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What do you guys think of this?

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:45 pm
by Caliman73
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110118/pl_ ... egulations

I have seen people jump on him for this initiative saying that it is one more indication that Obama is a corporatist.

While my initial reaction was "Damn it Obama", I do think that over regulation can definitely stifle business.

Re: What do you guys think of this?

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:57 pm
by amrev360
As far as regulations go, I suppose it depends on which industry is being regulated/deregulated. The construction industry for example is historically one of the most dangerous and pollutive (is that a word?) industries in the world. We have to abide by OSHA, WISHA (in WA state), L&I (safety defense procedures different from before mentioned), EPA/ Clean Water Act. There are just typical safety/environmental regulations.

While this may seem like a lot of work, it does a very good job at keeping workers alive and the environment protected. Because of the Clean Water Act the painter can't just dump his paint thinner on the ground anymore for example, and the iron workers can't work 30 stories above the ground without fall protection.

So here is what gets me... why aren't other industries like the energy industries held to the same standards? Obviously BP proved that they're policing themselves to a pretty large extent. :no: Don't get me started on the financial people.

Re: What do you guys think of this?

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:27 pm
by GlockLobster
Whatever it does, it only bolsters his "willingness to compromise" nature. Looking towards the 2012 election, the battle may(probably will) be for the middle of the electorate.

Re: What do you guys think of this?

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:46 pm
by Caliman73
amrev360 wrote:As far as regulations go, I suppose it depends on which industry is being regulated/deregulated. The construction industry for example is historically one of the most dangerous and pollutive (is that a word?) industries in the world. We have to abide by OSHA, WISHA (in WA state), L&I (safety defense procedures different from before mentioned), EPA/ Clean Water Act. There are just typical safety/environmental regulations.

While this may seem like a lot of work, it does a very good job at keeping workers alive and the environment protected. Because of the Clean Water Act the painter can't just dump his paint thinner on the ground anymore for example, and the iron workers can't work 30 stories above the ground without fall protection.

So here is what gets me... why aren't other industries like the energy industries held to the same standards? Obviously BP proved that they're policing themselves to a pretty large extent. :no: Don't get me started on the financial people.
I agree. I don't think that people should be able to profit from directly damaging people or the environment.

I believe that emission and mileage standards are necessary. I think that dumping waste into rivers or even allowing pesticides and fertilizers to seep into groundwater is criminal, but there is an equilibrium and a line where regulation crosses the line such as...with say, firearms.

California has a roster of approved handguns certified for sale. They make manufacturers submit every type and style of firearm for "testing" with a fee for doing so for every submission despite the only difference in firearms being the color of the gun. Is that a sensible regulation or over regulation?

Re: What do you guys think of this?

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:33 pm
by irishman
Caliman73 wrote:
amrev360 wrote:As far as regulations go, I suppose it depends on which industry is being regulated/deregulated. The construction industry for example is historically one of the most dangerous and pollutive (is that a word?) industries in the world. We have to abide by OSHA, WISHA (in WA state), L&I (safety defense procedures different from before mentioned), EPA/ Clean Water Act. There are just typical safety/environmental regulations.

While this may seem like a lot of work, it does a very good job at keeping workers alive and the environment protected. Because of the Clean Water Act the painter can't just dump his paint thinner on the ground anymore for example, and the iron workers can't work 30 stories above the ground without fall protection.

So here is what gets me... why aren't other industries like the energy industries held to the same standards? Obviously BP proved that they're policing themselves to a pretty large extent. :no: Don't get me started on the financial people.
I agree. I don't think that people should be able to profit from directly damaging people or the environment.


I AGREE.
I believe that emission and mileage standards are necessary. I think that dumping waste into rivers or even allowing pesticides and fertilizers to seep into groundwater is criminal, but there is an equilibrium and a line where regulation crosses the line such as...with say, firearms.

California has a roster of approved handguns certified for sale. They make manufacturers submit every type and style of firearm for "testing" with a fee for doing so for every submission despite the only difference in firearms being the color of the gun. Is that a sensible regulation or over regulation?