Single Action Zen

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So the past few months have been excruciating in terms of paperwork and electronic errands and busywork, which SunRise hates, particularly around the holiday season, but I have to say, being the owner of a new, bar-bones, single action convertible .22 / .22 mag revolver does ease the aggravated nerves.

Like, I'm teetering on the brink of atavistic rage because the sensors on some stupid smart device won't link to the central whatever so they can do their digital circle jerk that seemed to be really important a few hours ago, but... the batteries may be dead, or the IP address might be wrong... my blood pressure starts rising...

And then I flip open the pistol case and just stare at it for a moment:
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Everything is so tangible, so few moving parts-- the lack of anything opaque in it's form and function is soothing to the soul, just thinking about it. Yeah, sure, something could go wrong... a round might fail to fire. And then I'd cock the hammer and try again. There would be no IP address, no pairing issue, no protocol mismatch. On the Rough Rider, you can tell what most of the parts are just by looking at them.

I've been thinking about getting a smaller DA revolver for travel or scoping the back yard when I don't want to be carrying around something ten inches long, but the past few days... I'm also wondering: Maybe I'll just get a barkeep. It's only an inch or an inch and a half smaller, but if something went wrong with one of the guns, I could probably cannibalize the other to fix it. Maybe I should just become a single-action guy.

It just... makes me feel so peaceful. Maybe if we all had them-- if they were the only kind of gun sold, but were freely available-- no one would use them to kill each other because they're just so simple, so cool, such an effective balm for frayed nerves.

I need a vacation. And my psychiatrist needs a raise.

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Glad you guys get it! How did I wind up posting this in "Rifles"?!

Sorry about that! I got lost somewhere under "Hardware," I guess.

I am easily confused.... by anything except SA, I guess. Which brings up another advantage: When I begin losing my marbles? The SA is the last one that I need to give up. Seems like a fantastic Alzheimer's gun that you could still safely use right up until the point when you can't operate your vehicle.

The Mark II will be donated/sold at cost to a younger, healthier friend when I lose the ability to execute more complex tasks. For example, when I can no longer figure out my home recording software or navigate an insurance company website? I probably won't be able to field strip the Mark II, either. And if I ever reach the point where I can't find the YouTube video that walks me through it, that's a sure sign it has to go.

I'll be able to keep the Makarov a few years after that.

But as long as I can count 'one-skip-two-three-four-five', I'm probably safe with the SA. That will be my mini-mental competency exam.

Sorry-- I get a little gloomy in the run-up to the holidays, but I always rally around the 23rd or so!

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Ah yes, the epitome of this feeling of zen would be holding a Colt Single Action Army. Even if you just paw it, appreciate its case hardened finish, the C-O-L-T jeweled sound of the action as you pull back the hammer -and never shoot the gun- it is a somewhat a zen-like experience.

And then you put in a Sergio Leoni western while the weight of your “peacemaker” sits reassuringly on your lap. This feeling gets close to what you worked all these years for to realize the dream from when you were 10, playing western shootout with your friends, and romaticizing what the real gun must be like.

And then after a while you sell the Colt SAA both because the idea of owning a safe-queen is abhorrent to your pragmatic sensibilities and you’ve now realized a childhood dream and know it to be illusion.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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Bisbee wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:34 pm Ah yes, the epitome of this feeling of zen would be holding a Colt Single Action Army. Even if you just paw it, appreciate its case hardened finish, the C-O-L-T jeweled sound of the action as you pull back the hammer -and never shoot the gun- it is a somewhat a zen-like experience.

And then you put in a Sergio Leoni western while the weight of your “peacemaker” sits reassuringly on your lap. This feeling gets close to what you worked all these years for to realize the dream from when you were 10, playing western shootout with your friends, and romaticizing what the real gun must be like.

And then after a while you sell the Colt SAA both because the idea of owning a safe-queen is abhorrent to your pragmatic sensibilities and you’ve now realized a childhood dream and know it to be illusion.
Man, I love me some Leone. Strangely though, I totally didn't get into single actions because of Westerns. Thought they were terribly impractical, didn't see the point in a world that has double actions. Then I shot one. Damn. One shot was all it took. Okay, loading it up and punching out brass, that was all part and parcel. I developed a love for the pace - load one, skip one, load four, close the gate. Aim, cock, fire. Repeat. Open the gate. Punch the brass out. Repeat. That's the zen part for me.

Also, I might have fallen in love with the feel of a .45 in a properly sized gun.

As to pragmatic sensibilities and abandoning the illusion of desire? Well, isn't that zen too?

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Spot on, Wings. The impracticality and sheer mechanical nature of every aspect of manipulating and shooting these SAA clones are what gives them that lovely character and fun. You know you are shooting these for sheer pleasure & pastime BECAUSE there simply are more functional guns for everything else. It’s always like playing Westerns again as old children.

And yes, knowing that you are just playing out a childhood fantasy is part of growing self-awareness. “Zen & the Art of Plinking with Cowboy Revolvers in Middle Age.”

And yes, CD, I also ended up purchasing the New Vaquero because they shared the old Colt’s overall balance and profile, even if they share none of the internals nor sensitivity for their timing. (Ruger Vaqueros are safer, cheaper to make, and more robust than the Colt SAA.) I could shoot the Ruger. I personally could never justify shooting the expensive Colt.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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Another thing neat that I learned from shooting my Vaquero was how to fling it forward with my thumb on the hammer spur to cock it. That's also another reason I sold my Bisley model Vaquero, the hammer spur: I am not an English gentleman. Truth be told, it's unlikely I'm even an American gentleman.

CDFingers
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If it weren't for ZANE GREY and his novels I doubt we'd have as many great western movies.
I like shooting my Vaquero and Blackhawk two handed and cock with my opposing thumb when I want to shoot fast.
My new Vaquero came with a light trigger like 2lbs. I love it. Wish I had one of them guages
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Somewhere between the biggest chunk and nearly most of the rounds fires out of my DA's have been single action. Much more that light target loads and the time to reacquire the sights slows it to SA speed, at least for me. Paper just sits there and waits for you to shoot anyway. Silly paper. The only real advantage w/DA for myself is load-unload speed.

Single action, manual loading, small capacity fixed “magazine”. Even Joe B. could learn to love it!
I ordered a case of optimism from Amazon, but porch pirates beat me to it. Still, chin-up.

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SunRiseWest wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:21 pm
--snrps--
CDFingers wrote: Another thing neat that I learned from shooting my Vaquero was how to fling it forward with my thumb on the hammer spur to cock it. That's also another reason I sold my Bisley model Vaquero, the hammer spur: I am not an English gentleman. Truth be told, it's unlikely I'm even an American gentleman.

CDFingers
I'll have to try that one I'm totally confident with the RR, I think I know what you mean-- like, after the barrel pops up from (for me, negligible!) recoil, you fling it forward, cocking with the thumb of your shooting hand?

--snrps--
Yes. To me it's a hand gun, not a hands gun. ;-0

CDFingers
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I absolutely LOVE my single actions and I'd rather shoot them over any of my other handguns.

I have a 4 5/8" Colt in .45 Colt, and a 7.5" Uberti in .38-40; both are tack drivers, and both are an absolute joy to shoot.
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I guess I don’t understand the fascination with a SA only revolver. All DA/SA revolvers that I have are just as easy to shoot single action, which I prefer to do. But, a single action only can never be shot double action. Somehow, I don’t get why defending a SAO on the basis that it will be that last gun confiscated is somehow a redeeming quality. Yes, I agree shoot what you enjoy. Revolvers are among my favorites and the only gun I carry for protection and five rounds at that.
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sikacz wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 7:02 pm I guess I don’t understand the fascination with a SA only revolver. All DA/SA revolvers that I have are just as easy to shoot single action, which I prefer to do. But, a single action only can never be shot double action. Somehow, I don’t get why defending a SAO on the basis that it will be that last gun confiscated is somehow a redeeming quality. Yes, I agree shoot what you enjoy. Revolvers are among my favorites and the only gun I carry for protection and five rounds at that.
Did I defend SAO on that basis? It's certainly an intriguing point, that had occurred to me and I might have mentioned that somewhere, but by itself, that wouldn't be enough to influence my purchase. I ruled out SA initially because it reminded me of the bolt-action rifles I shot in summer camp-- working the bolt totally made me lose my focus and concentration, while cocking a revolver can be done much faster, and involves simpler, shorter, less distracting movements. SA revolvers also have fewer moving parts, and should require less maintenance than DA's, though the difference may be very minor. And expense is another consideration: I do want to get a smaller DA revolver at some point, but that's a more complicated decision involving more money. For $140, this was a much simpler choice!

Another point: With my SA/DA Mak, I do find the first shot distracting, though I like the idea of needing more trigger pressure to fire the first round for safety reasons. I always find myself standing there and wincing, pulling gently on the trigger and thinking, "When will it actually fire?!" I could get used to that, but it does take my head out of the game. (And it doesn't take much, it seems!)

The fact that an SA 22/22 mag revolver does not have to be rostered really brought home to me the stupidity of many gun restrictions, at least as they are written. This thing isn't a frickin' airsoft gun, and it's more capable than a lot of pistols that are banned.

Now, of course, I am thinking about .22 DA revolver with a barrel of 3 inches or less. And the question of what to get, and what is actually available and might be in stock somewhere, seems complicated, frustrating, and overwhelming. From what I can tell-- and these are questions, often based on inference or rumor, though they are framed as statements:

* There are no convertible 22/22 mag DA's, generally, and certainly none in California.
* For .22 or .22 mag, I am limited to Ruger LCRs, Taurus 942s, or a variety of expensive offerings from S&W that aren't that well reviewed.
* Taurus 942s are rarely in stock.

I'm leaning strongly towards a 942 if I can find one. It's hard to get someone to pick up the phone at a gun store, the inventory listed online (for the few stores that do list inventory) is often not accurate, so I've got to plan a series of expeditions.

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SunRiseWest wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:24 pm Glad you guys get it! How did I wind up posting this in "Rifles"?!

Sorry about that! I got lost somewhere under "Hardware," I guess.

I am easily confused.... by anything except SA, I guess. Which brings up another advantage: When I begin losing my marbles? The SA is the last one that I need to give up. Seems like a fantastic Alzheimer's gun that you could still safely use right up until the point when you can't operate your vehicle.

The Mark II will be donated/sold at cost to a younger, healthier friend when I lose the ability to execute more complex tasks. For example, when I can no longer figure out my home recording software or navigate an insurance company website? I probably won't be able to field strip the Mark II, either. And if I ever reach the point where I can't find the YouTube video that walks me through it, that's a sure sign it has to go.

I'll be able to keep the Makarov a few years after that.

But as long as I can count 'one-skip-two-three-four-five', I'm probably safe with the SA. That will be my mini-mental competency exam.

Sorry-- I get a little gloomy in the run-up to the holidays, but I always rally around the 23rd or so!
Well perhaps not exactly SAO , SA not much of a difference, but as I said if it gets your zen go for it.
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SunRiseWest wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:10 pm
sikacz wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 7:02 pm I guess I don’t understand the fascination with a SA only revolver. All DA/SA revolvers that I have are just as easy to shoot single action, which I prefer to do. But, a single action only can never be shot double action. Somehow, I don’t get why defending a SAO on the basis that it will be that last gun confiscated is somehow a redeeming quality. Yes, I agree shoot what you enjoy. Revolvers are among my favorites and the only gun I carry for protection and five rounds at that.
Did I defend SAO on that basis? It's certainly an intriguing point, that had occurred to me and I might have mentioned that somewhere, but by itself, that wouldn't be enough to influence my purchase. I ruled out SA initially because it reminded me of the bolt-action rifles I shot in summer camp-- working the bolt totally made me lose my focus and concentration, while cocking a revolver can be done much faster, and involves simpler, shorter, less distracting movements. SA revolvers also have fewer moving parts, and should require less maintenance than DA's, though the difference may be very minor. And expense is another consideration: I do want to get a smaller DA revolver at some point, but that's a more complicated decision involving more money. For $140, this was a much simpler choice!

Another point: With my SA/DA Mak, I do find the first shot distracting, though I like the idea of needing more trigger pressure to fire the first round for safety reasons. I always find myself standing there and wincing, pulling gently on the trigger and thinking, "When will it actually fire?!" I could get used to that, but it does take my head out of the game. (And it doesn't take much, it seems!)

The fact that an SA 22/22 mag revolver does not have to be rostered really brought home to me the stupidity of many gun restrictions, at least as they are written. This thing isn't a frickin' airsoft gun, and it's more capable than a lot of pistols that are banned.

Now, of course, I am thinking about .22 DA revolver with a barrel of 3 inches or less. And the question of what to get, and what is actually available and might be in stock somewhere, seems complicated, frustrating, and overwhelming. From what I can tell-- and these are questions, often based on inference or rumor, though they are framed as statements:

* There are no convertible 22/22 mag DA's, generally, and certainly none in California.
* For .22 or .22 mag, I am limited to Ruger LCRs, Taurus 942s, or a variety of expensive offerings from S&W that aren't that well reviewed.
* Taurus 942s are rarely in stock.

I'm leaning strongly towards a 942 if I can find one. It's hard to get someone to pick up the phone at a gun store, the inventory listed online (for the few stores that do list inventory) is often not accurate, so I've got to plan a series of expeditions.
The thing is every single one of my SA/DA revolvers I prefer to shoot SA. It’s just that I was struck by the comment you made, not that I don’t think it’s yours to hold as you wish. I just don’t buy any gun with the idea which will be the last taken from me for whatever reason. I have some semiautomatic handguns, but to be honest I favor the odd revolvers for relaxation. The pace of a revolver is different than the pace of a semiautomatic. I do understand the fascination. I’ve never cared for the “cowboy” type revolvers though. The style appearance is not my esthetic. For reference though, I love my Nagant M1895 revolver, the esthetic is me. It’s archaic hard to reload, it is both SA/DA though even though there are SA versions.
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sikacz wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:59 pm --snrps--
The thing is every single one of my SA/DA revolvers I prefer to shoot SA. It’s just that I was struck by the comment you made, not that I don’t think it’s yours to hold as you wish. I just don’t buy any gun with the idea which will be the last taken from me for whatever reason. I have some semiautomatic handguns, but to be honest I favor the odd revolvers for relaxation. The pace of a revolver is different than the pace of a semiautomatic. I do understand the fascination. I’ve never cared for the “cowboy” type revolvers though. The style appearance is not my esthetic. For reference though, I love my Nagant M1895 revolver, the esthetic is me. It’s archaic hard to reload, it is both SA/DA though even though there are SA versions.
I wish I would have bought a Nagant when I could get them for $79. Alas. To me, the fascination I have with my single action revolver is similar to my fascination with archery--truth be told, I have shot way more arrows than bullets in the last three years. Guns are easy; archery, not so much. I would carry neither SA revolvers nor a bow and arrow for SD, choosing instead my .357 Ruger GP100. I sort of want to "collect 'em all" type of thing. So many desires; so little space in the gun safe.

CDFingers
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Shooting the Colt SAA and its clone is a very enjoyable thing. Wouldn't call it Zen but it does just feel right. When I'm shooting handguns, the two handguns I always want to shoot are my Colt in .45 Colt, and my Uberti in .38-40; both are just so much fun to shoot. I love DA revolvers also, different kind of vibe, but I love DA shooting.
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