8 killed, 9 injured during Indianapolis shooting

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8 dead, more injured in shooting at FedEx facility near the airport
Eight people were killed during a mass shooting at the FedEx Ground Plainfield Operations Center late Thursday, according to Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department spokesperson Genae Cook.

The victims were found dead at the scene, Cook said during a briefing after 3 a.m. Friday. The dead had injuries consistent with gunshot wounds. The gunman was found dead in what is believed to be a suicide nearby.
Four people were transported by ambulance, with one in critical condition with injuries consistent with gunshot wounds. Three others were transported with various other injuries, according to police. Two people were treated at the scene and released. Multiple others walked into different local hospitals.
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seems like there's another one of these every couple of days. i don't remember this during TFuckingG's 4 years, where/why were these nutsos (highly technical diagnostic term) hiding? did Dumbo somehow give their lives meaning and purpose by validating their hatefulness, and joe isn't filling that void? do we have any sociologists who can explain?
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lurker wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:41 am seems like there's another one of these every couple of days. i don't remember this during TFuckingG's 4 years, where/why were these nutsos (highly technical diagnostic term) hiding? did Dumbo somehow give their lives meaning and purpose by validating their hatefulness, and joe isn't filling that void? do we have any sociologists who can explain?
I think it's got a lot to do with pandemic stress. So much uncertainty isn't good for a lot of people. But, yeah, probably the incessant screeching by Fox News about the "librul agenda" isn't helping.

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We don't know anything about the POS who did this, yet. Other than he shot himself, we don't know who, what, or why.
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Homicide by firearm in 2020was the highest it has been in the past 20 years. I believe that one of the reasons we have not heard as much about mass shootings is because of all of the lockdown measures over the past year and a half that have reduced our ability to congregate, and thus reduced the ease of carrying out a mass shooting. Murders have been increasing recently, but the pandemic put a pause on mass shootings.

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Turns out the shooter was known, and the family warned the police about him.
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YankeeTarheel wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:00 pm Sooner or later we all know someone who knows someone....like 9/11. Everywhere I turned I knew someone who had lost someone.
Considering your proximity to New York, I’m not surprised. Through the internet connections, we all eventually know someone. Like we know you and others. It’s an f’ed up world. Not sure all this connectivity is all that great. It also seems to encourage copy cats and others.
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featureless wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:46 pm Fucking shocker.
Not only that but....
Chief Randal Taylor of the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department said the gunman in the attack bought two assault-style weapons in July and September. Months earlier, his mother had warned the police about his mental state.
And his gun was seized....Say what you want about RFLaws and the guy could have probably gotten a gun one way or another BUT......A mass shooting that ended in suicide is pretty much the definition of 'insane'...

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Seems to me that there should have been more effort put into diagnosing and observation after his mother’s reporting in March and the police confiscation of his shotgun. I tend to see this as a failure of our healthcare system. Did the doctor’s just release him after an initial observation period? Was he really even held and observed? If he was what did they determine? Why was he not kept under some type of regular supervision? This is turning out to be another failure, another failure to address the underlying reason for an individual’s violence. It’s also an information failure, not shared.
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sikacz wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:28 am Seems to me that there should have been more effort put into diagnosing and observation after his mother’s reporting in March and the police confiscation of his shotgun. I tend to see this as a failure of our healthcare system. Did the doctor’s just release him after an initial observation period? Was he really even held and observed? If he was what did they determine? Why was he not kept under some type of regular supervision? This is turning out to be another failure, another failure to address the underlying reason for an individual’s violence. It’s also an information failure, not shared.
Adding to this: How are Red Flag laws connected to mental health care? A psychiatrist or psychologist can recommend or even order someone held for mental health reasons, theoretically violating their 4A and 5A rights, and only the Scientologists object--the rest of us know that someone delusional or displaying other severe MH issues needs to be immediately cared for in a hospital just like the victims of an accident or a shooting get immediately "detained"--I.E. taken to a hospital. No one objects to a badly injured person taken to an ER without bitchin' about their "rights" being violated.

Clearly there is a failure in the Red Flag Law in Indiana (and certainly nationally) and its connection to the N.I.C.S. system. The system SHOULD know if a Red Flag has been ordered, and if that order is lifted. Adding a delay, rather than a denial, and a verification of the order being lifted, perhaps should also be part of the N.I.C.S. system. The reports all say that this guy, reported by his MOTHER, was then declared by authorities that "no crime has been committed"!

Well, isn't that the POINT of a Red Flag system, to PREVENT a crime from being committed? O/W WTF is the POINT??????
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In CA an individual can be detained on a psychiatric hold if they are determined to be a threat to themselves or to others. The 5150 process can be initiated by a cop, a physician or a mental health professional. The individual is held for 72 hours for evaluation and that can be extended by a judge. Every state is different.
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Okay, root causes.

There is a pattern that underlies so many of the failures that get discussed from immigration to shootings and other areas as well and that is communication.

The US is the only major somewhat civilized nation I know of that does not even know who is actually a citizen. We have no database of citizens.

And we have no database of those who have mental illnesses or have committed felonies or who ...

We by design don't keep or share records.

But there is both a cost and value to that position.

If we are not going to keep and share records then we cannot expect to benefit from such knowledge.
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highdesert wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:49 am In CA an individual can be detained on a psychiatric hold if they are determined to be a threat to themselves or to others. The 5150 process can be initiated by a cop, a physician or a mental health professional. The individual is held for 72 hours for evaluation and that can be extended by a judge. Every state is different.
Yup. The problem is there are no treatment paths after the hold. I am way too intimately familiar with this system and it is largely a total failure. It is up to the individual and/or their families to come up with the resources beyond the 72 hours. And treatment facilities are so overloaded one can spend weeks in a hospital "psych" ward before getting a spot in an actual treatment center. And that treatment can be $10s of thousands with priority to those with health care that will pay it.

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featureless wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:02 am
highdesert wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:49 am In CA an individual can be detained on a psychiatric hold if they are determined to be a threat to themselves or to others. The 5150 process can be initiated by a cop, a physician or a mental health professional. The individual is held for 72 hours for evaluation and that can be extended by a judge. Every state is different.
Yup. The problem is there are no treatment paths after the hold. I am way too intimately familiar with this system and it is largely a total failure. It is up to the individual and/or their families to come up with the resources beyond the 72 hours. And treatment facilities are so overloaded one can spend weeks in a hospital "psych" ward before getting a spot in an actual treatment center. And that treatment can be $10s of thousands with priority to those with health care that will pay it.

Yes, it's a temporary fix to a bigger problem which is our health care system and even more screwed up is the mental health care system. Patients bill of rights and patient care advocates in the 1970s got the CA legislature to close state hospitals with a plan to push services down to counties but the counties never got the financial resources from the state. There is more funding to treat physical health conditions than mental health ones and there is the social stigma. There are a lot more specialists to treat physical conditions than mental ones and surgeons make a lot more than psychiatrists.
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YankeeTarheel wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:36 am
sikacz wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:28 am Seems to me that there should have been more effort put into diagnosing and observation after his mother’s reporting in March and the police confiscation of his shotgun. I tend to see this as a failure of our healthcare system. Did the doctor’s just release him after an initial observation period? Was he really even held and observed? If he was what did they determine? Why was he not kept under some type of regular supervision? This is turning out to be another failure, another failure to address the underlying reason for an individual’s violence. It’s also an information failure, not shared.
Adding to this: How are Red Flag laws connected to mental health care? A psychiatrist or psychologist can recommend or even order someone held for mental health reasons, theoretically violating their 4A and 5A rights, and only the Scientologists object--the rest of us know that someone delusional or displaying other severe MH issues needs to be immediately cared for in a hospital just like the victims of an accident or a shooting get immediately "detained"--I.E. taken to a hospital. No one objects to a badly injured person taken to an ER without bitchin' about their "rights" being violated.

Clearly there is a failure in the Red Flag Law in Indiana (and certainly nationally) and its connection to the N.I.C.S. system. The system SHOULD know if a Red Flag has been ordered, and if that order is lifted. Adding a delay, rather than a denial, and a verification of the order being lifted, perhaps should also be part of the N.I.C.S. system. The reports all say that this guy, reported by his MOTHER, was then declared by authorities that "no crime has been committed"!

Well, isn't that the POINT of a Red Flag system, to PREVENT a crime from being committed? O/W WTF is the POINT??????
Seems how the Indiana 'RFL case played out may show a short coming..Shotgun was seized..but the 'case' never went to court..the kid just said, 'keep it'..so the 'Red Flag' part was never instituted and recorded and hence, not into any sort of 'system.

I wonder if that's the same in Colorado..person that gets gun seized..just says, 'keep 'em' and it all ends.

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