Palmer v. Sisolak.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 73.1.0.pdf

12. But Nevada’s Ban completely and categorically prohibits individuals not
prohibited from exercising their Second Amendment rights from possessing, acquiring, and
self-manufacturing firearms that are of types, functions, and designs, and are themselves,
commonly owned and possessed firearms—self-made firearms that do not bear a
manufacturer’s serial number—by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes.
13. Plaintiffs therefore bring this challenge because they unquestionably face “a
realistic danger of sustaining a direct injury as a result of the law’s operation or
enforcement,” Skyline Wesleyan Church v. Cal. Dep't of Managed Health Care, 968 F.3d
Case 3:21-cv-00268 Document 1 Filed 06/10/21 Page 4 of 38
COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF
738, 747 (9th Cir. 2020), seek to vindicate their rights, and to immediately and permanently
enjoin enforcement of Nevada’s Ban as required to conform the law to the Constitution’s
text, our Nation’s history and tradition, and the Supreme Court’s binding Heller, McDonald,
and Caetano decisions.

Meanwhile, Nevada's ban on home-built firearms is in effect. As of Tuesday, 6/8, if you own a receiver in Nevada, it supposedly is illegal to use it to build a firearm. If you have a receiver or a firearm you completed using such a receiver, you have until 1/1/2022 to destroy or surrender it.

FPC breaks Palmer down to a 2nd and 14th Amendment claim and a takings claim in their complaint.

MrGunsandGear had Bill Sack from FPC on to explain. Sack is listed as one of the FPC attorneys on the complaint:

I thought Nevadans were smarter than this. What happened, did Californian politicians infect the Nevadans as well?

-->Palmer v. Lombardo
Plaintiffs' Proposed Findings of Fact:
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firear ... 1724283646

From the OP:

self-made firearms that do not bear a manufacturer’s serial number

For context:

Receivers that meet the definition of a “firearm” must have markings, including a serial number. See 27 CFR § 478.92, Firearm manufacturers marking requirements.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/when-do ... al-numbers

For further context:

https://regulations.atf.gov/478-92/2024-13699

Yep. That's what the law says. It's pretty unambiguous. I see no downside to following that law.

CDF

Lesson #1 @ 2:40

https://youtu.be/9tocssf3w80

papajim2jordan wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:53 pm Lesson #1 @ 2:40

https://youtu.be/9tocssf3w80

I might watch his other vids.

The Gun Control Act of 1968 was the first to require serial numbers on guns. I don't think this idea of serial numbers on home made buns is “obeying in advance.” It’s been on the books for nearly sixty years. When it’s on the books for like six decades, it’s “normal.” From the video: “Normal is good. Normal is upholding a norm.” It’s normal to require serial numbers on guns.

He talks about the process of normalization, but there’s a dark and unnecessary tinge in there.

Things orange are and were normalized because the rich want tax cuts. I think it important that we separate things orange from this specific gun law. The presenter in the video is making a point about how things get normalized. However, just because something becomes normal does not mean it falls into the same category as Big Media sane-washing things orange. We can get caught on the slippery slope if we don’t watch out. Seat belts became normal, is a case in point.

I say there is no downside to putting serial numbers on home made guns. I think it’s a normal thing for guns. Guns are special. Guns require special consideration.

CDF

I admit that I have not looked at everything in this post, so there may be some Trump crap in there somewhere. I am however pretty vomit sick of everything being associated with him simply because everyone here wishes him a ticket to hell. Nothing to do with Trump in my view.

If you like affixing numbers to your things that's fine. I have no idea where this will lead but it seems to me that those who wish to do bad will find a way to do so and another hoop jump for everyone else not going to address the stated reason for the requirement.

Still, no one has said how the machine will put it's mark on the thing so as to have any permanence. Once worn, melted, chipped away, what then? Even the high tech poly-wolly doodle frame of the Glock needed a metal bit to put a number to. The number stuff is only as good as the intentions of people doing the making. Might as well be a sticker, along with an admonition to be nice to others.

I feel better about it already.

One wonders, what percentage of firearms crimes are solved through the use of serial numbers?

Individuals who make their own firearms may use a 3D printing process or any other process, as long as the firearm is “detectable” as defined in the Gun Control Act. You do not have to add a serial number or register the PMF if you are not engaged in the business of making firearms for livelihood or profit.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/privately-made-firearms

Link and quote from ATF. It’s clear that personally made guns not to be sold but for personal use do not need serial numbers. Serial numbers are required of manufacturers who make firearms for sale. Those of us who make for ourselves are exempt. This is not a hard concept and should be changed just be cause bloomie and biden want it changed.

sikacz wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 6:15 pm

Individuals who make their own firearms may use a 3D printing process or any other process, as long as the firearm is “detectable” as defined in the Gun Control Act. You do not have to add a serial number or register the PMF if you are not engaged in the business of making firearms for livelihood or profit.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/privately-made-firearms

Link and quote from ATF. It’s clear that personally made guns not to be sold but for personal use do not need serial numbers. Serial numbers are required of manufacturers who make firearms for sale. Those of us who make for ourselves are exempt. This is not a hard concept and should be changed just be cause bloomie and biden want it changed.

It's good to know that that's how it now stands. Keep your fingers crossed.

CDF

I have not had an answer about no serial numbers on guns manufactured and sold before 1968. What to do about them

TrueTexan wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:29 pm I have not had an answer about no serial numbers on guns manufactured and sold before 1968. What to do about them

I still want to know what percentage of gun related crimes are solved due to a serial number.

featureless wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:00 pm

TrueTexan wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:29 pm I have not had an answer about no serial numbers on guns manufactured and sold before 1968. What to do about them

I still want to know what percentage of gun related crimes are solved due to a serial number.

I’ll be waiting for that bit of information too. LoL. I won’t hold my breath.

sikacz wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:31 pm

featureless wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:00 pm

TrueTexan wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:29 pm I have not had an answer about no serial numbers on guns manufactured and sold before 1968. What to do about them

I still want to know what percentage of gun related crimes are solved due to a serial number.

I’ll be waiting for that bit of information too. LoL. I won’t hold my breath.

Seems to me the serial number isn't critical, except to trace ownership of a firearm. It's the ballistics in criminal cases, "was this bullet fired by this firearm". Criminals can and do swap out barrels. The Gun Control Act of 1968, passed after the assassinations of JFK, RFK and MLK was an emotional response by Congress to a tragic period in our history.

From what I have read, the vast majority of investigations don't trace firearms as it's not needed nor really informative as to the case. The money/time is better spent elsewhere.

BKinzey wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:05 pm From what I have read, the vast majority of investigations don't trace firearms as it's not needed nor really informative as to the case. The money/time is better spent elsewhere.

Which means the only purpose for requiring serial numbers is for a future registration of firearms.