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Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:56 am
by Wino
Yes on survival. Read article this morn about three separate right winger talking heads and an anti-vaxer have died. For sure the RW talking heads were absolute turd supporters and I would suspect any anti-vaxer may be a prospect for turd vote. So at least three votes gone and probably four.Kinda like the old fable "74 million little Indians, then there were none" ! scenario playing out. Unfortunate it has to take some of the good ones as collateral.

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:19 am
by CDFingers
Here's an adorable thread over at freerepublic where one of their own asks why only anti vaxxers and conservative deniers are getting sick and dying of covid.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3990300/posts

Can't fix it; can't shoot 'em. Just have to wait for the Darwin awards I guess.

CDFingers

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:53 am
by highdesert
:lol: Love skimming right wing sites, often there are gems like the above.

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:34 pm
by Wino
CDFingers wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:19 am Here's an adorable thread over at freerepublic where one of their own asks why only anti vaxxers and conservative deniers are getting sick and dying of covid.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3990300/posts

Can't fix it; can't shoot 'em. Just have to wait for the Darwin awards I guess.

CDFingers
That was a short fun read.

Now I know why the shot givers asked whether I supported Turd or not, even for my booster - so I'd get the correct vax. Those sly lefties'll get you everytime !! LOL

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:43 pm
by FrontSight
There is no end to where they will take these conspiracies

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:59 pm
by sig230
When I went to get my first Covid-19 vaccination I was first put in a totally featureless room where I was required to provide documentation that I was a liberal going back at least four generations. I was then grilled on where I stood on issues of the day and only then told to make the sign of a cross using my right forefinger vertically and left middle finger horizontally exactly at the crease of the vertical finger tip.

I forgot at first and the person was about to give me the shot when I remembered and gave the sign. The person smiled and went in the other room before returning to give me my shot.

When I went for the second shot I showed the card I'd been given and the person again smiled and went in the other room before giving me the shot. In both cases they left a syringe sitting unused beside the chair.

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:25 pm
by TrueTexan
CDFingers wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:19 am Here's an adorable thread over at freerepublic where one of their own asks why only anti vaxxers and conservative deniers are getting sick and dying of covid.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3990300/posts

Can't fix it; can't shoot 'em. Just have to wait for the Darwin awards I guess.

CDFingers
After reading that I had to have a double dose of Brain Bleach.

It is great satire, unfortunately there are those that truly believe that crap, but they are slowly dwindling in numbers.

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:56 pm
by CDFingers
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Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:09 pm
by lurker
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Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:08 pm
by BearPaws
The crowd pushing for "herd immunity" taking livestock drugs is a special kind of irony.

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:10 pm
by lurker
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Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:52 pm
by cooper
Wino wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:34 pm
CDFingers wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:19 am Here's an adorable thread over at freerepublic where one of their own asks why only anti vaxxers and conservative deniers are getting sick and dying of covid.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3990300/posts

Can't fix it; can't shoot 'em. Just have to wait for the Darwin awards I guess.

CDFingers
That was a short fun read.

Now I know why the shot givers asked whether I supported Turd or not, even for my booster - so I'd get the correct vax. Those sly lefties'll get you everytime !! LOL
Damn it--they figured it out. No, the nurse doesn't have to ask your political affiliation. If you give the secret signal you were given at the last, um... pizza parlor basement "meeting" ... you get the right vaccine.

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:54 am
by TrueTexan
GOP Candidate Calls for '20 Strong Men' to Force Out Pro-Mask School Board Members

A Republican running for elected office in a Pennsylvania county on Sunday provided yet another example of the vitriol and even potential danger that school board members face over Covid-19 safety measures as children across the United States return to in-person learning.

Steve Lynch, who is running for Northampton County executive, took aim at mask mandates during a Harrisburg rally, issuing a call to action directed at "strong men" and declaring, "make men great again," tweaking a popular campaign slogan of former President Donald Trump.

"Men," Lynch said, "I need you in the coming weeks, because when we walk into those school boards, we're gonna have everything we need to do to go in there with those 9-0 school boards that voted to put these masks back on the children with no scientific—it's done! Giving them the research and the data. Do you understand that? Forget going into these school boards with frigging data. You go into school boards to remove 'em. That's what you do."

"They don't follow the law," he said of school board members. "You go in and you remove 'em. I'm going in with 20 strong men. I'm gonna speak in front of the school board and I'm gonna give them an option: They can leave or they can be removed. And then after that, we're gonna replace them with nine parents and we're going to vote down the mask mandates that evening—that evening. This is how you get stuff done. Forget writing your legislators. Forget it. They're not listening. You gotta do something. It's us. It's we the people."

As The Independent reported:

Mr Lynch is the owner of Keystone Alternative Medicine and Weight Loss, which provides "testosterone and hormone replacement therapy" as well as a bevy of weight loss and anti-aging treatments.

Known for posting grainy videos of himself talking in his car and his support of Donald Trump's false claims that the 2020 election was stolen, Mr. Lynch has recently attached himself to the GOP culture war bandwagon issue of masks in schools.

Northampton County Executive Lamont McClure, the Democrat Lynch is challenging, "asked Sheriff David Doughty to notify the Northampton Area School District, Lynch home district, about Lynch's comments," according to The Morning Call.

"Lynch's thuggery is as despicable and deplorable. Law enforcement should investigate," McClure told the Pennsylvania newspaper. "This kind of rhetoric is very dangerous. Someone can get hurt."

Noting that "as of last week, Northampton County had the fifth-highest average daily number of new Covid cases in Pennsylvania," Newsweek reported that "the county's school board voted last week to make masks mandatory for students, staff, and visitors."

U.S. Covid-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths have been on the rise throughout August as schools have resumed in-person instruction, sparking fights among adults over new safety rules—from masking and vaccination requirements to testing and physical distancing—particularly for children too young for vaccines. Although trials are underway, anyone under age 12 currently is not eligible for any of the Covid-19 vaccines authorized in the United States.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's guidance regarding masks is that "given new evidence on the B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant, CDC recommends universal indoor masking for all teachers, staff, students, and visitors to K-12 schools, regardless of vaccination status."

Nine Republican-controlled states have banned mask mandates in schools. As Common Dreams reported earlier Monday, the U.S. Department of Education announced civil rights probes targeting five of those states—Iowa, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Utah—and said it will monitor developments in Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, and Texas, where court orders or other actions are blocking the bans.

The Associated Press on Sunday detailed how a growing number of school board members, often unpaid volunteers, are reconsidering their roles due to conflicts over racial issues as well as Covid-19 policies.

According to the AP:

Police have been called to intervene in places including Vail, [Arizona,] where parents protesting a mask mandate pushed their way into a board room in April, and in Mesa County, Colorado, where Doug Levinson was among school board members escorted to their cars by officers who had been unable to de-escalate a raucous August 17 meeting. "Why am I doing this?" Levinson asked himself.

Kurt Thigpen wrote in leaving the Washoe County, Nevada, school board that he considered suicide amid relentless bullying and threats led by people who didn't live in the county, let alone have children in the schools. "I was constantly looking over my shoulder," he wrote in July.

Susan Crenshaw resigned from the Craig County, Virginia, school board this month with more than a year left in her term after being "blindsided," she said, by her board's decision to defy the state's mask mandate in a move that she said felt more driven by political than educational considerations.

"This is something that's come into play against government overreach and tyranny and other things that have absolutely nothing to do with the education of children," the former teacher, whose district has about 500 students, told the AP. "It's a bigger issue than the mask. I just feel like the mask is the spark or trigger that got this dialogue started."

ABC News on Sunday provided more snapshots exposing how "school board meetings have become emotional battlegrounds for parents and local officials" in various states including Louisiana, where Democratic Gov. John Bel Edwards has imposed a mask mandate for schools.

"Louisiana's Board of Elementary and Secondary Education's meeting earlier this month ended in chaos when a raucous crowd of angry parents packed into a hearing room and refused to wear face coverings, shouting 'no more masks,'" ABC reported.

"One person screamed, 'Don't infringe on our rights!'" the outlet noted. "At the time, Louisiana had the nation's highest rate of new Covid-19 cases per capita."

Chip Slaven, interim executive director of the National School Boards Association, told The Guardian last week that the recent degree of community engagement with pandemic policies of the more than 13,000 U.S. school boards is unprecedented.

"Before this, a controversial school board meeting might be concern over hiring a superintendent, consolidating schools, or something related to the sports teams," Slaven said. "Those were the kinds of things where you might have a crowd."

Now, he explained, "school board members are under attack in a number of ways," from confrontations online and during meetings to recall elections. According to Ballotpedia, there have been at least 61 recalls targeting 157 officials across the country so far this year, though not all of them relate to the pandemic.

Slaven noted that "there are even a couple governors making threats" directed at school boards and members. They include GOP Govs. Ron DeSantis of Florida and Greg Abbott of Texas.

"After 9/11, did a governor intervene to stop a local official from taking steps to safeguard a public meeting?" he asked. "We have 600,000 people that have died as a result of this pandemic, so you need to let local officials make these decisions that will protect people."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/ ... rd-members

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/ ... rd-members

He needs a strong dose of Ivermectin to kill the worms that are eating his brain.

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:03 am
by highdesert
To correct the antivaxxer misinformation, two Democratic US senators have introduced legislation to amend section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.
Co-sponsored by Democratic Senators Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and Ben Ray Luján of New Mexico, the Health Misinformation Act targets a provision in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which protects platforms from being held liable for what their users post in most cases.

The bill would strip the companies of that legal shield if their algorithms promote health misinformation during a public health crisis. It would not apply if such misinformation is shown in a chronological feed. (Most social platforms use algorithms to rank posts based on what they think users will be interested in,)

The legislation leaves it up to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, which is responsible for declaring public health emergencies, to define what constitutes health misinformation.
Defining which health claims are legitimate and which aren't also raises thorny issues, said Renée DiResta, who studies misinformation at the Stanford Internet Observatory.

"There are times when the consensus just isn't fully formed yet," she said, pointing to the early days of the pandemic when there were debates about whether the virus was airborne.

"Asking or expecting the platforms to take action on certain types of health misinformation may be reasonable, but this sort of dynamic that we've all watched unfold over the last year and a half makes clear how this approach has some potentially problematic pitfalls," she said.


DiResta also warned that focusing narrowly on how platforms handle specific types of content, whether it's lies about vaccines or baseless claims of election fraud, risks ignoring the bigger picture of how information is created and spread — both on social media and in other channels.

"There's hope that we can cure all of the problems of the world by amending [Section 230]," she said. "It's not so simple as we're going to regulate social media platforms and this is all going to go away."
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/22/10193461 ... isinformat


I'm a huge supporter of vaccines and a huge opponent of censorship. Trump wanted to abolish section 230, bi-partisan support for censorship is scary.


See DMs thread on CA senator Dianne Feinstein's bill to amend section 230 to prevent illegal online gun sales.
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Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:07 am
by sig230
Thuggery works.

Intimidation works.

Misinformation works.

We have ample historical examples to support those assertions.

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:46 am
by TrueTexan
As the numbers climb, Florida Gov. DeSatan is at it again
DeSantis administration blows off court ruling and strips funding from schools defying mask mandate ban

The administration of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is going ahead with plans to financially punish schools that defy his ban on mask mandates for students.

The Tampa Bay Times reports that Education Commissioner Richard Corcoran withheld funds from the Alachua and Broward county school districts that are equivalent to the salaries paid to school board members' salaries.

Both counties had defied DeSantis by implementing mask mandates and refused to back down in the face of the governor's threats.

However, there is some question of whether the decision to withhold the funding from the schools will hold up in court.

"Corcoran's announcement Monday came after Leon County Circuit Judge John Cooper on Friday ruled that DeSantis' overstepped his constitutional authority in issuing the executive order," reports the Tampa Bay Times. "Cooper issued an injunction barring Corcoran, the Department of Education and the State Board of Education from enforcing DeSantis' order. It was not clear Monday evening whether the announcement about withholding funds from the Alachua and Broward districts conflicts with Cooper's ruling."

Despite this, the Florida Department of Education released a statement Monday saying that "the withholding of funds will continue monthly until each school board complies with state law and rule."
https://www.rawstory.com/desantis-mask- ... 654844456/

Edit: Haul his ass in and jail him for contempt of court.

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:52 am
by tonguengroover
They want restaurants, schools and retail shops open but they won't vaccinate or wear a F'ing mask! They probably don't wash their hands after going potty either.
Booger pickers

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:59 am
by TrueTexan
Just going to cause a decrease in the anti-everything voters. Unfortunately will also cause illness and deaths of the innocent children. Which then the Repug pols will then blame on those liberal Dems.

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:10 am
by highdesert
People have a choice about vaccinations and they are exercising that right based on whatever reasons. People make stupid decisions everyday, but this could be a decision with fatal results. We're fully vaccinated which keeps us from serious illness and death from the virus, but not all illnesses.

The only person you can control is yourself, we have very little control over others behavior.

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:27 am
by CDFingers
sig230 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:07 am Thuggery works.

Intimidation works.

Misinformation works.

We have ample historical examples to support those assertions.
This is sadly true. The only thing I can do is to try and thwart it. I can't do "nothing." I hope there are enough folks doing that to tip the balance.

CDFingers

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:27 am
by TrueTexan
Florida chiropractor confronted for handing out anti-mask 'exemption' forms to kids

Admitting he has signed "dozens of them" a Florida chiropractor is pushing back against accusations that he is handing out no-exam medical exemptions to the parents of children who don't want their kids wearing masks in school.

With Florida in the midst of being pummeled by the COVID-19 Delta variant that is also infecting children, WFLA is reporting that Venice parents are lining up at the office of Dr. Dan Busch who one mother accused of giving out the exemptions after simply filling out a form handed out on a clipboard.

According to the report, "Paulina Testerman was in disbelief when she heard claims that Twin Palms Chiropractic was offering up mask exemptions to anyone who wanted one. Her family went to check things out for themselves."

"We were in and out, came in, signed a clipboard and handed a sheet," Testerman recalled. "Nobody asked to see our children. The forms were pre-signed, there was a stack behind the counter and they were just passed out."

Local school officials admitted they have received multiple forms from Busch's office, with Craig Maniglia of the Sarasota County School District stating, "They are being looked into. They have been given to our attorneys."

Confronted outside his lawyer's office, Busch explained he's not simply handing them out like candy.

"This is not a political thing. I am not an anti-mask person or an anti-vax person, but I am a pro-freedom, pro-choice person," he told WFLA's Allyson Henning. "I myself, I will tell you I have not given exemptions to any parents that I have not met with."

Pressed on his qualifications as a chiropractor to make the no-mask determination, he stated, "Your dentist could do this, your psychiatrist could do this, your psychologist can do this. You were looking at things like respiratory distress, hypoxia, asthma, anxiety, depression – there are a lot of qualifying conditions.
https://www.rawstory.com/florida-chirop ... xemptions/

I would bet he will tell people he can boost their immune systems to prevent them from catching COVID by a spinal manipulation.

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 2:42 pm
by TrueTexan
Florida changed its COVID-19 data, creating an ‘artificial decline’ in recent deaths

By Sarah Blaskey,Updated August 31, 2021 01:46 PM

As the delta variant spreads through Florida, data published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggest this could be the most serious and deadly surge in COVID-19 infections since the beginning of the pandemic.

As cases ballooned in August, however, the Florida Department of Health changed the way it reported death data to the CDC, giving the appearance of a pandemic in decline, an analysis of Florida data by the Miami Herald and el Nuevo Herald found.

On Monday, Florida death data would have shown an average of 262 daily deaths reported to the CDC over the previous week had the health department used its former reporting system, the Herald analysis showed. Instead, the Monday update from Florida showed just 46 “new deaths” per day over the previous seven days.

The dramatic difference is due to a small change in the fine print. Until three weeks ago, data collected by DOH and published on the CDC website counted deaths by the date they were recorded — a common method for producing daily stats used by most states. On Aug. 10, Florida switched its methodology and, along with just a handful of other states, began to tally new deaths by the date the person died.

If you chart deaths by Florida’s new method, based on date of death, it will generally appear — even during a spike like the present — that deaths are on a recent downslope. That’s because it takes time for deaths to be evaluated and death certificates processed. When those deaths finally are tallied, they are assigned to the actual data of death — creating a spike where there once existed a downslope and moving the downslope forward in time.

Listen to today's top stories from the Miami Herald:
Shivani Patel, a social epidemiologist and assistant professor at Emory University called the move “extremely problematic,” especially since it came without warning or explanation during a rise in cases.

Patel said Florida death data now show an “artificial decline” in recent deaths and without an explanation or context, and “it would look like we are doing better than we are.”

The change came the day after the state health department’s official Twitter account posted a series of late-night tweets accusing the CDC of publishing incorrect numbers, but offering little explanation.

“As a result of data discrepancies that have occurred, this week, FDOH worked quickly and efficiently with CDC to ensure accurate display of data on their website the same day,” DOH spokesperson Weesam Khoury told the Herald in a statement at the time. “To proactively ensure accurate data is consistently displayed, the Department will begin daily submission of a complete renewed set of case data to CDC, including retrospective COVID-19 cases.”

The health department did not acknowledge the subsequent change in the data structure or its abrupt onset, leaving the public scrambling for answers as more than a year’s worth of data changed from one day to the next.

“It shouldn’t be left to the public, to scientists, national policy makers or the media to guess as to what these numbers are,” Patel said. “We know from the beginning that dates matter and that they tell us different things.”

Jason Salemi, an epidemiologist at the University of South Florida who has been tracking the state’s COVID data, said reporting by date of death is better for long-term studies of the disease.

“Deaths by date of death curve is the most accurate you can get,” Salemi said. “You know exactly when people died , you know how to construct the curve and exactly when we were experiencing surges in terms of deaths.”

But Florida’s new data structure is less useful for understanding the pandemic in real time, he warned.

“When you have big surges in deaths, the deaths by date reported will always show an increase while deaths by date occurred will go down,” Salemi said.

“Someone could have died yesterday and we may not know about it for a week, or two weeks,” Salemi said. As a result, new death trends as reported by the Florida health department are significantly lower when data are first reported and don’t immediately reflect the actual number of people who died that day.

During surges of cases and deaths, averaging seven days of deaths by report date provides an important early indicator of how many people have recently died of the disease — a number that will eventually be reflected in the data by date of death, Salemi said.

Although deaths by date the person died are not currently reflecting record numbers, trends based on newly reported deaths are currently almost 31% higher than previous peaks in summer of 2020 and over the holidays, the Herald analysis showed. Of the record deaths reported to the CDC between Saturday and Monday, the Herald found that the vast majority of the 902 victims died within the past two weeks.

The Herald also found that during the last two surges the trend lines using date of death showed peaks 25% and 8% percent higher respectively than the corresponding peaks by report date.

‘Statistical sleight of hand’

The Florida health department has made several, unannounced changes to its data methodology over the span of the pandemic, abruptly switching between including and disregarding non-resident deaths in its total counts, for example. Salemi said such frequent variations make it difficult to report numbers in a consistent and transparent manner that’s easily understood by the public.

Florida hasn’t always depended on the CDC to be the exclusive publishing house for its daily numbers. Until June 4, the department published its own data, available in daily PDF reports and also provided to view and download through an online dashboard.

The downloadable data sets on cases and deaths included the report date as well as the date a person died or got sick, allowing journalists and independent researchers to select the best metric for their purposes. The daily reports showed additional cases and deaths added from one day to the next.

In June, as case numbers dropped and vaccination rates continued to rise, the health department discontinued the dashboard and changed to a weekly report. The only near-daily data was submitted by the health department to the CDC and published on the CDC Trend Tracker website.

At first, the data on the CDC website was updated in a largely predictable manner, similar to the way that the DOH had reported daily changes throughout the pandemic. Then on Aug. 10, without warning or any explanation from the health department or the CDC, the data for nearly every day of the previous year changed. Neither agency immediately explained the changes.

The CDC eventually confirmed what experts had hypothesized after comparing the new data to previous reports — that the Florida Department of Health had begun to report deaths by date of death. The change was also reflected in data about new cases, which went from being counted by date of report to “the date of specimen collection, confirmed COVID-19 laboratory test result, or clinical diagnosis,” according to the CDC website. The case data show less of a dramatic shift than death data because case data are reported more quickly than deaths.

The CDC website listed Florida as one of just 12 jurisdictions — 11 states and New York City — reporting new deaths by date of death as of the end of August. The choice of how to report is determined by each jurisdiction, according to the website.

Florida’s weekly report, published on Fridays, also shows a decline in deaths in recent weeks even as the number of total dead across the state spikes. Last Friday, the DOH report showed 389 COVID-19 deaths for the previous week. But a comparison of cumulative deaths from the report the week before showed that 1,727 additional deaths were logged by the health department over that seven-day period. The DOH chart of deaths shows a decline over the past two weeks.

DOHdeathschartAug27.png
The Florida Department of Health
The DOH weekly report notes “death counts include individuals who meet a standardized national surveillance case definition” but includes no descriptions of how the health department presents the numbers.

“Due to inherent delays in deaths being reported to the [Health] Department, the previous 14 days may be incomplete and are updated over time,” said Khoury, the health department spokesperson, in a Aug. 30 statement to the Herald. “The Department reports deaths by date of death to the CDC upon notification to the Department.

The Florida health department does not provide that explanation on its website or anywhere in its weekly reports.

In consultation with epidemiologists the Herald continued to report additional cases and deaths added to the total each day in daily updates rather than relying on the number of “new cases” and “new deaths” DOH data attribute to the previous day. However, data still appear inconsistent, as deaths backfill in large semi-weekly batches, rather than in all weekday updates.

“The CDC has started displaying the Department’s submitted retrospective file twice a week on Mondays and Thursdays, which updates previous day deaths that were subsequently reported to the Department,” Khoury explained for the first time in Monday’s statement. The difference can be an addition of eight deaths one day, and 901 the following day, as happened in the middle of last week.

Without context about how data are reported, when recent numbers are low due to reporting lags, “people will think there’s nothing going on,” said Mary Jo Trepka, an infectious disease epidemiologist and professor at Florida International University.

Economist Tim Harford, author of “The Data Detective,” who spoke generally about how data can be manipulated, said that changes in data definitions are unlikely to have long-term negative effects on scientists, but could easily confuse or mislead the layperson.

“When numbers are presented in a flattering light, an expert will generally be able to see through the dazzle quite quickly,” Harford said. “That said, I still think the truthful-yet-deceptive framing of numbers is a serious problem.”

When data are subtly distorted or presented differently than expected — something Harford called “statistical sleight of hand” — it can prompt dangerous levels of general mistrust and cynicism, he said.

“COVID is a matter of life and death and people deserve to have information that is both accurate and understandable without having to decode it,” he said.

How serious is this third wave?

Current data from Florida also show that cases and hospitalizations are at record levels, although trends seem to have plateaued over the past week.

“What we’re seeing is an active rise in cases where we can’t keep up, an active rise in deaths that, because of using actual date of deaths, has been shifted back in time and we have no idea where we really are,” said Patel, the epidemiologist from Emory University.

This plateau, she said, might not reflect reality.

“It just looks like Florida is unable to count and report its cases fast enough,” she said.

Patel said data indicate the worst has yet to come for Florida, and it’s likely that deaths will surpass past records. But it’s still too soon to know with certainty, she said.

High levels of hospitalizations also tend to correlate with higher levels of deaths, said Dr. Aileen Marty, an infectious disease professor at FIU’s Herbert Wertheim College of Medicine.

“Ultimately, having a lot of people in the hospital at the same time decreases our overall survival,” Marty said.

The more patients there are in the hospital at the same time, the harder it is for medical staff to give quality care for those patients, Marty said. As the number of patients hospitalized keeps going up, hospitals often start running out of supplies, staff and beds she said.

“The end result is that someone who, if they were the only patient they’d survive, and now might not,” she said.

“We won’t know the true magnitude of the loss of life from this summer’s surge until the fall,” said Trepka.

While deaths are not the best indicator of how the virus is currently spreading in the community because of the lag between the time of infection and death, Salemi said looking at the surging number helps “keep our finger on the pulse” of the most serious outcomes.

Sarah Blaskey is the data specialist on the Miami Herald investigations team and co-author of “The Grifter’s Club: Trump, Mar-a-Lago, and the Selling of the Presidency.” She holds a master’s degree from the Columbia University School of Journalism and was a finalist for the 2020 Livingston Award for national reporting
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/corona ... 96898.html

Seems DeSatan and his crew got caught Red handed in changes to make hime look good.
I had to take a statistics course for my Nursing degree. We had to read a book written in the 1950s but holds true today. How to Lie with Statistics One quote has always stuck with me. Statistics never lie, but statisticians do.

BTW read the comments showing how ignorant some people can be.

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:07 pm
by highdesert
Vaccines and mask wearing are dividing members of the Mormon Church.
Church leaders recently issued their strongest statement yet urging people to “limit the spread” by getting COVID-19 vaccines and wearing masks.
Members of the faith widely known as the Mormon church remain deeply divided on vaccines and mask-wearing despite consistent guidance from church leaders as the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus spreads.

About 65% of Latter-day Saints [Mormons] who responded to a recent survey said they were vaccine acceptors, meaning they’ve gotten at least one dose or plan to soon. Another 15% identified as hesitant, and 19% said they would not get the vaccine, according to the survey this summer from the Public Religion Research Institute, a polling organization based in Washington, and Interfaith Youth Core.

The survey found 79% of white Catholics and 56% of white Evangelical Protestants identified as vaccine acceptors.
Other church members are upset that their leaders aren’t letting them exercise their own decision-making about vaccines and masks. The Utah-based religion of 16 million members worldwide is one of many faiths grappling with how best to navigate the pandemic’s lingering effects.

Divisions on masking and vaccinations in the Latter-day Saint faith appear to be tracking along political lines, with conservative members being more hesitant, said Patrick Mason, associate professor of religion at Utah State University. Mason said the church’s divide is indicative of a larger pattern in the United States of political ideologies shaping people’s religious commitments.

“The common perception of Mormons and Mormonism is that when church leaders speak, church members listen and do what they’re told,” said Mason. “This has revealed sometimes how conditional that loyalty can be.”

The Latter-day Saint faith was one of the first to respond to the COVID-19 pandemic. In March 2020, church leaders suspended all church gatherings and closed temples. The church has also held three consecutive major conferences remotely since the pandemic began. The twice-yearly conference usually brings about 100,000 people to Salt Lake City over two days.

Many faith leaders have spoken in support of vaccinations, including Church President Russell M. Nelson, a former heart surgeon who got the vaccine in January and encouraged members to follow his example.

Church-owned Brigham Young University in Utah has asked students to report their vaccination status but is not requiring vaccinations. Masks are required in classrooms and any indoor spaces where social distancing isn’t possible.

Missionaries who are not fully vaccinated are also unable to receive an assignment outside of their home country.

Regarding masks at services, top church officials have said it’s up to bishops to encourage people to follow local public health guidelines.

In mid-August, they went so far as to release a statement calling on members to get the vaccine, which they described as “safe and effective.”

Among other denominations in the U.S., faith leaders have varied widely in how they address the issues of vaccinations and mask wearing. To a large extent, there has been vocal support for getting vaccinated — including from top leadership of conservative bodies such as the Southern Baptist Convention and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.
An August AP-NORC poll found that among white evangelicals, 51% are at least somewhat confident in the vaccines to be effective against variants, compared with 73% of Catholics, 66% of white mainline Protestants such as Presbyterians and Lutherans, 65% of nonwhite Protestants and 67% of the religiously unaffiliated.

Some Latter-day Saints have accused those who promote anti-vaccine rhetoric of apostasy, a term that is associated with wickedness and describes when individuals turn away from church principles.

Kristen Chevrier, co-founder of a Utah-based health freedom group that has advocated against vaccine mandates, said the church should not be involved in health choices, and she worries people are being discriminated against based on their vaccine status.

Chevrier, who is a member of the faith, said she rejects the idea that people who are anti-vaccine are apostates. She cited the church’s history of encouraging members to seek their own personal revelations with God.
One Salt Lake City church has been encouraging vulnerable people to participate in meetings virtually and sent a message to congregants in early August recommending that everyone wear masks and get the vaccine.

“Our faith leaders have been so consistent from the very beginning,” said Søren Simonsen, of Salt Lake City. “And to hear people say, ‘This is a hoax, it doesn’t matter, it’s not affecting us,’ when millions of people have died, it’s heartbreaking.”
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Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:25 pm
by sig230
Whisperings from Hidalgo County Texas.

Just Thursday and Friday 1016 additional Hidalgo County Citizens were Covid-19 positive.

For the five days figures were actually reported 1954 new Covid-19 cases were listed. By far the majority were UNDER 20 years old.

Re: Sad red state COVID numbers

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:59 am
by YankeeTarheel
We are rapidly approaching 43 million infected and 700,000 dead. Most of the new infections and deaths are in Red states. The Blue states that were hammered early on in the Pandemic have mostly instituted protocols for vaccines and masks, keeping ERs and ICUs from being overwhelmed.
The unvaccinated are the overwhelming majority of cases requiring hospitalization, at well over 95%.