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Fascism Makes a Comeback — But Nothing About Its Methods Is Especially New

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:26 am
by TrueTexan
On Nov. 3, 2020, the American people conclusively decided to make Donald Trump their first one-term president in more than a quarter-century. On every previous occasion when an incumbent president was defeated — it had happened 10 times before Trump, the loser president at least swallowed his pride and honored the democratic process. Trump tried his hardest to remain in power anyway, fulfilling George Washington’s prophecy that a demagogue would manipulate partisanship “to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.”

Trump’s Big Lie about the 2020 election is being used to justify a wave of voter suppression laws throughout the nation, all of them intended to prevent the left-center majority coalition assembled by Barack Obama in 2008 from returning to power. If the voter restrictions passed in Georgia are especially odious, other states are also doing their utmost to make sure that local election officials are beholden to Trumpist Republicans (such as a secretary of state) rather than the voters.

The larger trend here is to directly erode the democratic process by making sure that Republican elected officials can decide elections if they don’t like the voters’ choices. Trump’s oft-stated contention that the only way he could lose was through fraud is becoming, in essence, the law of the land in many states. It’s easy to see how this logic can be extended to any election that Republicans believe, or at least claim to believe, that they should have won but instead lost. This is how fascism grabs a foothold, as Federico Finchelstein, chair of the history department at the New School for Social Research and author of A Brief History of Fascist Lies, told me in a recent interview.

In his book, Finchelstein told me, he explores connections between how fascists lied in the past and how contemporary fascist leaders like Trump or Brazil’s Jair Bolsonaro lie in the present. “There are many connections because they lie in the same way.” Ordinary politicians sometimes (or frequently) lie to protect their own interests or advance a specific cause, but fascists make a point of fabricating issues out of thin air. They don’t merely exaggerate, dissemble or put a biased spin on things.

“They want to change the world in order for the world to resemble those lies,” Finchelstein explained, describing how Spain’s fascist leader Francisco Franco was obsessed with “making people live those lies.” It is a universal and unmistakable characteristic of fascist politics, he said, but “not typical of other political traditions.”

Overturning elections based on Big Lies is only one Republican method of suppressing votes. They are also using the same tactics perfected by Jim Crow politicians in the South. In the aftermath of Trump’s 2020 election Big Lie, more than two dozen laws that make it harder to vote have been passed in at least 18 states. The bulk of the legislation focuses on little details here and there that, on their face, seem innocuous, but far more likely to impact low-income Black and brown voters. These include measures that limit voting days, voting hours and drop boxes, restrict assistance to voters, bar sending out unsolicited absentee ballot applications and add new voter ID requirements.

Jamelle Bouie of The New York Times recently explained how these policies are similar to those that smothered democracy for Black people during the Jim Crow era. To reject that similarity, he wrote, “mistakes both the nature and the operation of Jim Crow voting laws”:

There was no statute that said, “Black people cannot vote.” Instead, Southern lawmakers spun a web of restrictions and regulations meant to catch most Blacks (as well as many whites) and keep them out of the electorate.

One of the lessons of the South after Reconstruction is that democratic life can flourish and then erode, expand and then contract. Democracy is not a solid state, and we should be wary of politicians who would undermine any part of it for partisan advantage.

Similar policies also inspired the most infamous fascist regime of all in Nazi Germany. As Yale law professor James Q. Whitman explains in Hitler’s American Model: The United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law, Nazi lawyers closely studied Jim Crow laws and used them as a model for their Nuremberg Laws, passed to legally degrade Jews both as citizens and as a race. The Nazis kept close tabs on American race policies and used them to come up with ways of disenfranchising groups they wished to keep marginalized, although even they sometimes found American methods to be too brutal.

Like an ouroboros devouring its own tail, the American proto-fascism that inspired actualized German fascism is now returning in a mutated form to its birth soil.

“Fascism always takes on the nationalist character of its own country,” said Yale philosopher Jason Stanley, author of How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them, in an interview with Salon. “One would expect this particular version of fascism to be derived from our own American past.” In addition to drawing from Jim Crow methods, this revived American fascism uses gerrymandering, the filibuster and the vagaries of the Electoral College to make sure that Republicans hold a vastly disproportionate share of power. These methods existed long before Donald Trump, but his embrace of fascist political methods, has created the conditions for previously normal conservatives to become fascists.

“Hitler won a minority, but was placed into power as a sort of compromise, with the thinking that he could be easily controlled,” Stanley said. Instead, Hitler’s movement wound up taking over the system itself, changing its character and altering what was perceived as normal.

Could it happen here? Not long ago, Rep. Eric Swalwell, told me that he believed many of his Republican colleagues were effectively supporters of the Jan. 6 coup attempt. “I look at [Mo] Brooks and [Marjorie Taylor] Greene and [Lauren] Boebert and think that if they weren’t inside the chamber that day as members of Congress, they would have been outside the chamber that day as part of the mob,” Swalwell said.

It is telling, and tragic, to juxtapose Swalwell’s observation with Thomas Jefferson’s observation about a different “revolution,” the 1800 election, the first in which a vanquished president peaceably gave up power. John Adams loathed losing that election to Jefferson, his former and future friend, but knew that he had to accept the result for the sake of democracy. It was a moment almost as important to the history of democracy as Washington relinquishing power at the end of his presidency.

This was as important as the revolution of 1776, Jefferson later wrote, because it was “not effected indeed by the sword, as that, but by the rational and peaceable instrument of reform, the suffrage of the people. The nation declared its will by dismissing functionaries of one principle, and electing those of another in the two branches, executive and legislative, submitted to their election.”

We are in grave danger of abandoning the ideals of Washington, Adams and Jefferson and veering into the darkest areas of the American id — those that inspired Hitler and the Nazis.
https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-m ... ially-new/

"Those that don't read and understand history are doomed to repeat it." Unfortunately we have a large percentage of Americans that don't read or understand history or anything else what is is on their favorite rightwing conspiracy channel or website.

Re: Fascism Makes a Comeback — But Nothing About Its Methods Is Especially New

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:42 am
by FrontSight
Fascists never go away, they just go under ground. About 1/3 of the population of most countries tend to lean towards authoritarianism, and strongman type leaders; there's nothing new here. The difference is the information age... Since they now have a big voice, they're coming out of the wood work. Eastern Europe is heartily embracing their inner-fascist, and so are several other western nations such as the US and Brazil. Thus far the sane people are winning in the US, and if anything the fascists are retreating to the shadows little by little. In Eastern Europe the religious extremists and those who appreciate authoritarianism are having a LOT of success.

Re: Fascism Makes a Comeback — But Nothing About Its Methods Is Especially New

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:47 am
by chgowiz
FrontSight wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:42 am the fascists are retreating to the shadows little by little.
Are they, though?

It doesn't seem like it. Not when I see local and state politics veering hard right more and more each day.

Re: Fascism Makes a Comeback — But Nothing About Its Methods Is Especially New

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:35 pm
by FrontSight
Look at the ever diminishing sizes of the extremist rallies. Not saying they're not still a threat, they most certainly are. But this time last year, they had easily 10x the numbers at their rallies. Their numbers aren't going down, and the right wing extremists aren't going anywhere. They're just less inclined to do their hating in front of cameras. And that's a good thing. Anything we can do to make life less comfortable for them is a good thing.

Re: Fascism Makes a Comeback — But Nothing About Its Methods Is Especially New

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:38 pm
by INVICTVS138
I think they are here to stay, and the blacked out American flag is their new calling card.

https://livingbluetx.com/2021/09/domes ... cxeQvzf52A


I’m getting way less resistance on left wing Facebook groups and even interest in safely arming oneself; when I discuss the issue.


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Re: Fascism Makes a Comeback — But Nothing About Its Methods Is Especially New

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:51 pm
by lurker
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Re: Fascism Makes a Comeback — But Nothing About Its Methods Is Especially New

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:06 pm
by DJD100
The only good Nazis, are dead Nazis (my Dad flew B24's with the 8th AAF in WWII)...

Re: Fascism Makes a Comeback — But Nothing About Its Methods Is Especially New

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:09 pm
by lurker
:yes:

Re: Fascism Makes a Comeback — But Nothing About Its Methods Is Especially New

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:19 pm
by FrontSight
INVICTVS138 wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:38 pm I think they are here to stay, and the blacked out American flag is their new calling card.

https://livingbluetx.com/2021/09/domes ... cxeQvzf52A


I’m getting way less resistance on left wing Facebook groups and even interest in safely arming oneself; when I discuss the issue.


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For flag waving "patriots" they sure deface the US flag a lot.

Re: Fascism Makes a Comeback — But Nothing About Its Methods Is Especially New

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:21 pm
by FrontSight
lurker wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:51 pm the vast majority of these people will never go beyond making threats. as long as they think we're easy pushovers, they think there's nothing to lose. pay attention to who they are.
a self-disarmed left looks like an easy target to them. don't look like an easy target.
I spent a number of years moonlighting as a bodyguard...the money was pretty good, but the job kinda sucked. Anyhow, you learn there are 4 steps to securing anything, and it all starts with deterrence...You have it spot on. Look like a hard target, and the criminals will go pick an easier mark.

BTW, the 4 steps are:
Deter
Detect
Delay
Respond

That's how the USSS, and the military create their rings of protection.

Re: Fascism Makes a Comeback — But Nothing About Its Methods Is Especially New

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:04 pm
by TrueTexan
DJD100 wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:06 pm The only good Nazis, are dead Nazis (my Dad flew B24's with the 8th AAF in WWII)...
Mine did the same with 15th Air Force in Italy. 50 missions completed shot down on 51st and was a POW at Stalag VIIA

Re: Fascism Makes a Comeback — But Nothing About Its Methods Is Especially New

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:16 pm
by DJD100
TrueTexan wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:04 pm
DJD100 wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:06 pm The only good Nazis, are dead Nazis (my Dad flew B24's with the 8th AAF in WWII)...
Mine did the same with 15th Air Force in Italy. 50 missions completed shot down on 51st and was a POW at Stalag VIIA
Interesting, wow, 50 missions!

My Dad was shot down on his 12th mission, 4/8/44, subbing on a different crew/plane, then interned as a officer POW at Stalag Luft 1 on the Baltic, and finally rescued by the Russians on 4/30/45. It was bad luck I guess as his original crew and plane made it through the war safely with no casualties.

I've flown in a B24 via the Collings Foundation, and to think these guys were up at 20.000' plus with out pressurized cabins, with the Nazis throwing whatever they could at them, much better men than I (it was foreboding enough thinking about what they went through while flying at 3000' on a warm day over SF CA LOL)!

Here's more on my Dad's outfit if anyone is interested...

https://www.458bg.com

Re: Fascism Makes a Comeback — But Nothing About Its Methods Is Especially New

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:43 pm
by wings
Sorta relevant
The vast majority of military personnel and their families are not extremists. But even a small number of people engaged in extremist activities could damage the U.S. military's reputation, its force, its members, and the larger community. Extremist activities can also be harmful to the individuals who are radicalized and their friends and family.

To address the problem of U.S. military service members' exposure to and potential involvement in extremist movements, the authors present a framework for understanding and reducing the risk of extremism in the U.S. military. The framework calls for recognizing and scoping the problem, preventing future extremist views and activities, detecting and intervening when observing extremism, measuring extremist trends, and evaluating intervention measures.

The U.S. Department of Defense has existing programs that support personnel and their families, promote diversity and inclusion, and prevent violence. The authors recommend a community-based approach that leverages existing military programs to better support commanders with their responsibilities for combating extremism. Such an approach would not only help prevent service members and their families from associating with extremist groups but also assist the military in responding sooner—and more effectively—if members do engage in extremist activities.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA1447-1.html

There's more if anyone wants to read the pdf.
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/p ... 1447-1.pdf

Re: Fascism Makes a Comeback — But Nothing About Its Methods Is Especially New

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:20 am
by INVICTVS138
wings wrote:Sorta relevant
The vast majority of military personnel and their families are not extremists. But even a small number of people engaged in extremist activities could damage the U.S. military's reputation, its force, its members, and the larger community. Extremist activities can also be harmful to the individuals who are radicalized and their friends and family.

To address the problem of U.S. military service members' exposure to and potential involvement in extremist movements, the authors present a framework for understanding and reducing the risk of extremism in the U.S. military. The framework calls for recognizing and scoping the problem, preventing future extremist views and activities, detecting and intervening when observing extremism, measuring extremist trends, and evaluating intervention measures.

The U.S. Department of Defense has existing programs that support personnel and their families, promote diversity and inclusion, and prevent violence. The authors recommend a community-based approach that leverages existing military programs to better support commanders with their responsibilities for combating extremism. Such an approach would not only help prevent service members and their families from associating with extremist groups but also assist the military in responding sooner—and more effectively—if members do engage in extremist activities.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA1447-1.html

There's more if anyone wants to read the pdf.
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/p ... 1447-1.pdf
Thanks for the link. The all day training we as DoD employees got (referenced in the PDF) was actually really good. Much of what we received was echoed in this study. I told my entire team that I have zero tolerance for this type of behavior; and I would immediately initiate a security investigation. If you’re advocating for the violent overthrow of the US, or acts of domestic terrorism, then by law, you cannot hold a US security clearance.


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