Eris wrote: Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:37 pm At the beginning of 2020 my lead level was 13. Only exposure was going to an indoor range 1+ times a week for a year, so I cut way back on my range trips, and then Covid hit and killed them off entirely. Maybe I should get checked again now.

I definitely would. It should be down since then.

Went to the range today.

The Norma Eco Speed 22lr is very greasy and would not cycle in my Browning Buckmark or Ruger LCP 2 about half the time. Was fine in my Ruger Bearcat revolver. Recoil is extremely low. I assume that grease would build up in guns. I will never order this ammo again.

The Fiocchi Blue Guardian and Federal American Eagle 9mm both functioned fine, the Fiocchi having noticeably less recoil.

I noticed that problem with the Norma Tac-22 round. I could get it to shoot well if I alternated magazines with plated ammo. It was pretty accurate, but not something I'm planning to use in a pistol in the future.

wings wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:26 pm I noticed that problem with the Norma Tac-22 round. I could get it to shoot well if I alternated magazines with plated ammo. It was pretty accurate, but not something I'm planning to use in a pistol in the future.

Good to know, I will avoid that one as well. Are the rounds greasy?

Very.

wings wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 10:41 pmVery.

That is odd. I suspect it probably keeps longer but who would actually like so much grease or whatever on rounds? And it’s gotta gunk up guns after awhile.

In my opinion, Non-lead bullets offer several benefits over conventional cup-and-core lead bullets. The one everyone is aware of is they are not made of lead, and they are safer for scavengers who feed on the gut pile. The biggest benefit to performance is weight retention; non-lead bullets routinely retain >98% of their weight.

anjlinastone wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:58 am In my opinion, Non-lead bullets offer several benefits over conventional cup-and-core lead bullets. The one everyone is aware of is they are not made of lead, and they are safer for scavengers who feed on the gut pile. The biggest benefit to performance is weight retention; non-lead bullets routinely retain >98% of their weight.

Definitely. Apparently a lot of eagles have high lead levels from eating bullet fragments in gut piles. Not good.

Lead free primer range report number 2 for my new Canik TP9DA.

Federal American Eagle flat nose 70 grain- snappy recoil, shoots low, will not buy again.

Fiocchi Blue Guardian reduced ricochet HP 100 grain- shoots a bit low, less recoil than the Federal 70 gr

Federal Syntech polymer encapsulated:
115 grain- shoots fine, relatively low recoil
150 grain- same, perhaps more of a push and less snap than the 115

I’m going to stick with the Syntech for the range, want to try their 124 gr.

Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 380:

Federal flat nose 70 grain- snappy

Fiocchi Blue Guardian reduced ricochet HP 75 grain- some light strikes

Winchester W Train & Defend FMJ 95 grain(no longer being manufactured)- less recoil than the other 2

Small 380s aren’t fun to shoot but I don’t think the lead free primer functioned any different. Assuming the light strikes are probably from the primer metal being thicker or stiffer. Gun isn’t broken in yet.

Maybe aim higher?
Whats the sight picture looking like on that?

tonguengroover wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:56 pm Maybe aim higher?
Whats the sight picture looking like on that?

My first mag was the 150 Syntech and it was right on, after that I was generally shooting a little low with that same ammo so I’m jerking or something but that 70 grain stuff was shooting extra low every shot.

Photo from Google.

UncleJon wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:55 pm

tonguengroover wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:56 pm Maybe aim higher?
Whats the sight picture looking like on that?

My first mag was the 150 Syntech and it was right on, after that I was generally shooting a little low with that same ammo so I’m jerking or something but that 70 grain stuff was shooting extra low every shot.

Photo from Google.

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Well thats where it should be right on, teeny bit low. I'd put the dot at the top of the front sight. Buy an adjustable sight or get a red dot.

If you’re hitting the paper at 7 yards you’re good. LoL.

tonguengroover wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:35 pm
Well thats where it should be right on, teeny bit low. I'd put the dot at the top of the front sight. Buy an adjustable sight or get a red dot.

Will try having the dot higher next range trip, just ordered 7 more boxes of Syntech 150. Might get a tritium front site, would like to keep the rail clean, I love the decocker button design, ultra clean.

sikacz wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:19 pm If you’re hitting the paper at 7 yards you’re good. LoL.

Good enough for HD in my small house with no possible shots longer than 7 yards. But I want to get a lot better, this is my first 9mm and only the 5th one I’ve ever shot.

I don't understand the physics, just what I gather has been worked out empirically, but I'm under the impression lighter bullets tend to hit low just as a function of mass.

I guess heavier recoil for heavier rounds tilts the barrel up that fraction of a degree higher in the slightly longer fraction of a second that the slower, heavier bullet remains in the barrel? Common wisdom holds you should practice with the same weight and velocity rounds as any you'd use defensively so you aim to the same point.

wings wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:16 pm I don't understand the physics, just what I gather has been worked out empirically, but I'm under the impression lighter bullets tend to hit low just as a function of mass.

I guess heavier recoil for heavier rounds tilts the barrel up that fraction of a degree higher in the slightly longer fraction of a second that the slower, heavier bullet remains in the barrel? Common wisdom holds you should practice with the same weight and velocity rounds as any you'd use defensively so you aim to the same point.

I would hope that the bullet is out of the barrel before it starts to tilt but I’m not sure, it’s hard to tell in slow motion video. I should Google this.
I’m assuming that Federal 70 grain is loaded to simulate self defense HP recoil because it’s screaming, makes sense to shoot hotter stuff like that at least some of the time but for regular practice I’ll stick with slower rounds. I do not grip guns as hard as I should because it almost immediately starts to make my hands sore so I’ll probably never be a “good shot” but I definitely can get a lot better at shooting this Canik.

UncleJon wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:40 pm Went to the range today.

The Norma Eco Speed 22lr is very greasy and would not cycle in my Browning Buckmark or Ruger LCP 2 about half the time. Was fine in my Ruger Bearcat revolver. Recoil is extremely low. I assume that grease would build up in guns. I will never order this ammo again.

Found it today too. Curiosity, cats. I figure it's going to be better in the 10/22, but who knows?