Re: Libya
2This is why it makes sense to have an armed citizenry as a check and balance to political power. The monster is hiring foreign mercenaries to repress unarmed civilians.
"the task of Social-Democracy [revolutionary] is
to imbue the proletariat (literally: saturate the
proletariat) with the consciousness of its position and the
consciousness of its task."

to imbue the proletariat (literally: saturate the
proletariat) with the consciousness of its position and the
consciousness of its task."

Re: Libya
3Muammar Gaddafi has been in power since 1969, he's seen kings, presidents and prime ministers come and go. A small (in population) country with a lot of wealth. "While Libya has the largest oil reserves in Africa, two-thirds of the 6.5million population live on less than $2 a day." No doubt his family has become very wealthy over the years and apparently he wants his son to succeed.
It was reported a number of years ago that he never sleeps more than one night at any location, he's always afraid of assassination. And his bodyguards are reported to be all women.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/2 ... ith_France
It was reported a number of years ago that he never sleeps more than one night at any location, he's always afraid of assassination. And his bodyguards are reported to be all women.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/2 ... ith_France
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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4It continues to get uglier and uglier. Between the spreading uprisings in the mid-east, the disaster in WI, I can't think of a more bizarre time of upheaval that I have lived through.
"The waves which dash on the shore are, one by one, broken; but yet the ocean conquers nevertheless."
- Lord Byron
- Lord Byron
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5Oh, i can. The Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Anti-War Protests during Viet Nam, Civil Rights Marches, my first marriage...mark wrote:It continues to get uglier and uglier. Between the spreading uprisings in the mid-east, the disaster in WI, I can't think of a more bizarre time of upheaval that I have lived through.
Sooner or later those being cheated will flip the Monopoly game board over. It's just gettin' started...
"Endeavor to persevere."
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6I just wonder how long its gonna take for all the working class folks marching around yelling for no taxes and no limits or regulations on corporations, be it directly or by their support of the republican party (because Obamas a Muslim who's gonna take your guns), to realize that if you don't have a job (or a job that pays a living wage) taxes don't mean a damn thing and that their guns are useful for nothing but pawning for some money to feed their families.goosekiller wrote:Oh, i can. The Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Anti-War Protests during Viet Nam, Civil Rights Marches, my first marriage...mark wrote:It continues to get uglier and uglier. Between the spreading uprisings in the mid-east, the disaster in WI, I can't think of a more bizarre time of upheaval that I have lived through.
Sooner or later those being cheated will flip the Monopoly game board over. It's just gettin' started...
Unfortunately I think things need to get a lot worse in this country before they start to get better.
'Sorry stupid people but there are some definite disadvantages to being stupid."
-John Cleese
-John Cleese
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7Yup, that was quite an era. This period is a good test for Obama just in time for his re-election campaign ahead. With chaos in the Middle East we're already feeling the increase in gasoline prices and it will likely get worse even if Qaddafi is overthrown.goosekiller wrote:Oh, i can. The Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Anti-War Protests during Viet Nam, Civil Rights Marches, my first marriage...mark wrote:It continues to get uglier and uglier. Between the spreading uprisings in the mid-east, the disaster in WI, I can't think of a more bizarre time of upheaval that I have lived through.
Sooner or later those being cheated will flip the Monopoly game board over. It's just gettin' started...
The Qaddafi's are a delightful family. "WikiLeaks Cables Detail Qaddafi Family’s Exploits" http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/23/world ... ables.html
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"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Re: Libya
8goosekiller wrote:Oh, i can. The Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Anti-War Protests during Viet Nam, Civil Rights Marches, my first marriage...mark wrote:It continues to get uglier and uglier. Between the spreading uprisings in the mid-east, the disaster in WI, I can't think of a more bizarre time of upheaval that I have lived through.
Sooner or later those being cheated will flip the Monopoly game board over. It's just gettin' started...
Note that *I* wasn't alive during that period. :p
plus....that was definitely a much more turbulent time for the US but was it also for the rest of the world?
"The waves which dash on the shore are, one by one, broken; but yet the ocean conquers nevertheless."
- Lord Byron
- Lord Byron
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9There were only 3 networks then. If it was going on across the world, we may or may not have known depending on what they wanted us to know.mark wrote:goosekiller wrote:Oh, i can. The Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Anti-War Protests during Viet Nam, Civil Rights Marches, my first marriage...mark wrote:It continues to get uglier and uglier. Between the spreading uprisings in the mid-east, the disaster in WI, I can't think of a more bizarre time of upheaval that I have lived through.
Sooner or later those being cheated will flip the Monopoly game board over. It's just gettin' started...
Note that *I* wasn't alive during that period. :p
plus....that was definitely a much more turbulent time for the US but was it also for the rest of the world?
"Endeavor to persevere."
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12So how far does everyone think this revolution will go? Global?goosekiller wrote:Oh, i can. The Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Anti-War Protests during Viet Nam, Civil Rights Marches, my first marriage...mark wrote:It continues to get uglier and uglier. Between the spreading uprisings in the mid-east, the disaster in WI, I can't think of a more bizarre time of upheaval that I have lived through.
Sooner or later those being cheated will flip the Monopoly game board over. It's just gettin' started...
According to my theory of trojan fascism, there won't get to be a point where tensions boil over until it's too late, and te aristocracy has already been established, kind of like the frog who's placed in a pot and slowly brought to a boil. guns are useful in this situation for throwing off your opressors, but only if you are still allowed to have them, and don't have some government agency coming into your house to steal them. AND even THEN if you get a large group of people to realize they've become serfs at the same time and can organize them.I just wonder how long its gonna take for all the working class folks marching around yelling for no taxes and no limits or regulations on corporations, be it directly or by their support of the republican party (because Obamas a Muslim who's gonna take your guns), to realize that if you don't have a job (or a job that pays a living wage) taxes don't mean a damn thing and that their guns are useful for nothing but pawning for some money to feed their families.
Unfortunately I think things need to get a lot worse in this country before they start to get better.
If I hear "crony" capitalism one more time I'm going to be ill. Capitalism is capitalism, dog eats dog and one dog ends up on top, and he defends that place with all the power he's accumulated.
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14I was not born for another 5 years but looking at 1968 there was "Bloody Monday" in France, where student protesters and unionists clashed with police. Czechoslovakia's president resigned amid protests and the Soviets invade. Student protests in Mexico threaten the Olympics. 23 African countries boycott the Olympics because of South African Apartheid. Angolan "Colonial War" for independence from Portugal. Protugal's democratic government abolished under "Estado Novo".mark wrote:goosekiller wrote:Oh, i can. The Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Anti-War Protests during Viet Nam, Civil Rights Marches, my first marriage...mark wrote:It continues to get uglier and uglier. Between the spreading uprisings in the mid-east, the disaster in WI, I can't think of a more bizarre time of upheaval that I have lived through.
Sooner or later those being cheated will flip the Monopoly game board over. It's just gettin' started...
Note that *I* wasn't alive during that period. :p
plus....that was definitely a much more turbulent time for the US but was it also for the rest of the world?
So, yeah it seems like 68 and the surrounding years were pretty turbulent globally as well.
Anyone who uses the terms 'irregardless', 'all of the sudden', or 'a whole nother' shall be sentenced to a work camp - Stewie Griffith
The American People will take Socialism, but they won't take the label. - Upton Sinclair
The American People will take Socialism, but they won't take the label. - Upton Sinclair
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15Question answered. Thanks.Caliman73 wrote: I was not born for another 5 years but looking at 1968 there was "Bloody Monday" in France, where student protesters and unionists clashed with police. Czechoslovakia's president resigned amid protests and the Soviets invade. Student protests in Mexico threaten the Olympics. 23 African countries boycott the Olympics because of South African Apartheid. Angolan "Colonial War" for independence from Portugal. Protugal's democratic government abolished under "Estado Novo".
So, yeah it seems like 68 and the surrounding years were pretty turbulent globally as well.
"The waves which dash on the shore are, one by one, broken; but yet the ocean conquers nevertheless."
- Lord Byron
- Lord Byron
Re: Libya
16And a little over a century before it, there was a revolutionary period in Europe, 1848. And then the reactionaries slowly took over again sometimes becoming more repressive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848
Edit: To remove jumbled quotes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848
Edit: To remove jumbled quotes.
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