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highdesert wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:27 am Democratic politicians are yelling for Trump to be prosecuted, like Republican politicians were yelling "Lock Her Up" about HRC. It's a rallying cry. Garland will only seek indictments if he has sufficient evidence and there is a very good chance Trump will be convicted, otherwise Trump becomes a martyr and a hero and it increases his chances of winning again in 2024.
If TOS is convicted for his actions leading up to and on the day of Jan. 6 , he becomes a martyr and more of a hero to the right wing, just as Hitler did in 1923 with the Beer Hall Putsch.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
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TrueTexan wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:09 am
highdesert wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:27 am Democratic politicians are yelling for Trump to be prosecuted, like Republican politicians were yelling "Lock Her Up" about HRC. It's a rallying cry. Garland will only seek indictments if he has sufficient evidence and there is a very good chance Trump will be convicted, otherwise Trump becomes a martyr and a hero and it increases his chances of winning again in 2024.
If TOS is convicted for his actions leading up to and on the day of Jan. 6 , he becomes a martyr and more of a hero to the right wing, just as Hitler did in 1923 with the Beer Hall Putsch.
Fine. I'll write him in prison every day to express my pleasure at his circumstances.

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“We’ve been working for months on this issue and have really done a deep dive into the problems and ambiguities that exist in this 1887 law,” Collins said. “My hope is that we will wrap up our work shortly … I suspect we will introduce a bill within the coming days.”

Senate negotiators on the proposal, led on the Democratic side by West Virginia’s Sen. Joe Manchin, are seeking to clarify that the vice president’s role in the certification of electoral votes is simply ministerial. In other words, their final product would effectively cut off the argument that Trump backers used to try to overturn his loss to Joe Biden.

Collins said the bipartisan group circulated text three weeks ago and expects the Senate Rules Committee to take up the bill. Their plan also seeks to raise the threshold required for members of Congress to challenge election results; clarify arcane language in the law related to a “failed election"; direct the Postal Service to develop best practices for handling absentee ballots; and specify who can submit a slate of electors from any particular state.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/1 ... t-00045659

What sets off Wordfence, this post kept setting off Wordfence.
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Another Bomb burst for the J6 committee.
Secret Service deleted J6 text messages after investigators demanded them: DHS inspector general

The United States Secret Service is in yet another scandal over its performance during the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

"The Secret Service erased text messages from January 5 and January 6, 2021, according to a letter given to the January 6 committee and reviewed by The Intercept. The letter was originally sent by the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General to the House and Senate homeland security committees. Though the Secret Service maintains that the text messages were lost as a result of a 'device-replacement program,' the letter says the erasure took place shortly after oversight officials requested the agency’s electronic communications," The Intercept reported Thursday.
Full article here. https://www.rawstory.com/secret-servic ... r-general/

And here https://theintercept.com/2022/07/14/ja ... t-service/

Secret Service must keep all President’s screwups secret. That’s why they are the Secret Service. :sarcasm:

Edit: We had to have an eraser somewhere. It wouldn’t be a presidential scandal without one. You know Watergate, Iran Contra, weapons of mass destruction and mobile bio weapons.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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Well now this:
Cop confirms Hutchinson testimony about Trump’s effort to join Capitol riot: CNN

CNN reported on Thursday that a police officer in Donald Trump's Jan.6 motorcade confirmed testimony by Cassidy Hutchinson before the House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol.
https://www.rawstory.com/cassidy-hutch ... t-service/

But we can’t believe that because TOS said it didn’t happen and he never lies. :sarcasm: if that’s needed.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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tonguengroover wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:58 pm The AZ Governors race is rife with TOT followers even to the point of stating so in their ads.
You'd think they would disengage themselves a little if they were smart.
It's been quite a while since we had a good gov in this state, and I've lived thru them since birth in '53..

Maybe we ought to just go the next 4 years without one.

Cheaper and just as effective...

SR
"Oozing charm from every pore, he oiled his way around the floor."

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TrueTexan wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:09 am
highdesert wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:27 am Democratic politicians are yelling for Trump to be prosecuted, like Republican politicians were yelling "Lock Her Up" about HRC. It's a rallying cry. Garland will only seek indictments if he has sufficient evidence and there is a very good chance Trump will be convicted, otherwise Trump becomes a martyr and a hero and it increases his chances of winning again in 2024.
If TOS is convicted for his actions leading up to and on the day of Jan. 6 , he becomes a martyr and more of a hero to the right wing, just as Hitler did in 1923 with the Beer Hall Putsch.
That's OK...a little of the air will go outta the trump balloon...on his way to a hospital slab, hopefully.
What worries me are the heavily armed right wing trump crusaders..who are going to make the trouble. Stay vigilant..not many of these dim bulbs realize that never trumpers are armed too.

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TrueTexan wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:09 pm Another Bomb burst for the J6 committee.
Secret Service deleted J6 text messages after investigators demanded them: DHS inspector general

The United States Secret Service is in yet another scandal over its performance during the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

"The Secret Service erased text messages from January 5 and January 6, 2021, according to a letter given to the January 6 committee and reviewed by The Intercept. The letter was originally sent by the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General to the House and Senate homeland security committees. Though the Secret Service maintains that the text messages were lost as a result of a 'device-replacement program,' the letter says the erasure took place shortly after oversight officials requested the agency’s electronic communications," The Intercept reported Thursday.
Full article here. https://www.rawstory.com/secret-servic ... r-general/

And here https://theintercept.com/2022/07/14/ja ... t-service/

Secret Service must keep all President’s screwups secret. That’s why they are the Secret Service. :sarcasm:

Edit: We had to have an eraser somewhere. It wouldn’t be a presidential scandal without one. You know Watergate, Iran Contra, weapons of mass destruction and mobile bio weapons.
I'm convinced that if Pence had gotten into that car on J6, he wouldn't have been seen alive again. The USSS is rife with trump crusaders. Even Grassley said earlier, before J6, that he didn't think Pence would be at the capital on Jan 6 and he would preside over this largely ceremonial event.
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I'm of the belief that no matter the facts 30% of the nation still believe the turd won and will remain thinking this until the day they die. As the old adage says, "Ignorance may be corrected; stupid is forever!!"

https://lostnotstolen.org//wp-content/u ... y-2022.pdf

On a lighter note:

https://www.queerty.com/trump-pissed-iv ... g-20220610

LOL
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The greatest, most aggrieved mistake EVER made in USA was electing DJT as POTUS.

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Yes, polling shows the Jan 6 hearings haven't really changed minds. Most Democrats went in believing that Trump was guilty and most Republicans went in believing he was innocent, so minds were closed from the start. There is a percentage of Democrats, Republicans and Independents who were open minded. If a prosecutor wants to prove a case to a jury, you have to lead the jury through the evidence in chronological order, these committee hearings are all over the place. It's like movies that have so many flashbacks that people get lost and can't separate modern day from the flashbacks. They forgot to be kind to viewers.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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highdesert wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:57 am Yes, polling shows the Jan 6 hearings haven't really changed minds. Most Democrats went in believing that Trump was guilty and most Republicans went in believing he was innocent, so minds were closed from the start. There is a percentage of Democrats, Republicans and Independents who were open minded. If a prosecutor wants to prove a case to a jury, you have to lead the jury through the evidence in chronological order, these committee hearings are all over the place. It's like movies that have so many flashbacks that people get lost and can't separate modern day from the flashbacks. They forgot to be kind to viewers.
Current polls suggest that. No congresscritters have yet been indicted. If we don't see ejection from Congress of these skid marks on America's skivvies, I stand by my mantra that a gun is a good thing to have and not need: if you need it, you have it. If you don't need it, you still have it--keeps your holster from collapsing (stainless steel only, kids)..

Polls are nothing. Polling is everything (Eisenhower).

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Department of Justice will grab any plea Trump will take so watch for that. Hard to say if Trump will just take a plea and just go about his life grifting, or take the trial all the way, and try to start a revolution. A year ago, I'd say he would be up for the revolution, these days I'm not sure.

Whatever charge they get him on, he will never see the inside of a jail. His plea if he takes one will include no jail or any real consequences, so be under no illusions about that. And the next Republican president will pardon him.

Meadows and Eastman are in a world of hurt, that's going to be a very different story.
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FrontSight wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:28 pm Department of Justice will grab any plea Trump will take so watch for that. Hard to say if Trump will just take a plea and just go about his life grifting, or take the trial all the way, and try to start a revolution. A year ago, I'd say he would be up for the revolution, these days I'm not sure.

Whatever charge they get him on, he will never see the inside of a jail. His plea if he takes one will include no jail or any real consequences, so be under no illusions about that. And the next Republican president will pardon him.

Meadows and Eastman are in a world of hurt, that's going to be a very different story.
Well Nixon took a plea deal that he would go to California and total retirement. Reagan just pleaded I don't remember and let Oliver North take the fall. George W. Bush and friends just created a new reality and then faded out to Texas.

TOS thinks to much of himself and his fantasy beliefs to go quietly to Mar A Lago and cheat at golf. He still has his grift going that now includes the death of his first wife.

Donald Trump fundraises off of ex-wife's death
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-f ... ex-wife-s/
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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TrueTexan wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:43 pm
Well Nixon took a plea deal that he would go to California and total retirement. Reagan just pleaded I don't remember and let Oliver North take the fall. George W. Bush and friends just created a new reality and then faded out to Texas.

TOS thinks to much of himself and his fantasy beliefs to go quietly to Mar A Lago and cheat at golf. He still has his grift going that now includes the death of his first wife.

Donald Trump fundraises off of ex-wife's death
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-f ... ex-wife-s/
Yeah, we certainly have precedent for limp wristed slaps on the hands.

As it stands right now, I don't see Trump as electable in a real campaign. Sure he can bluster and look good in polls while the economy is crap, but in a real campaign all is BS is really going to come back and bite him...Normal people aren't going to be interested just like they weren't interested in 2020. And if there's anything the Jan 6 hearings have given us, it's a metric-ass-load of video clips that make Trump look like an extremist ass who tried to overthrow an election. So barring some chaotic event, I think Trump's shot at being president is over and like Nixon he will go away. He won't go away quietly like Nixon, but I don't see him having any chance at being president. He IS going to be indicted. Moderates are NOT going to be sympathetic.
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In hindsight, loose lipped Bannon provided evidence showing a plot to overturn the election. The plot was indeed headed by TOS who actively laid the groundwork in his campaign speeches, even before the election happened:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cuvm2UwMP0w
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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Cuffari [DHS IG] told the committee that the Secret Service did not conduct its own after-action review regarding January 6 and chose to rely on the inspector general investigation, according to a source familiar with the briefing. The inspector general told the committee that the Secret Service has not been fully cooperative with his probe.

Cuffari's description left the impression that the Secret Service had been "footdragging," the source said. The inspector general told the committee they were not getting full access to personnel and records. Cuffari said he brought the issue to Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas more than once and was told to keep trying to get the information. Ultimately, Cuffari decided to go to Congress because he could not get anywhere within DHS with his concerns. Separately, a law enforcement official told CNN about Cuffari going to Mayorkas.

DHS said in a statement that it "has ensured and will continue to ensure that both the DHS Office of the Inspector General (OIG) and the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6 Attack on the United States Capitol have the information they have requested."
A DHS official provided CNN a timeline of when the IG was informed by Secret Service of the missing information caused by the data transfer. In a statement Thursday night, Secret Service had said the IG first requested information on February 26, 2021, but it did not specify when the agency acknowledged the problem. According to the DHS official, the Secret Service notified the IG of the migration issue on multiple occasions, starting on May 4, 2021, then again on December 14, 2021 and in February 2022. In a statement Thursday night, the Secret Service said the inspector general's allegation regarding a lack of cooperation is "neither correct nor new."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/15/politics ... index.html

This sounds a lot like the problems IGs had during the Trump administration, but Trump would fire the IG. I suspect the Secret Service texts were embarrassing to agents and some of them could still be on Trump's security detail.
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