I just dug into the records on who voted for or against relief aid to the North East in the wake of Super Storm Sandy in 2012, including my state of New Jersey.

Every single Tennessee Republican, with ONE exception, voted AGAINST aid to our region.
In both the House and Senate.

In the House every single Republican from Tennessee voted NAY:
Phil Roe
John Duncan
Chuck Fleischmann
Scott DesJarlais (the pro-lifer who forced a GF to get an abortion)
Diane Black
Marsha Blackburn
Stephen FIncher

Of the 2 Democrats representing Tennessee, only Jim Cooper, of the entire Democratic caucus, also voted NAY but Steve Cohen voted AYE.

In the Senate, only 9 Republicans voted AYE, including Tennessee's Lamar Alexander. But Alexander was the ONLY Tennessee Republican in either chamber to vote for relief. His counterpart, Bob Corker voted NAY.

The 9 included Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins, Roy Blunt, David Vitter, Thad Cochran & Roger Wicker of MS, John Hoeven, Dean Heller, and Richard Shelby.

Given the totally partisan response to deny relief to fellow Americans, do you think turnabout would be fair play?

Part of me says: It's well past time to say "FUCK OFF and FUCK YOU!" to states that elect such cruel, hateful assholes who deny their fellow Americans in need SOLELY because they are mostly Democrats, yet Democrats never, NEVER, EVER say "NO!" to Red states!

OTOH, I don't know which people in Tennessee are suffering. Are they Steve Cohen's constituents? Are they in the Democratic outposts? Do we REALLY want to make the people suffer who may be the core of eventually flipping Tennessee back and getting rid of such gargoyles as Marsha Blackburn?

What say you?

My mind says yes - screw 'em; my conscience and heart say no - too Trumpy for me to deny anyone aid in need no matter their political leanings. This from a guy that I THINK would run over Gregg Abbott in a street walkway, considering he's trying to kill me, only fair.

Wino wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:29 am My mind says yes - screw 'em; my conscience and heart say no - too Trumpy for me to deny anyone aid in need no matter their political leanings. This from a guy that I THINK would run over Gregg Abbott in a street walkway, considering he's trying to kill me, only fair.

I have the same ambivalence. Though I'd run over DeSantis first, then Abbott. Yet, it's clear that far too many ReThugs have no such ambivalence.
Remember: In 2016, only 4 of the 30 states that went Red were Donor States: Texas, Florida, Michigan, and Wisconsin. In 2020, of the 25 states that went for the Orange Thug, only 1, Florida remained a donor state. Texas became a parasite state, and, of course, Michigan and Wisconsin flipped Blue.

Red states suck the life-blood out of the producing states, then want to deny benefits when those states have a natural disaster.

i think disaster aid for Tennessee is a good idea but also with a radio, TV and media campaign that points out reality; that others are willing to help even when the help is undeserved. Every payment should come with a bold "From the Liberals for the deplorables" label as should every blanket, bottle of water or can of food.

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My current job involves a civil engineering responsibility for buried fiber optic cable for a major Telecommunications company. Several cuts to the cable traversing Trace and Hurricane creeks near Waverly TN. The devastation is widespread and total. Hard for me to imagine the sheer volume of water involved. Like so many red state areas these people are mostly poor. Didn’t have much to begin to with. My conscience would not allow me to vote no to aid.

I do think the Dems ought to be messaging the hell out of those vote tallies . But they never seem to get their shit together on messaging.

I suspected the devastation was in a rural area full of poor people, I too couldn't deny them disaster relief. Bills aren't always about one topic, I suspect there was at least one poison pill in that bill that some Republicans couldn't vote for. I'd like to see Democrats get revenge in another way, something directly targeting Republican politicians in TN.

highdesert wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:50 am I suspected the devastation was in a rural area full of poor people, I too couldn't deny them disaster relief. Bills aren't always about one topic, I suspect there was at least one poison pill in that bill that some Republicans couldn't vote for. I'd like to see Democrats get revenge in another way, something directly targeting Republican politicians in TN.

They all claimed they voted NAY because of "pork". But the bills for THEIR areas have just as much pork.
No, it's a cover because they've gotten SO partisan that every Democrat is a "Commie pinko traitor" and either spineless or "antifa terrorist" who deserves to DIE, not be helped. But they are all God's Chosen and deserve EVERYTHING.

I feel for the poor there, but....you damn well know if they are White they voting for racist shits like Marsha Blackburn.

YankeeTarheel wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:12 pm

highdesert wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:50 am I suspected the devastation was in a rural area full of poor people, I too couldn't deny them disaster relief. Bills aren't always about one topic, I suspect there was at least one poison pill in that bill that some Republicans couldn't vote for. I'd like to see Democrats get revenge in another way, something directly targeting Republican politicians in TN.

They all claimed they voted NAY because of "pork". But the bills for THEIR areas have just as much pork.
No, it's a cover because they've gotten SO partisan that every Democrat is a "Commie pinko traitor" and either spineless or "antifa terrorist" who deserves to DIE, not be helped. But they are all God's Chosen and deserve EVERYTHING.

I feel for the poor there, but....you damn well know if they are White they voting for racist shits like Marsha Blackburn.

Republicans don't give two shits for people in any class outside WASPs, much less for poor white trash. Blows my mind people vote for people that hate them and against their own self interests - pure enigma to me.

Wino wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:24 pm

YankeeTarheel wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:12 pm

highdesert wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:50 am I suspected the devastation was in a rural area full of poor people, I too couldn't deny them disaster relief. Bills aren't always about one topic, I suspect there was at least one poison pill in that bill that some Republicans couldn't vote for. I'd like to see Democrats get revenge in another way, something directly targeting Republican politicians in TN.

They all claimed they voted NAY because of "pork". But the bills for THEIR areas have just as much pork.
No, it's a cover because they've gotten SO partisan that every Democrat is a "Commie pinko traitor" and either spineless or "antifa terrorist" who deserves to DIE, not be helped. But they are all God's Chosen and deserve EVERYTHING.

I feel for the poor there, but....you damn well know if they are White they voting for racist shits like Marsha Blackburn.

Republicans don't give two shits for people in any class outside WASPs, much less for poor white trash. Blows my mind people vote for people that hate them and against their own self interests - pure enigma to me.

Maybe we SHOULD give them what they vote for!

YankeeTarheel wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:12 pm

highdesert wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:50 am I suspected the devastation was in a rural area full of poor people, I too couldn't deny them disaster relief. Bills aren't always about one topic, I suspect there was at least one poison pill in that bill that some Republicans couldn't vote for. I'd like to see Democrats get revenge in another way, something directly targeting Republican politicians in TN.

They all claimed they voted NAY because of "pork". But the bills for THEIR areas have just as much pork.
No, it's a cover because they've gotten SO partisan that every Democrat is a "Commie pinko traitor" and either spineless or "antifa terrorist" who deserves to DIE, not be helped. But they are all God's Chosen and deserve EVERYTHING.

I feel for the poor there, but....you damn well know if they are White they voting for racist shits like Marsha Blackburn.

I agree, they probably did vote for Donnie the Dunce twice and Marsha Blackburn. They live in an echo chamber of Fox News, their relatives, their friends, their church...they all reinforce their beliefs, no one challenges them. And probably some racism too.

The red states are the abusers in our federal relationship. It's a no-win for the blue states, but on the positive side there will be fewer red state whiners to feed in a year or so.

Unfortunate, but it's trending.

CDFingers

CDFingers wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:00 pm The red states are the abusers in our federal relationship. It's a no-win for the blue states, but on the positive side there will be fewer red state whiners to feed in a year or so.

Unfortunate, but it's trending.

CDFingers

But in the Red states they will still be voting.

Been reading this thread, my answer is a huge NO. Fuck the red states. But they will get it anyway.

tonguengroover wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:48 pm Been reading this thread, my answer is a huge NO. Fuck the red states. But they will get it anyway.

That's kind of the way I feel, as the OP. I, and my fellow New Jersians, were directly impacted by those assholes' attempt to deny us relief. I remember standing in line for 2 hours just to get two 5-gallon gas cans filled, figuring out how to run my furnace off our portable generator, and everyone sleeping in the family room and living room because the gas fireplace was the main source of heat.

And I remember Chris Christie, in his only 2 weeks of courage and competence, essentially losing ANY chance to be the Presidential nominee because he embraced President Obama who was TOTALLY willing to help us. Those assholes unanimously screamed that Christie should have abandoned his state, and his duty as governor, rather than work with Obama, let people freeze and suffer.

THAT is the essence of current Republicanism since the Gingrich era, and it's only gotten worse.