Re: How’s the weather

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featureless wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:19 am
highdesert wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:08 pm
featureless wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:36 am 9,000 structures... Oof
This will be a really big bill for private insurance and public services. It will likely be tougher for us in CA to get or renew homeowners insurance.
Yup.

I note Newsom is crowing about preventing fire insurance from being pulled for a year now that the donor class has lost some homes. No such action has been taken for the blue collar folk with destroyed communities the last 10 years. Fucker.
Yup, he's already injected himself into LA's low water pressure and dry hydrants because Bass is getting a lot of criticism for her city budget cuts for homeless services. Actor/producer Mel Gibson lost his home as did Jamie Lee Curtis and Gibson has been very vocal about his criticism of Newsom.




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Re: How’s the weather

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Well, yeah. It always feels better to blame someone than to accept that sometimes Nature does shit we can't prevent. We have pumped CO2 into the air for like 200 years. The resultant climate change includes local droughts, like in California. Since Al Gore published "An Inconvenient Truth", the US has ignored our use of fossil fuels, because some folks at the top get money.

Sure, let's blame some singular politician. Fuck off.

Oligarchs ordering their media to normalize the shit that oozes from the orange spirochete's mouth are the ones to blame. Every single one of those massive corporations has a Luigi CEO. May they enjoy the results of their greed.

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Re: How’s the weather

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TrueTexan wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:41 am I had wondered how many of the fires were started by the work of arsonist?
Actor Brian J. White became an ordinary person in extraordinary circumstances Thursday when he, along with several of his neighbors, apprehended an arson suspect with a blowtorch in Woodland Hills, making a citizen arrest until the police got there. He shared the harrowing experience with Deadline, spoke how the police work and fight training for roles helped him in the ordeal and what the reaction has been from his colleagues, including the cast of Criminal Minds: Evolution where he is recurring, to seeing him in a viral cell video of the incident shot by White’s wife, Paula Da Silva, and their next-door neighbor.
https://deadline.com/2025/01/la-fires-b ... 236253909/
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CDFingers wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 5:12 pm How very strange it is that up here we have beautiful weather, 60F, small breeze, scudding clouds. Down south a different kettle of beans.

CDF
Yup, one state but we can have very different weather. Low 50s in my area and clear skies. Thankfully all the smoke is blowing west to the Pacific Ocean. Windy, but nothing like last Tuesday at least in my area.
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The Palisades fire grew by 1,000 acres over night because the high winds have returned. The winds will be around until Wednesday according to forecasts and probably intensify along with low humidity. The death toll is at 16 according to the county coroner.

Canada has sent teams and aircraft and Mexico has sent a firefighting team. US teams have fought fires in Canada and Mexico in past years.

The terrain is one of the reasons firefighting is difficult.

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Los Angeles County [Board of Supervisors Chair] Supervisor Kathryn Barger surveys the ruins of homes from the Eaton fire in Altadena on Saturday.

The FBI is investigating civilian drones interfering with firefighting aircraft. Canada sent Super Scooper planes and one from Quebec was damaged by a drone and grounded.
Authorities detected more than 30 drones in the restricted airspace around the Palisades fire between Friday and Saturday, Los Angeles County Fire Department spokesperson Sheila Kelliher said Saturday. “When a drone is detected near manned firefighting aircraft, operations must be suspended,“ she said. “This disruption compromises structure defense and critical lifesaving efforts.”
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The damage to a Super Scooper firefighting aircraft from a civilian drone.

Last year, Francis Bischetti said he learned that the annual cost of the homeowners policy he buys from Farmers Insurance for his Pacific Palisades home was going to soar from $4,500 to $18,000 — an amount he could not possibly afford. Neither could he get onto California FAIR Plan, which provides fewer benefits, because he said he would have to cut down 10 trees around his roof line to lower the fire risk — something else the 55-year-old personal assistant found too costly to manage.

So he decided he would do what’s called “going bare” — not buying any coverage on his home in the community’s El Medio neighborhood. He figured if he watered his property year round, that might be protection enough given its location south of Sunset Boulevard. “It was surrealistic,” he said. “I’ve grown up and lived here off and on for 50 years. I’ve never in my entire time here experienced this.” Farmers Insurance declined to comment, saying it does not discuss individual policyholders.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ ... re-dubious

I would have cut the damn trees down, he could have planted more away from the roof line. My new insurance carrier hired a company to inspect my property by air. I removed all but three trees earlier and forgot to remove a small cypress near the house, I cut it down when it showed up on their "concerns" report. Embers from the LA fires are traveling for miles due to the winds and low humidity.
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CDFingers wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:06 pm re: SoCal fires: "The winter rains have not yet arrived."

CDF
And with the Climate changes they might be late or less than expected or not at all. We can hope they show up.
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TrueTexan wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:13 pm
CDFingers wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:06 pm re: SoCal fires: "The winter rains have not yet arrived."

CDF
And with the Climate changes they might be late or less than expected or not at all. We can hope they show up.

Where I live, February is considered the rainiest month of the year. However last year March storms saved us from total drought.

They're pouring billions of gallons of water to keep the fire from spreading to Brentwood which is where Kamala Harris, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Robert F Kennedy, Jr and others live. And next door is Bel Air reputed to be the home of more wealthy individuals than Beverly Hills. The FEMA director said active duty military have been mobilized to work these fires.


Interesting video on the aircraft being used.






Canada sent two Super Scoopers. Facts about them:
Super Scoopers can carry far heavier loads than helicopters equipped with buckets, and — unlike air tankers, which have also been deployed in the L.A. fires — they can replenish their water reserves without landing. That means they can dispense vast quantities of water on a continuous loop until they run out of fuel. The Super Scooper skims the water’s surface at 100 mph, collecting 1,600 gallons in under 12 seconds. The pilot drops the load directly above the wildfire, then circles back to repeat the process.

The government of Quebec has loaned two Super Scoopers to L.A. officials on a seasonal basis to help combat wildfires, and has been doing so for more than 30 years. The Super Scooper, with a wingspan of 93 feet and a length of 65 feet, is designed to drop a large volume of water directly above a wildfire in an effort to extinguish or contain it. The water can also be mixed with a foam concentrate to make its drops more efficient. What distinguishes the CL-415 from other fire-attacking planes, which typically drop fire retardant, is its ability to replenish its tank without needing to land. It does this by scooping water directly from the surface of the ocean or body of freshwater.

To fill the water tank, the pilot flies the aircraft at about 100 mph, positioning it to skim along the water’s surface. Through a probe, the aircraft scoops the water into a tank, filling it to its 1,600-gallon capacity within 12 seconds. It can also be filled by fire hoses at an airfield before takeoff, allowing it to fly directly to the drop-off point. Once filled (and weighing 13,500 pounds more), the aircraft flies to the wildfire at around 220 mph to drop its load from a height of 100 to 150 feet. The pilot presses a button on the steering wheel to open the tank, either depositing the entire water load in one go (a “salvo drop”) or opening the four doors sequentially to disperse the water over a wider area more evenly. The speed with which the Super Scooper can replenish its water tanks — repeating the process until it runs out of fuel — makes it a “phenomenal” tool for fighting fires, the Los Angeles County Fire Department has said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/ ... -scoopers/

The CL-415 Super Scooper are Canadian made firefighting planes.


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Re: How’s the weather

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The death toll is up to 24 in the Palisades and Eaton fires. Sadly this won't be all, as firefighters get into the burned out areas. Stronger Santa Ana winds return today and tomorrow with winds in the 20-50 mph range, I expect my electricity will go off again. Crews are being sent to the high risk areas of the LA basin and resources pre-positioned.

It appears that firefighters saved NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena from the Eaton Fire. JPL is associated with Cal Tech in Pasadena. JPL is the world's leader in robotic space exploration, the huge complex was evacuated. The LA Times called the UCLA (University of California, Los Angeles) campus in Westwood a ghost town, it's located near the spreading Palisades Fire. The large UCLA Medical Center is located on campus so that has to be protected.

Cal Fire investigators are looking at an electrical transmission tower in Eaton Canyon as the source of the Eaton Fire. Southern California Edison is the utility. Still no known source of the Palisades Fire. The Weather Channel predicted that the cost of these fires would likely be $150 billion and they might not be far off. Some very expensive properties boost the loss numbers. One TV news reporter pointed out that the burned out ruins of a house we were seeing had been a 15,000 sq ft home with an ocean view and worth $20 million.
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Gov. Gavin Newsom signed an executive order Sunday to suspend permitting and review requirements under two environmental protection acts for residents planning to rebuild after two of the most destructive wildfires on record in California. Newsom's order suspends permitting and review requirements outlined under the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) and the California Coastal Act. The order will allow fire victims to restore their homes and businesses faster, Newsom said.

"We've got to be thinking three weeks, three months, three years ahead at the same time we're focusing on the immediacy, which is life, safety and property," Newsom told NBC News' Jacob Soboroff. "We're making sure people are getting their applications, addressing the issues of fraud, price gouging. We want to get our inspections teams out here. They're already starting to get out here. We've come up with some timelines so we can get, within the next few weeks, all that done so people can get their insurances claims. We can then start the big contracts to remove the debris, address the hazardous materials issues.

"I'm worried about issues of rebuilding as it relates to scarcity of resources, materials, personnel. I'm worried about time for getting these projects done. So we want to fast-track by eliminating any CEQA requirements. There are Coastal Act changes that we're making." The order directs state agencies to identify additional permitting requirements, including provisions of the Building Code, that can safely be suspended or streamlined to accelerate rebuilding and make it more affordable. It also extends protections against price gouging on building materials, storage services, construction and other essential goods and services to Jan. 7, 2026, in Los Angeles County.
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/cali ... y/3602642/

I'm sure the LA City Council and the LA County Board of Supervisors will follow suit. They need the tax money.

In my town and the next one, a lot of people bought up homes and turned them into Air BNBs and they're rented most weekends. LaLalanders and foreign tourists love the desert, especially in the winter. Many foreign tourists love the summer heat.
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Building permits are administrative actions, not subject to CEQA, so good job Newsom for the loud proclamation of doing something.

The Coastal Commission is so fucking tight I can't get a permit easily to replace existing redwood tanks with steel tanks for fire flows in an existing community. I once worked on a project that spent 5 years and hundreds of thousands on attorneys fees to get a water well through the commission that supported an existing town. The wealthy will now be able to build anything they want while the regular folk get bought out. Good job, Newsom?

Re: How’s the weather

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Maybe they should include in the building codes require using fireproof and fire retardant materials instead of the usual wood and paper products.
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Re: How’s the weather

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Reducing the fuel load around homes would have helped, but not completely. Santa Ana winds (Diablo Winds in Nor Cal) can reach hurricane strength and they did in this fire. And those winds spread embers over miles.

While the cause of the Eaton Fire looks like a power transmission tower, the cause of the Palisades Fire is still officially unknown. ATF will be joining state Cal Fire investigators. The LA basin is full of hiking trails and people there are big into hiking on weekends, during the week, whenever. Of course teens use hiking areas as places to party and there is a suspicion that the fire was human caused. The three main causes of fire are men, women and children, as the saying goes.
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The National Weather Service has issued an ominous ‘particularly dangerous situation’ warning for swaths of Los Angeles and Ventura counties, cautioning of wind gusts ranging from 45 mph to 70 mph, dry air and a higher risk of rapid fire spread and extreme fire behavior. The “particularly dangerous situation” will go into effect at 4 a.m. Tuesday and last through noon Wednesday for swaths of Los Angeles and Ventura counties. The National Weather Service reserves the designation for signifying an extreme red flag warning, when especially hazardous fire weather conditions are expected.
Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass issued an executive order Monday that seeks to expedite rebuilding efforts after fires leveled thousands of homes and businesses in the city last week, mostly within Pacific Palisades. Executive Order 1 requires city departments to complete project reviews within 30 days from when a complete application is submitted and waives discretionary hearings under zoning rules, among other efforts.
https://www.latimes.com/california/live ... es-updates

Kristin Crowley was elevated to Los Angeles fire chief in 2022 at a time of turmoil in a department consumed by complaints of rampant hazing, harassment and discrimination among its 3,400-member ranks. As a career firefighter, she was portrayed by the then-mayor as a stabilizing force. Three years later, the mood between Crowley and City Hall has changed. The wildfire in Pacific Palisades that has burned more than 5,000 structures to become the most destructive in city history has put leaders on the defensive and led Crowley to engage in a public spat with Mayor Karen Bass over resources even as the battle against flames continues across the Los Angeles area.

Crowley publicly criticized the city Friday for budget cuts that she said have made it harder for firefighters to do their jobs at a time when they are seeing more calls. She also cast blame on the city for water running out Tuesday when about 20% of the hydrants tapped to fight the Palisades fire went dry. “I’m not a politician, I’m a public servant. It’s my job as the fire chief for Los Angeles city fire dept to make sure our firefighters have exactly what they need to do their jobs,” she told CNN. Her comments and perceived falling-out with Bass prompted so much speculation about her job security that the union issued a statement Friday assuring rank-and-file members that she had not been fired.
https://apnews.com/article/los-angeles- ... e572e119a4

The death toll now stands at 25.
https://www.fire.ca.gov
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I agree, the millionaires and billionaires will just have lackies get the permits if they decide to rebuild. Some people are trying to decide if they want to start over, especially those in their 80s. Some want to leave LA and start new somewhere else.
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highdesert wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:06 am I agree, the millionaires and billionaires will just have lackies get the permits if they decide to rebuild. Some people are trying to decide if they want to start over, especially those in their 80s. Some want to leave LA and start new somewhere else.
That's already been happening. They are moving to Texas.
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Re: How’s the weather

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TrueTexan wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:30 am
highdesert wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:06 am I agree, the millionaires and billionaires will just have lackies get the permits if they decide to rebuild. Some people are trying to decide if they want to start over, especially those in their 80s. Some want to leave LA and start new somewhere else.
That's already been happening. They are moving to Texas.
Texas could very well get an influx of Californians escaping burned out LA. I can think of a few well known actors who don't live in Hollywood. They book parts and fly to LA or Vancouver or wherever for shooting and fly home. Recently in the paper, a story about actor Glen Powell who sold his LA home and moved back to Texas.
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We got a whole bunch of people from California after the big fires in Northern California that TOS said was caused by y’all not raking up the leaves. The joke here was the Texans and Okies went to California during the Dust Bowl, now their descendants are returning home.
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