Finally someone is making 25 acp rounds that should consistently penetrate over 12” in ballistic gel. Now we just need a modern drop safe super light polymer 25 acp pocket pistol.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l ... tail&p=606

Thirty five bucks for twenty rounds. Better than an empty gun. If I were a reloading press salesman, I'd come to your door in a checkered suit. ;-)

CDFingers

CDFingers wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:00 am Thirty five bucks for twenty rounds. Better than an empty gun. If I were a reloading press salesman, I'd come to your door in a checkered suit. ;-)

CDFingers

If I could buy lead free primers I would consider getting into reloading.

Definitely a game changer-

https://youtu.be/Ndt800vWQBU

Seems decent for fans of the .25. I'll stick with my .380 though, and even it is less than completely inspiring.

I can shoot tiny 380 pistols but my hand hates it. I’ll take low recoil and good penetration without expansion.

UncleJon wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:26 pm I can shoot tiny 380 pistols but my hand hates it. I’ll take low recoil and good penetration without expansion.

See if you can find a .380 Beretta 80 series, S&W 380EZ, Ruger Security 380 or Walther PK380 or CCP M2 380 to try. Might be eye openers. The .380 is a very accurate and controllable cartridge and in the right gun really fun to shoot.

sig230 wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:47 pm See if you can find a .380 Beretta 80 series, S&W 380EZ, Ruger Security 380 or Walther PK380 or CCP M2 380 to try. Might be eye openers. The .380 is a very accurate and controllable cartridge and in the right gun really fun to shoot.

I rented a 380 EZ last year and it was a joy to shoot, I’m definitely a fan of mid sized 380s and think the round is plenty powerful.

UncleJon wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:27 pm

sig230 wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:47 pm See if you can find a .380 Beretta 80 series, S&W 380EZ, Ruger Security 380 or Walther PK380 or CCP M2 380 to try. Might be eye openers. The .380 is a very accurate and controllable cartridge and in the right gun really fun to shoot.

I rented a 380 EZ last year and it was a joy to shoot, I’m definitely a fan of mid sized 380s and think the round is plenty powerful.

The Ruger Security 380 is a double stack with all the lite rack features and two mags, one 10 round and the other 15. S&W has also added the EZ features to the Equalizer but I think it's 9mm Luger only.

sig230 wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:22 pm The Ruger Security 380 is a double stack with all the lite rack features and two mags, one 10 round and the other 15. S&W has also added the EZ features to the Equalizer but I think it's 9mm Luger only.

Saw that, great idea for a pistol but for HD I have a Canik 9mm I’m happy with.

Tempting. New to all this, but I like the idea of centerfire reliability, low recoil, and better penetration. I have a dim memory of seeing a .25 Taurus Revolver in Guns and Ammo sometime in the '90s, but can't find any reference to it online.

I wonder how it stacks up against Federal Punch in .22 LR for a two-inch barrel, which has been tested at around 1,000 FPS. It seems like Federal Punch-- if you could ever find it-- can nearly equal .22 mag for short barrel, though it starts really coming into its own even in 5 or six inch barrels.

I skimmed the video, and just from this test, it does seem like the .25 does tumble (no surprise) but doesn't expand much.

I did catch the comments about the flat nose nose .25 possibly not cycling right in semiautomatics. Federal Punch is flat nosed as well. Interesting.

I'd wonder about availability for .25 ammo as well. I imagine a fictional crackhead zombie apocalypse scenario where I survive virtually indefinitely because I have buckets and buckets of .22 LR, and I'm able to get more because all the other calibers are desperately needed by LEOs and military-- I don't imagine much .25 would be available in this hypothetical universe. But I realize that's not very practical, because I don't think real zombies smoke crack, so they would be much healthier, and I couldn't stop them with a .22 anyway. (Apologies to anyone who has struggled with any kind of cocaine problem, I mean no disrespect, just talking crazy.)

I will try to avoid going on and on about my love-hate relationship with my Makarov .380, but basically I love the reliability but hate what it does to my hands. Sig put the EZ on my radar as well, and I'd love to try one.

Hmmm I’m not aware of any 25 acp revolvers.
Center fire reliability is definitely nice.
Federal Punch 22lr is definitely a great round but for pocket pistol length barrels I think this BB 25 is gonna beat it. It’s definitely bridging the gap between 22lr/normal 25 and 32 acp. The Keltec P32 is reliable with FMJ but it’s so incredibly light that it is fairly snappy. They should make one in 25 and make it a bit smaller yet. I’d like a manual safety too.

25 ACP are nice little pocket pistols like the Baby Browning. They are easy to conceal and use center fired ammo. That BB ammo is pricey though, like FS I'll stick with my 380s.

sig230 wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:47 pm

UncleJon wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:26 pm I can shoot tiny 380 pistols but my hand hates it. I’ll take low recoil and good penetration without expansion.

See if you can find a .380 Beretta 80 series, S&W 380EZ, Ruger Security 380 or Walther PK380 or CCP M2 380 to try. Might be eye openers. The .380 is a very accurate and controllable cartridge and in the right gun really fun to shoot.

Or Glock 42..really in the 'goldilocks' range..small, but big enough to get expansion, plus not a PITA to shoot.Plus a Glock so 100% reliable..and not expensive. Some mentioned above are Glock 19 size. Beretta. Not sure why I'd carry a Glock 19 size pistol in .380.
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/ber ... k-g19-gen4

sig230 wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:22 pm

UncleJon wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:27 pm

sig230 wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:47 pm See if you can find a .380 Beretta 80 series, S&W 380EZ, Ruger Security 380 or Walther PK380 or CCP M2 380 to try. Might be eye openers. The .380 is a very accurate and controllable cartridge and in the right gun really fun to shoot.

I rented a 380 EZ last year and it was a joy to shoot, I’m definitely a fan of mid sized 380s and think the round is plenty powerful.

The Ruger Security 380 is a double stack with all the lite rack features and two mags, one 10 round and the other 15. S&W has also added the EZ features to the Equalizer but I think it's 9mm Luger only.

Not sure why I'd carry the Ruger vs a Glock 43x..same size, .380 vs 9mm...Cheaper too. BUT YMMV and all that.

F4FEver wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:29 am

sig230 wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:22 pm

UncleJon wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:27 pm

sig230 wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:47 pm See if you can find a .380 Beretta 80 series, S&W 380EZ, Ruger Security 380 or Walther PK380 or CCP M2 380 to try. Might be eye openers. The .380 is a very accurate and controllable cartridge and in the right gun really fun to shoot.

I rented a 380 EZ last year and it was a joy to shoot, I’m definitely a fan of mid sized 380s and think the round is plenty powerful.

The Ruger Security 380 is a double stack with all the lite rack features and two mags, one 10 round and the other 15. S&W has also added the EZ features to the Equalizer but I think it's 9mm Luger only.

Not sure why I'd carry the Ruger vs a Glock 43x..same size, .380 vs 9mm...Cheaper too. BUT YMMV and all that.

Well, no Glock I've ever tried has ever felt like anything but an useless brick in my hand so Glocks are simply out.

I have quite a few 9mm Lugers that are about the same size as the three (or four if I found another Beretta 80 series) that I mentioned but would choose the .380 over the 9mm simply because I find the .380 far easier to shoot accurately than 9mm Luger.

F4FEver wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:26 am Or Glock 42..really in the 'goldilocks' range..small, but big enough to get expansion, plus not a PITA to shoot.Plus a Glock so 100% reliable..and not expensive. Some mentioned above are Glock 19 size. Beretta. Not sure why I'd carry a Glock 19 size pistol in .380.
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/ber ... k-g19-gen4

The Glock 42 is only a pocket pistol for large people that wear loose pants. Nice pistol though.

This 25 BB ammo is appealing because it offers proper penetration with low recoil from pocket pistols. Yes it’s expensive so you just shoot enough to make sure it will function and then you train with cheap FMJ.

All of these recommendations for medium sized guns are fine but that is a completely different system.

sig230 wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:47 pm
See if you can find a .380 Beretta 80 series, S&W 380EZ, Ruger Security 380 or Walther PK380 or CCP M2 380 to try. Might be eye openers. The .380 is a very accurate and controllable cartridge and in the right gun really fun to shoot.

Seeing as another has already mentioned the Glock 42 as a mid-sized 380, I will add the Browning 1911-380 to your list.

Granpa had a pocket .25 auto and the dang thing barely went through both sides of a beer can. Thats when they are steel. I sold it. Prolly should have kept it.

I have a former cousin, real piece of work... He went to jail for the beating he gave a guy who shot him in the sternum with a .25. Bullet never made it through the breast plate.

My mom had a .25 ACP FIE Titan. She bought it in the early 1980s to hopefully not use in self-defense against a former dating partner. It sat in a series of dark dry places until a few years ago, when she started seeing reports of break-ins on the My Neighbors (or whatever the heck it was called) app. She dug it, her father's Stevens 311 12-gauge double-barrel, and my stepfather's .22 rifle out and had me have a guy I knew assess them (this was a few months before I started buying my own guns, another story for another thread).

After I bought a couple pistols to start working toward carrying (a learning process, not a flip of a switch), I told her I wanted to shoot her pistol a bit to see how it did. After a range session that saw two "stove-pipe" failures to properly eject, I gave the thing a thorough cleaning, cycled the action a couple times, and figured that my mother would have a hard time operating the thing, so we sold it. I didn't even want it as an ankle piece.

Still, I'd rather be missed by someone shooting a .44 than hit with a .25.

I like small mostly 6.35mm pistols but I'd be somewhat hesitant to run the Buffalo Bore offering through them, mostly because they are all a half century, century or more old now.

We tend to forget that there really are some stunning examples of small caliber pistols causing immediate stops. The Reagan incident as well as Bobby Kennedy come to mind as a couple well publicized examples during my life time.

Re: midsize 380s, the reason I own a 380 is because CC is generally frowned on in my circles and in my town, so if I do carry it needs to be as close to undetectable as I can make it. An LCP II does that, but is snappy as hell to shoot in 380. If it came in a 32 auto instead, I'd have bought that over the 380. Mulling over the 22 caliber version.

wooglin wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:58 am Re: midsize 380s, the reason I own a 380 is because CC is generally frowned on in my circles and in my town, so if I do carry it needs to be as close to undetectable as I can make it. An LCP II does that, but is snappy as hell to shoot in 380. If it came in a 32 auto instead, I'd have bought that over the 380. Mulling over the 22 caliber version.

The LCP II Lite Rack 22lr is great. Took a couple hundred rounds before it took a liking to bulk pack ammo but now is fine. In fact it is what I am carrying today.

The LCPII in 22lr looks nice. Rimfire ammo is more reliable now.
barrel : 2.75 inches
weight : 11.2 oz
height : 4 inches

I have the Ruger SR22 22lr
barrel: 3.50 inches
weight: 17.5 ozs
width: .97 inches
height: 4.90 inches

There is also the Walther P22 22lr
barrel: 3.42 inches
weight: 16 ozs
width: 1.1 inches
height: 4.5 inches

The slide on the LCPII is tungsten, the slide on the SR22 is aluminum. Beretta still makes the Bobcat with 7 rounds and Bersa still makes a 22lr pistol with 10 rounds.