing to have. Looks to be electronic though, watch Diviant Ollam's videos on YouTube on how easy it is to open these types of safes with a paper clip or magnet.

How fast do you think a burglar would be able to open this with tools and objects found in your home? If it's not bolted down, what's stoping the burglar from carrying it off? If it is bolted to something how easy is it to remove?

So there is a state approved safe that meets the state's requirements but it certainly doesn't meet mine but hey, it's Security Theater!

CDFingers wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:20 pm

BKinzey wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:04 pm Here's a California DOJ Approved safe:

https://www.amazon.com/RPNB-Quick-Acces ... 9hdGY&th=1

If you have kids in your home this might be a good thing to have. Looks to be electronic though, watch Diviant Ollam's videos on YouTube on how easy it is to open these types of safes with a paper clip or magnet.

How fast do you think a burglar would be able to open this with tools and objects found in your home? If it's not bolted down, what's stoping the burglar from carrying it off? If it is bolted to something how easy is it to remove?

So there is a state approved safe that meets the state's requirements but it certainly doesn't meet mine but hey, it's Security Theater!

For that reason and dead batteries, it is best to use mechanical tumblers. There are single gun cases that lock with mechanical combo dials like on a briefcase but a bit more robust. Here are some from Lowe's, but Sportsman's Warehouse and many other big box stores have them.

https://www.lowes.com/pl/Locking-handgu ... 4294650547

CDFingers

BKinzey wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:50 pm

CDFingers wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:20 pm

BKinzey wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:04 pm Here's a California DOJ Approved safe:

https://www.amazon.com/RPNB-Quick-Acces ... 9hdGY&th=1

If you have kids in your home this might be a good thing to have. Looks to be electronic though, watch Diviant Ollam's videos on YouTube on how easy it is to open these types of safes with a paper clip or magnet.

How fast do you think a burglar would be able to open this with tools and objects found in your home? If it's not bolted down, what's stoping the burglar from carrying it off? If it is bolted to something how easy is it to remove?

So there is a state approved safe that meets the state's requirements but it certainly doesn't meet mine but hey, it's Security Theater!

I have a big one, and it's bolted to the floor and back wall. If I had one of those bitty bitty ones under my bed, I'd be an idiot, but I'd bolt it to the floor. The big tumbler safe locked in a closet such as I have is a pretty good set up. I no longer have kids in the house, so at night revolver comes out and sleeps with us and goes back in in the morning. Like I say, I'm too old for fist fights, but I'm still a good shot.

Nothing is foolproof. But it is foolish to do nothing.

CDFingers
For that reason and dead batteries, it is best to use mechanical tumblers. There are single gun cases that lock with mechanical combo dials like on a briefcase but a bit more robust. Here are some from Lowe's, but Sportsman's Warehouse and many other big box stores have them.

https://www.lowes.com/pl/Locking-handgu ... 4294650547

CDFingers

How fast do you think a burglar would be able to open this with tools and objects found in your home? If it's not bolted down, what's stoping the burglar from carrying it off? If it is bolted to something how easy is it to remove?

You've promoted safe storage laws. I've shown an example of a state approved safe that is nothing more than security theater. Tumblers or not, you've provided more examples of security theater in the event of a burglary.

Oh yes, having a walk in vault in your home would be best, but one of the major objections to firearm storage is having the state involved, which I used an example of the state being involved.

A California mother has been charged with child cruelty after her 15-year-old son allegedly caused a fatal car crash, police said.

In June, an officer from the Bakersfield Police Department said they witnessed a Dodge Challenger driving through the grass at Polo Park. When the officer attempted to pull over the car, police said the driver fled. The driver apparently lost control of the Challenger and crashed into a tree on Noriega Road, injuring himself and three teen passengers who were inside, police said.

Media coverage at the time reported that a teenage boy in the front passenger seat was critically injured in the collision. Now, police have revealed one occupant of the vehicle died.

A Bakersfield woman told authorities she gave her 15-year-old son the keys to her Dodge Challenger with the expectation he would only make a quick trip to the market and come straight home. But authorities say the teen went on a joy ride with three passengers, driving on city streets at 100 mph before careering through Polo Community Park, leading police on a chase then crashing into a tree. Candie Springer, the boy’s mother, is facing a felony child cruelty charge and a misdemeanor charge of allowing an unlicensed driver to operate a motor vehicle. She’s free on $20,500 bail and has a preliminary hearing scheduled next month. Springer, 45, told police no one was supposed to be in the car with her son, according to the reports filed in Superior Court.

The teen, whose name is redacted from the reports, is charged in juvenile court with vehicular manslaughter with gross negligence and fleeing the scene, among other related offenses, according to the District Attorney’s office. He has a hearing scheduled later this month. He admitted to being “dumb” and driving recklessly, the reports say. “Numerous witnesses were interviewed in connection to this incident and confirmed that not only was (the teen) driving recklessly through the park prior to (an officer’s) arrival and at the time (the officer) arrived, but also that (the officer’s) overhead and blue emergency lights were activated at the time he was pursuing after (the Dodge) as (the teen) was attempting to flee the scene,” an investigator wrote in the documents.

It’s estimated the Dodge was traveling 43 mph when it hit the tree as the teen attempted to turn from Noriega Road onto Philadelphia Avenue, documents said. The teen ran but was immediately caught. The front of the car caught fire. Two passengers managed to get out on their own, the reports say, but the passenger in the front seat had been knocked unconscious and an officer removed him from the car. The driver suffered a broken right arm and right ankle, according to the documents. One passenger had a cut tongue, another a cut to his head and a broken left hand, the reports say. The front seat passenger suffered major head trauma, according to the documents, and was taken to Children’s Hospital Los Angeles. He died the morning of June 22, documents said.

I have to believe that in fact the accident may well have prevented a far more serious accident.

CDFingers wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:50 am I find gun safety awareness and adulting both to be non partisan.

CDFingers

F4FEver wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:29 am

CDFingers wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:50 am I find gun safety awareness and adulting both to be non partisan.

CDFingers

And often non-existant, good versions of either. No training required to either own a gun or have a kid...

NEWPORT NEWS, Va. (AP) — Despite multiple failed drug tests, a judge rejected a request by prosecutors Thursday to revoke the bond of the mother of a 6-year-old who shot his teacher in Virginia as she awaits sentencing on a federal weapons charge that she used marijuana while possessing a firearm.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Douglas Miller said during a hearing in U.S. District Court that Deja Taylor can remain free on bond despite the failed drug tests because she has made efforts to improve.

Taylor’s son used her gun to shoot teacher Abby Zwerner in her Newport News classroom in January. The first-grade teacher was seriously wounded and has endured multiple surgeries.

Taylor pleaded guilty in June to using marijuana while possessing a firearm. Authorities say she also lied about her drug use on a federal background check form when she bought the gun her son brought to school.

But she’s apparently been making progress — as evidenced that she tested clean of all substances during a test in early September — so he told her he was willing to give her one more chance. “I’m relying on you to do the responsible thing, and your willingness to do it,” Miller told her. Miller asked prosecutors to tell him about any more positive tests going forward. If she gets another one, he told Taylor, “we will have to take appropriate action at that time.”

Federal prosecutors asked that Taylor be jailed until her Oct. 18 sentencing date. That came after she failed two drug tests in July and August — with two positive results for marijuana and one for cocaine. She’s also missed several screenings and failed to show for treatment a couple times. “This is not just one instance of her making a mistake,” said Assistant U.S. Attorney Lisa McKeel in asking that the bond be revoked. Instead, she said, there have been “repeated violations over a period of time.”

CDFingers wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:28 am The mother failed at adulting:

NEWPORT NEWS, Va. (AP) — Despite multiple failed drug tests, a judge rejected a request by prosecutors Thursday to revoke the bond of the mother of a 6-year-old who shot his teacher in Virginia as she awaits sentencing on a federal weapons charge that she used marijuana while possessing a firearm.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Douglas Miller said during a hearing in U.S. District Court that Deja Taylor can remain free on bond despite the failed drug tests because she has made efforts to improve.

Taylor’s son used her gun to shoot teacher Abby Zwerner in her Newport News classroom in January. The first-grade teacher was seriously wounded and has endured multiple surgeries.

Taylor pleaded guilty in June to using marijuana while possessing a firearm. Authorities say she also lied about her drug use on a federal background check form when she bought the gun her son brought to school.

https://apnews.com/article/teacher-shot ... b36f47393d

I don't get it.

CDFingers

The 3-year-old son of a North Carolina pastor accidentally shot his 2-year-old brother in the head with their father’s gun in a church parking lot — and is miraculously expected to make a full recovery.

The incident occurred around 8:30 p.m. Sunday outside River Valley Baptist Church in Morganton — a city about 75 miles northwest of Charlotte.

The pastor of the church, Rev. Adam Vines, told WBTV that his older son had gotten hold of a gun in the side door of the family’s parked van and accidentally fired the weapon, injuring his younger brother, Daniel Vines.

The Vines family were attending an evening church service at the time of the shooting.