Biden renews call for AWB, mag ban, UBCs, ERPOs, repeal of PLCAA

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Statement by President Joe Biden on the 5th Anniversary of the Pulse Nightclub Shooting
It is long past time we close the loopholes that allow gun buyers to bypass background checks in this country, and the Senate should start by passing the three House-passed bills which would do exactly that. It is long past time we ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines, establish extreme risk protection orders, also known as “red flag” laws, and eliminate gun manufacturers’ immunity from liability.
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On the one hand, yes, it's foolish. Yet we see with this recent spate of mass shootings, we see lots of people calling on Congress to "do something." Maybe one year before most voters will be thinking about whom to vote for. If the Dems can show they "tried everything" but only got UBC or maybe nothing--if the economy is going well, covid infections down and fewer troubles there, things opening up, more products available, and so on--maybe not as bad as we fear. We must recall the Dems' unique skills that snatch defeat from the jaws of victory time and time again.

Living in interesting times.

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Biden won the 2020 election, but didn't have coattails and Democrats lost House seats and their hold on the Senate is on life support. I think Biden's personal polls will continue to do well because of his handling of the pandemic and an improving economy. His continuation of the tough policy against China steals the thunder from Republicans and working across the aisle helps his reputation.

Historically with very few exceptions, the party that holds the WH loses seats in Congress during mid term elections. His presidential statement issued yesterday on the anniversary of the Pulse Night Club massacre feeds the anti-gun Democratic base, Biden isn't even in the WH he's in Europe.

Democratic politicians like Republican politicians make statements that tell their followers what they want to hear - not what they are able to accomplish. Biden knows he doesn't have the votes to do any of those things.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Will Biden really lose seats from centrists and lefty gun owners when the other option is Q Trumpers? I doubt it.

Also even though sikacz is correct dem gun owners may not like gun control but how many want gun control more than hard line dem gun owners and you must consider how many dems do that do not have guns and are in favor of gun control vs ones that don't. I think the dems/centrists that want some sort of gun control is higher than hard liners dems.

And those people already voted. They voted for Biden.
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I guess we will see. I won’t be voting for any dems on the federal level on the mid terms. I will and do vote local. Likewise I will not vote for state level dems that take up bloomie’s positions. I’ve been a democratic delegate on the state level in the past, if they don’t want my f’n vote fine. I won’t cry if the dems lose the house and senate. Likewise in 24 biden won’t get my vote either. He didn’t this time either, blank got my vote. Sure I’m just one vote, but how many like me can the dems afford to piss off and lose. If they took up healthcare, root causes, and a slew of traditional liberal left positions I’d be right on board. This strategy is shortsighted and frankly stupid. I’m not at all convinced that the numbers are worth it. There are plenty of democrats that have guns and hold positions like mine. How many will be disgusted, that is what we are about to see.
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lurker wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:45 pm ii think you're making a mistake. the primaries are the time to take such a position. YMMV.
I predict all the dem candidates will have the same stupid shortsighted position on guns in the primaries. I’m simply recognizing that there will be no suitable candidate. I knew this was coming before the last primaries when I read the candidate positions. I doubt I’ll be wrong in the next or 24. I simply don’t believe the dems will have an enlightening moment.
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sikacz wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:31 pm I guess we will see. I won’t be voting for any dems on the federal level on the mid terms. I will and do vote local. Likewise I will not vote for state level dems that take up bloomie’s positions. I’ve been a democratic delegate on the state level in the past, if they don’t want my f’n vote fine. I won’t cry if the dems lose the house and senate. Likewise in 24 biden won’t get my vote either. He didn’t this time either, blank got my vote. Sure I’m just one vote, but how many like me can the dems afford to piss off and lose. If they took up healthcare, root causes, and a slew of traditional liberal left positions I’d be right on board. This strategy is shortsighted and frankly stupid. I’m not at all convinced that the numbers are worth it. There are plenty of democrats that have guns and hold positions like mine. How many will be disgusted, that is what we are about to see.
I hear ya, but Biden won the popular vote by a lot without you or people like you and your political mindset. So I don't think Biden is going to need your vote anyways.
Besides, Biden will not run next term.
As I mentioned, the alternative is more trumpers and QAnon crazy F'ers. What if dems lose the house, senate and the presidency. Will you not care and continue your one stance vote or will you look at all?
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tonguengroover wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:14 pm
sikacz wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:31 pm I guess we will see. I won’t be voting for any dems on the federal level on the mid terms. I will and do vote local. Likewise I will not vote for state level dems that take up bloomie’s positions. I’ve been a democratic delegate on the state level in the past, if they don’t want my f’n vote fine. I won’t cry if the dems lose the house and senate. Likewise in 24 biden won’t get my vote either. He didn’t this time either, blank got my vote. Sure I’m just one vote, but how many like me can the dems afford to piss off and lose. If they took up healthcare, root causes, and a slew of traditional liberal left positions I’d be right on board. This strategy is shortsighted and frankly stupid. I’m not at all convinced that the numbers are worth it. There are plenty of democrats that have guns and hold positions like mine. How many will be disgusted, that is what we are about to see.
I hear ya, but Biden won the popular vote by a lot without you or people like you and your political mindset. So I don't think Biden is going to need your vote anyways.
Besides, Biden will not run next term.
As I mentioned, the alternative is more trumpers and QAnon crazy F'ers. What if dems lose the house, senate and the presidency. Will you not care and continue your one stance vote or will you look at all?
Mine is not a one position, never has been. I’m a left liberal democratic socialist type and biden and the neoliberals have little to offer except they are not republicans or trump. I won’t cry if they lose all of it. Why, because the dems didn’t care to build bridges with those that should be in their camp. Don’t put the blame on me, if you don’t and the dems don’t think they need my vote what f’n reason do I have to care what happens. None.
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CDFingers wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:28 pm So tough to show the voters the connections among shootings and root causes. A challenge for the best wordsmiths.

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It's not tough... We're just up against a very well funded anti-gun apparatus that creates content which it then amplifies, and then sends out those amplified messages to media as "news", which it most certainly is not.

If we could get that money out of politics, the messaging would be quite easy to disseminate, because it's the truth.

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tonguengroover wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:14 pm
sikacz wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:31 pm I guess we will see. I won’t be voting for any dems on the federal level on the mid terms. I will and do vote local. Likewise I will not vote for state level dems that take up bloomie’s positions. I’ve been a democratic delegate on the state level in the past, if they don’t want my f’n vote fine. I won’t cry if the dems lose the house and senate. Likewise in 24 biden won’t get my vote either. He didn’t this time either, blank got my vote. Sure I’m just one vote, but how many like me can the dems afford to piss off and lose. If they took up healthcare, root causes, and a slew of traditional liberal left positions I’d be right on board. This strategy is shortsighted and frankly stupid. I’m not at all convinced that the numbers are worth it. There are plenty of democrats that have guns and hold positions like mine. How many will be disgusted, that is what we are about to see.
I hear ya, but Biden won the popular vote by a lot without you or people like you and your political mindset. So I don't think Biden is going to need your vote anyways.
Besides, Biden will not run next term.
As I mentioned, the alternative is more trumpers and QAnon crazy F'ers. What if dems lose the house, senate and the presidency. Will you not care and continue your one stance vote or will you look at all?
So Biden doesn't need his vote, but we should worry that Biden doesn't need his vote?

Biden needs to recognize that the money Bloomberg paid for the anti gun stance of the Biden administration comes with a lot of attached strings, and one of those strings is that it's going to lose a large swath of voters. That's the price of having a paid political platform for gun control which has historically been shown to lose the Democrats elections.

If the Democrats are too pig-headed to realize that it's a losing strategy, it's no one's fault but theirs.

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