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There might have been DPS staff on site in Uvalde, but I assume it's like everywhere else in the US where when state law enforcement arrive they are there to assist locals and don't automatically assume control of an incident. TX legislators might be rethinking that whole protocol.

Local politicians are trying to cover their asses, this could be the end of their careers. Three local law enforcement agencies were involved: school district police, city police and county sheriff and they f'ed it up all by themselves.
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Read a report there were 12 or so DPS on site and some in bldg. With that many agencies all there at one time and no one stepped up to take control of situation. This just gets murkier by the day with each change in story and pointing fingers. You can lay your money on Greg Abbott not taking any responsibility and protecting DPS whist throwing everyone else under the bus.
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Bisbee wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:03 pm Not far from the truth.

This is what happens when big talkers are faced with a real situation. The bigger the hat, the fewer the cattle. The sad truth we are witnessing is that Texas is filled with bullsh*ters with guns who are afraid of their own shadows. And now their yellow stripes are out there for all the world to witness.

And much of NRA swilling, chest-beating White America behave just like these Texans. “Good guy with a gun,” my ass.
As the quote goes, “All Hat No Cattle.”
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Security video published Tuesday by two Texas news outlets shows police officers retreating from the classroom where a gunman killed 19 students and two teachers at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas. The video, which was recorded in a hallway and obtained and edited by the Austin American-Statesman and KVUE-TV of Austin, shows the officers arriving at Robb Elementary School at 11:36 a.m. May 24, three minutes after the gunman was seen entering the school and walking down an empty hallway. NBC News has not independently obtained the video, which provided the first view of a law enforcement response that a Texas public safety official has called an "abject failure."
About 20 seconds after the 18-year-old gunman is seen entering the school, he turns to his left and opens fire on a classroom. Authorities have said he fired at least 100 shots with an AR-15-style rifle into adjoining classrooms filled mostly with fourth graders.
In an editorial published Tuesday, the American-Statesman said it published the video "to continue to bring to light what happened at Robb Elementary, which the families and friends of the Uvalde victims have long been asking for."

At a hearing with lawmakers last month, McCraw described the response to the shooting as an "abject failure and antithetical to everything we've learned over the last two decades since the Columbine massacre." "The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from [entering rooms] 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children," he said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/vi ... -rcna37963

The Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3poHE3nOb8
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highdesert wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:59 am
featureless wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:14 am Unconscionable.
Yes, it's like watching the keystone cops. While they were dithering, children were dying. DPS director Col. McCraw was right.
Or Monty Python Hear gunshots Run away! Run Away!
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Document Shows Uvalde Officials Sought Favorable Account of Police Action

Top Uvalde officials wanted to highlight the heroics of officers at Robb Elementary. The state police director refused to do so.
https://archive.ph/6xKdX
The document prepared by Uvalde officials and labeled “narrative” was obtained by The New York Times after a public information request. Its account of events differed in significant aspects from the one described by Mr. McCraw’s agency, the Department of Public Safety, which is leading the police investigation into the shooting and the law enforcement response.

The Uvalde officials pushed the document across the table to Mr. McCraw, asking him to publicly endorse it, according to a state police official who requested anonymity to describe the meeting on June 2. Mr. McCraw refused.

The heated encounter at Uvalde City Hall, which has not been previously reported, was among the earliest indications of a simmering feud between state and local officials that has since exploded into public view over who should be blamed for the 77 minutes it took heavily armed officers to kill the gunman after he first entered Robb Elementary School.
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Miserable cowards.
If this was Japan people would be falling on swords by now.
But this is Trumpland we are dealing with here. Kids in adult bodies playing cop.
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The Escambia County (Pensacola, FL) sheriff's comment on the Uvalde video.
"You're trained to go to the threat. If you come under fire, you can take cover -- but then you have to go ahead and find a better way or find a different way," Sheriff Simmons said. "You can maybe even wait for one or two more people there, but you can't just sit back minute after minute after minute hearing those screams and not react. That's what we're paid to do. That's what we're trained to do."
Sheriff Simmons knows that firsthand. In December 2019, Escambia County Sheriff's Office deputies responded to the deadly terrorist attack at NAS Pensacola. They ran in taking down the gunman within minutes.

"Not only were the officers that arrived initially going toward the threat, the officers that backed them up that came in there later -- they went toward the threat," Sheriff Simmons said. Two of the eight people injured during that attack were his deputies. Three sailors lost their lives that day. In the years since, those deputies were praised for their response.
https://weartv.com/news/local/difficult ... icer-video
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Bisbee wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:21 am Miserable cowards.
If this was Japan people would be falling on swords by now.
They are to cowardly to use more than a pen knife or dull butter knife.
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A Texas House investigative committee is expected to release a preliminary report Sunday on the Uvalde, Texas, school massacre that left 21 people dead, more than a month after the group began its search for answers.

The report is expected to focus on the facts of the attack, include a chronological sequence of events, a timeline, a law enforcement manifest, and details on the shooter, a source previously told CNN. It is expected to clarify conflicting accounts of what happened, include verbatim quotes from sworn testimony, and show that the law enforcement failure that day was much greater than one person or one agency, one source has said.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/17/us/texas ... index.html
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sikacz wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:30 am I’m sure it will be interesting reading. I doubt it will sway the bloomie types from their standard solution.
I agree, the usual prohibitionist groups have an agenda that was bought and paid for by Bloomberg and the blue coasts, they aren't concerned with facts.
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The 18-year-old who massacred 19 students and two teachers in Uvalde on May 24 had no experience with firearms before his rampage began. He targeted an elementary school with an active shooter policy that had been deemed adequate but also a long history of doors propped open.
It explains how the gunman, who investigators believe had never fired a gun before May 24, was able to stockpile military-style rifles, accessories and ammunition without arousing suspicion from authorities, enter a supposedly secure school unimpeded and indiscriminately kill children and adults.

In total, 376 law enforcement officers — a force larger than the garrison that defended the Alamo — descended upon the school in a chaotic, uncoordinated scene that lasted for more than an hour. The group was devoid of clear leadership, basic communications and sufficient urgency to take down the gunman, the report says. Notably, the investigation is the first so far to criticize the inaction of state and federal law enforcement, while other reports and public accounts by officials have placed the blame squarely on Uvalde school police Chief Pete Arredondo, for his role as incident commander, and other local police who were among the first to arrive.
The report also reveals for the first time that the overwhelming majority of responders were federal and state law enforcement: 149 were U.S. Border Patrol, and 91 were state police — whose responsibilities include responding to “mass attacks in public places.” There were 25 Uvalde police officers and 16 sheriff’s deputies. Arredondo’s school police force accounted for five of the officers on the scene. The rest of the force was made up of neighboring county law enforcement, U.S. Marshals, and federal Drug Enforcement Agency officers. The investigators said that in the absence of a strong incident commander, another officer could have — and should have — stepped up to the task.
...the report said Border Patrol agents decided they would breach the classroom without seeking permission from Arredondo [school district police chief]. That team killed the gunman at 12:51 p.m., ending the standoff.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/17 ... stigation/

The Rangers will also be issuing a report of their investigation.
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Law enforcement is scared shitless of AR15 style rifles and rightfully so. Tomorrow sentencing starts in Florida Parkland school shooting. They should stick a .223 full auto up Cruz ass with a 30 rd. mag and fire until empty. I expect Texas, Uvalde, DPS and a few others are going to be spending a lot of time in civil courts and paying out lots of money for next few years.
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featureless wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 3:10 pm
Bisbee wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:28 pm Holy Clusterf*ck, Batman...
+1

Out of 376 LEOs, only one fucking person had the wherewithal to do what needed to be done. That's horrifying.
Agree. And some assholes think only law enforcement should be armed. I suspect you could have let one of the kids grandma’s have a semiautomatic and the job would have been done quicker.
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Nearly 400 officers responded to the school that day. Yet the decision to finally confront the gunman was made by a small group of officers, including specially trained Border Patrol agents and a deputy sheriff from a neighboring county, the report found, concluding that others at the scene could have taken charge and done so far earlier.
Mr. Burrows added that it would be up to the individual agencies to hold their officers accountable. The goal of the committee, he said, was to provide relatives of the victims and the public with information.
After the report came out, the mayor of Uvalde, Don McLaughlin, said the acting chief during the shooting, Lt. Mariano Pargas, had been placed on administrative leave and that the city had begun its own internal investigation. The city released body camera footage documenting the actions of the Uvalde officers at the scene. The facts laid out in the report also made clear that neither existing gun laws, nor expanded background checks passed by Congress in response to the shooting, would have prevented the gunman, Salvador Ramos, from obtaining the weapon he used.
The three-member committee that prepared the report included two State House members — Mr. Burrows, a Lubbock Republican, and Joe Moody, an El Paso Democrat — as well as a former state Supreme Court Justice, Eva Guzman, who recently ran an unsuccessful Republican primary bid for attorney general.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/u ... eport.html

Full Texas House report:
https://house.texas.gov/_media/pdf/comm ... Report.pdf
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highdesert wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:57 am
sikacz wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:30 am I’m sure it will be interesting reading. I doubt it will sway the bloomie types from their standard solution.
I agree, the usual prohibitionist groups have an agenda that was bought and paid for by Bloomberg and the blue coasts, they aren't concerned with facts.
The issue is ACCESS, not the tool. This kid bought an arsenal, and later found to be insane..Same for Parkland shooter......EASY Access to firearms is the problem, again and again...

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F4FEver wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:56 am
highdesert wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:57 am
sikacz wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:30 am I’m sure it will be interesting reading. I doubt it will sway the bloomie types from their standard solution.
I agree, the usual prohibitionist groups have an agenda that was bought and paid for by Bloomberg and the blue coasts, they aren't concerned with facts.
The issue is ACCESS, not the tool. This kid bought an arsenal, and later found to be insane..Same for Parkland shooter......EASY Access to firearms is the problem, again and again...
No, the problem is not identifying and helping troubled people before they get to the stage of deciding violence is a solution to their pain, real or imagined. Limiting access only creates other problems and reduces needlessly the ability of the disadvantaged from access. A better approach is a more integrated healthcare system that from an early age reaches people before they become violent. Violence is a response to an imbalance that should have been addressed earlier.
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tonguengroover wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:30 am
Violence is a response to an imbalance that should have been addressed earlier.
Yeah by parents.
Seems to be some shitty parenttal guidence these days.
It does start at home, but it should also include the natural components that families interact with. Schools, regular medical care and counseling, all of which should be integrated to ensure troubled people are not left to their own devices. I’m not saying there needs to be a surveillance state, just a good healthcare system that is preventative. I know other countries have dealt with healthcare issues, I really don’t see that it’s impossible for us to try to tackle the issues. Then in addition community outreach programs can essentially do the same from a different perspective. Increasing educational possibilities and creating opportunity for all could be done in combination with schools, local government and community organizations. None of this should require infringement on anyones civil rights.
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