Toyota Prius

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Anyone have one?
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Yes and yes.

In fact, my savings go up with the price of gas.

When I replace our Priuses (Prii?), I'd like to get something that has a higher electric/gas ratio, i.e go a lot further on batteries than current hybrids. Not quite sure I'd want to give up the hybrid concept yet for a fully electric car - something to do with redundancies. Blow out the power grid and the car can't get charged, but if it also runs on gas, no problem.
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Sonofagun wrote:I would fuck a toyota prius before Palin or Bachmann...
...the horror, the horror...

I just left the Bachmann thread...the thought of that level of degradation still has me nauseated. Sex and either of those two...? Jesus...

Just kill me now.
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My Aunt has a prius. She loves it. I love them too becaus I can see right over them on the highway in my F-250. But yeah, she loves the gas milege and brags about the feeling of helping the environment and all that. Makes me feel less guilty about my V10.

And on that other note, I can't fathem the idea either. Such the turn off. I wouldn't begin to explain and I'm tired. Anyway, good luck with the car. Get a sticker- Thanks to Bush I need Vasaline when I get Gasoline.
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I bought one at the beginning of the year. The gas I save from not driving my Dodge truck covers my cost of the car and almost the full cost of insurance. Same thought on gas- the higher it goes the better the whole deal is. Love my RoadPod.





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Considering the e-waste and ecological damage that is currently done by processing and mining rare-earth minerals used in hybrid production, I wouldn't say the Prius is "eco-friendly" by a long stretch. Also, it only gets 45 to 50mpg in the average driver's hands. A turbocharged Hyundai Elantra will hit 40mpg on the highway, and a VW Jetta Diesel will return 52mpg with a TON more torque and none of the tin-box feeling.

I drove one when I was working part-time as a cab driver and it's honestly the chintzy-est car I've ever been in. The plastics are cheaper than what you get in a Hyundai Accent or Kia Rio (same company I know), the performance is just mind-numbingly crap, and there are blind spots a plenty. Also, that hokey, hyped up "mileage monitor" in the center console readout is just annoying and gimmicky. If they were TRULY serious about being green, they'd just install a plug-in charger so people who live in carbon-neutral power states like me (AZ gains over 90% of it's power from Hydroelectric and nuke!) could actually reduce greenhouse gases.

For as much as they charge for it, you can do far better. Only 50mpg? Suzuki was getting that with their swift/geo metro line of 3 cylinder hatchbacks and they had FASTER acceleration! Yes, not as many airbags, but the problem is that if a Prius is hit, the entire chassis is a throw-away! You'll survive and well from what I experienced (was hit head on in one at the same job at about 35mph, walked away) but the car will be totaled no matter how hard the impact over 20mph.

The Fiesta, German turbo diesels, Hyundai '11 turbo engines and the Ford Fusion hybrid return 40 to 45mpg highway, and close to that city these days. For me, Toyota doesn't impress me with a car that has one trick only.

But, like Apple products: They aren't any better but have very very slick marketing. They don't call them Toyota "Pious" for nothing, since the brand encourages Prius drivers to think they're better than everyone else because they drive a hybrid.

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I had one as a rental on two different business trips and wasn't impressed. The acceleration was mediocre at best, lots of blind spots and it felt cheap. Last trip I was on a couple months ago I had a Ford Fusion Hybrid and liked it far better than the Prius. My poor abused old 2003 Civic is soon to be traded in and I'm seriously considering the Fusion.
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My parents used to have one. I once drove it in to a ditch, for a moment I was panicked until I realized I could push it out one handed. First time I drove it, it took me half an hour to figure out how to get the damn thing to start.

If they make an electric car with all wheel drive I might get it. My cousin just got a 20 year old (mercedes?) Diesel sedan and it gets upwards of 50mpg. He said he drove from NC to Boston on one tank.
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KVoimakas wrote:+1 to diesel powered cars.

Preferably with all wheel (or four wheel) drive. 8-)
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Europe is much more "diesel friendly" than US, one has the option of Diesel or Petrol is most models. When I bought a new car last year the hybrids were very expensive and other than VW, all the diesel cars were high end like MB. I ended up with a small PZEV car with a six speed stick shift which gets close to 40 mpg.
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I agree with new-Trotsky. We just traded one of our SUVs in on an Elantra. We'll use the SUV when its snowing, but its a pleasure to get 40MPG when its not snowing. Most folks who buy electric cars don't consider all the hydrocarbons created by the power plants that supply the electricity to charge their batteries.

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JoelB wrote:I agree with new-Trotsky. We just traded one of our SUVs in on an Elantra. We'll use the SUV when its snowing, but its a pleasure to get 40MPG when its not snowing. Most folks who buy electric cars don't consider all the hydrocarbons created by the power plants that supply the electricity to charge their batteries.
Hyundai's quality has greatly improved and they are rated right up with Honda and Toyota. Plus they've always offered loaded vehicles at standard prices. I was very impressed when I was researching new cars.
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Curious if any Prius owners know their operating cost per mile? I have a Scion that I can squeeze 32mpg out of (with snow tires) which is about 9.7 cents per mile.
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My last tank in the '09 Prius at $2.98/gal comes out to 6.3c/mile. Cold temps, in the 30s, pull the mileage down. Weeks of 50-60 degrees pushes the mpg to 49ish on the highway. City mpg can be higher than the highway due to the electric motor do more more in stop/go and all shuts off completely at stops.
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GlockLobster wrote:Curious if any Prius owners know their operating cost per mile? I have a Scion that I can squeeze 32mpg out of (with snow tires) which is about 9.7 cents per mile.
Squeezing fuel mileage is not hard on the Prius. Pulsing the accelerator is one of the most common technique hypermilers use, and this, combined with things like 4-6 psi higher than factory recommended tire pressures, engine heater block and grill blocking in winter, and judicious use of the aircon can get 60-70 mpg out of the car. I've only ever gone up to 65mpg on mine in warm weather over several tanks, and 50mpg in winter.

By operating cost I'm taking it to mean fuel + servicing - I haven't calculated this but I do know that the Prius is one of the most reliable cars (not just among hybrids).
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Damnit, I had written a very long diatribe but got logged out and lost it.

Comparing diesel mpg and gas mpg straight up isn't entirely fair. To produce a gallon of diesel requires 17-25% more oil (depending on whether the gas is reformulated with MTBE or ethanol) and emits 17% more greenhouse gases. That is just production. And you pay for all of that oil, which is part of the reason why diesel gas is more expensive. So while burning a gallon of diesel emits fewer greenhouse gasses than does burning a gallon of gas, and diesel cars are more efficient, its basically a wash from an environmental standpoint when you consider production. PLUS, even the cleanest diesel engines still emit a ton more soot than gas. Its not even close. (Although, I have read that a couple of new diesel cars come close to meeting the tailpipe emissions of gas cars, but I don't know which ones.)
The California Air Resources Board has concluded that diesel soot is responsible for 70% of the state's risk of cancer from airborne toxics. In the population as a whole, studies have shown a 26% increase in mortality in people living in soot-polluted cities.
As far as hybrids go, its true that they have batteries that have toxic materials in them and use rare earth materials. But lithium batteries are so much less toxic than lead batteries this too is a wash. Plus, I know that Honda and Toyota both put stickers on their batteries offering something like a $200 reward if you recycle them. They claim to be able to recycle all parts with high efficiency. So, I doubt that the cars are any more toxic. However, increased use of rare earth materials is probably something to think twice about - especially considering China has a lockdown on rare earth resources.

And its also true that electric vehicles ultimately get their energy from some other source - gasoline, natural gas, coal, hydro-power, nuclear. But regardless of the production source, electrical plants are much more efficient at capturing that energy than is your car. Which is why it would cost about $1,200 a year in gas for a car getting 40mpg driving 15,000 miles while an electric car would only cost about $500 to "fuel" for the same distance. Of course, where that electricity comes from makes a difference. If your area uses coal fired power plants, you are probably generating more greenhouse gases than if you just used a gas car. But if you are in an area using nuclear power, greenhouse gases are not an issue (although there are potentially other environmental costs of nuclear power). In the US, with our patchy mix of electrical sources, you may or may not be helping out the environment. In some parts of Europe, with far greener electrical production, it probably is quite a bit 'greener'.

In all, I think diesel efficiencies are counteracted by the inefficiency of production. And the soot is not cool. Which is why 5 states ban the sale of diesel cars. Unless you are burning veggie oil, diesel is not any more environmentally friendly.

Electric vehicles are not quite there yet, but as their energy efficiency increases, and our electric grid becomes greener, they may be the way to go in the future.

Hybrid cars are not nearly as toxic as purported and represent a tangible way to turn a 20mpg SUV into a 30mpg SUV - which is a big difference in consumption over the life of the vehicle. And as things like regenerative braking become more efficient, and other innovative ways to turn motion into electricity are advanced, hybrids will become even more attractive.

For all you prius owners out there, you can add a solar panel to your roof for about $3,000 and make it go an extra 20 miles per day on just electric. And you know it will be clean electric.
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Ford's bringing the Focus this year with 3 different hybrid or all electric setups, along with the usual gas jobs. The Volt will be out also, and if you trip is 40 miles or less the gas motor doesn't even need to be turned on. Actually all the US manufacturers are coming this year with stuff years ahead of the rest. The Volt is pricey, but is a true electric with an on-board generator no connection to the wheels for the gas motor. This is like (believe it or not) the way every diesel locomotive has been built since WWII, many of them by (guess who) GM. What this does is leverage the electric driveline to the max, allows a very purpose built generator to run efficiently - this is a full sized car getting 37mph after the first 40 or so miles done on the batteries.

My choice would be a Focus with the Advanced Hybrid package. The Ford Sync package is awesome.
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GlockLobster wrote:Curious if any Prius owners know their operating cost per mile? I have a Scion that I can squeeze 32mpg out of (with snow tires) which is about 9.7 cents per mile.
I'll let you know...I picked one up this afternoon. Not that I wouldn't have preferred a diesel version but...
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Plug in diesel hybrid using homemade biodiesel :yes:
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