Absolutely no context. Unless Beck has once again mistaken Zombies for communists.neotrotsky wrote:That seemed pretty damned clear to me. He first cites the "Communist" running the country, then says you've got to "Shoot them in the head".
I REALLY cannot see ANY context that would make that statement sound like a great idea. Ever.
neotrotsky wrote:That seemed pretty damned clear to me. He first cites the "Communist" running the country, then says you've got to "Shoot them in the head".
I REALLY cannot see ANY context that would make that statement sound like a great idea. Ever.
+1mark wrote:neotrotsky wrote:That seemed pretty damned clear to me. He first cites the "Communist" running the country, then says you've got to "Shoot them in the head".
I REALLY cannot see ANY context that would make that statement sound like a great idea. Ever.
What if he is describing the story line of some book? I have seen stranger things. I agree that it appears pretty horrible, and given his history it likely is. I am just saying I would like to see a minute prior and a minute after.
It's not going to change: It's GLEN BECK! He wants all Liberals dead. I can guarantee you 100% that what he wants is for a religious fundamentalist state in the US, and he's about as plain as you can get.mark wrote:neotrotsky wrote:That seemed pretty damned clear to me. He first cites the "Communist" running the country, then says you've got to "Shoot them in the head".
I REALLY cannot see ANY context that would make that statement sound like a great idea. Ever.
What if he is describing the story line of some book? I have seen stranger things. I agree that it appears pretty horrible, and given his history it likely is. I am just saying I would like to see a minute prior and a minute after.
The "context" from the other two segments from before and after the primary clip are pretty clear.lemur wrote:I'm with Mark on this one. Context can cast a very different light.
National Political Buzz | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz- ... z1BcCOePTT"Yes, it has. It has. This is an ominous statement coming from a revolutionary. Please go to GlennBeck.com and look up "STORM: Reclaiming Revolution." This is his organization. He is in this. From a revolutionary.
I'm sorry, but when did the Obama administration not be progressive? Excuse me? They were normal? We have seen progressives. We haven't seen the actual spooky progressives yet. I think you are about to. Something has changed this week. He's right.
But what the politicians don't understand, the ones who have co-opted these revolutionaries and brought them in the process, is they are dangerous. Why? Why? Well, because a lot of them have called for violent revolution in the past and they never distanced themselves from it.
You cannot co-opt and lie to people who believe in something. Why is Ahmadinejad dangerous? Well, because he says he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, OK? The press and the politicians — "Oh, he's just saying that."
Why do they say that? Because nobody in the press and nobody in Washington actually believes a damn thing, except their own image. That's it. This man is a twelver. Look it up. Do you know what it is? It's a revolutionary so dangerous that the Ayatollah Khomeini banned twelvers.
OK. Here's the Ayatollah Khomeini, who is a revolutionary — he says stay away from these guys. They're spooky. He didn't co-opt them because he understood they believed in the 12th Imam coming back, and the way to bring the 12th Imam back is wash the world in blood.
There are politicians like the Ayatollah Khomeini who will do revolution for power. And then there are people like this who are mad men. I never thought I'd say we better learn something from the Ayatollah Khomeini, but here it is.
The media and the politician have all of this wrong. In every single walk of life — you want to know why TV doesn't reflect you? You want to know why Washington doesn't reflect you? Because they don't understand, from the radical revolutionaries to the Islamic extremists — and yes, DOJ, they do exist — to the Tea Party movements.
Just because you in Washington and you who are so out of touch with life in the media, just because you don't believe in anything doesn't mean nobody else does. We do. You know why you're confused by this show? It's because I believe in something. You don't.
Tea parties believe in small government. We believe in returning to the principles of our Founding Fathers. We respect them. We revere them. Shoot me in the head before I stop talking about the Founders. Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government.
I will stand against you and so will millions of others. We believe in something. You in the media and most in Washington don't. The radicals that you and Washington have co-opted and brought in wearing sheep's clothing — change the pose. You will get the ends.
You've been using them? They believe in communism. They believe and have called for a revolution. You're going to have to shoot them in the head. But warning, they may shoot you.
They are dangerous because they believe. Karl Marx is their George Washington. You will never change their mind. And if they feel you have lied to them — they're revolutionaries. Nancy Pelosi, those are the people you should be worried about.
Here is my advice when you're dealing with people who believe in something that strongly — you take them seriously. You listen to their words and you believe that they will follow up with what they say.
Didn't we learn that lesson from Osama bin Laden? I heard his warning in 1998. I said on the air at the time, listen to him. We didn't listen. We didn't listen to the revolutionaries in Germany, the revolutionaries in Russia or Venezuela or Cuba — no, no, no. They all have one thing in common. They have all called for revolution.
They want to overthrow our entire system of government, and their words say it. Why won't you believe it?
As you will learn on "Founding Fridays(sic)," this Friday, we're talking about James Madison. Here is what you will learn. The revolution of 1776 was a picnic compared to what the revolutionaries of today would like to do. It's not a lot of fun. Usually, millions of people die.
But I'm glad to see our politicians will co-opt those people so they can have power. Fundamental transformation. It's what America is going through right now. And the progressives, the Marxist revolutionary progressives are still not happy. I'm going to show you the beginning of that civil war inside the Democratic Party, next.
Ha! I was going to post the exact same thing!mark wrote:Thanks for adding the other two clips. Here is some of the surrounding text. Remember, I am not defending Beck, I am just saying I wanted to see more than a few seconds - that's all.
I agree. It is easy to catch Glenn saying crazy stuff because he rambles so much. But I don't think he always means what it sounds like he means. He's kind of a dope.Caliman73 wrote:Nothing really to add here except that I think context is pretty important too. Not that I want to give Beck, or Limbaugh, or any of those scum any credit, but as I believe mvlemir said, we need to keep the high ground on this issue. Not because it makes us better, but because that is who we are. We verify. We think. We care. Although we distrust and dislike people like Beck, we have to believe in and fight for the idea that facts in context are what we base our decisions on.
Beck is an idiot. He knows very little about American history. I doubt that he could give an accurate description of socialism, fascism, or any other ism that he rails against. While it is true that having a government that overreacts and creeps into more power is a bad thing, having too little government is also not ideal.ArmedAznF wrote:I agree. It is easy to catch Glenn saying crazy stuff because he rambles so much. But I don't think he always means what it sounds like he means. He's kind of a dope.Caliman73 wrote:Nothing really to add here except that I think context is pretty important too. Not that I want to give Beck, or Limbaugh, or any of those scum any credit, but as I believe mvlemir said, we need to keep the high ground on this issue. Not because it makes us better, but because that is who we are. We verify. We think. We care. Although we distrust and dislike people like Beck, we have to believe in and fight for the idea that facts in context are what we base our decisions on.
Heh. Maybe. Maybe not. In any case my inclination is to zap the Fed and probably the States as well. Ultra-localism. I think this union got way too big and centralized around...the Constitution.While it is true that having a government that overreacts and creeps into more power is a bad thing, having too little government is also not ideal.
You're forgetting one thing - Beck, Limpbaugh and others are saying what they saying because they get huuuuuuge amounts of money for that. There is not one iota of patriotism or altruism motivating these people, just money. So, Beck is not a dope when it comes to figuring out what gets his bank account fat and he doesn't care if what he says or does as long as that is filling that account with cash.ArmedAznF wrote:I agree. It is easy to catch Glenn saying crazy stuff because he rambles so much. But I don't think he always means what it sounds like he means. He's kind of a dope.Caliman73 wrote:Nothing really to add here except that I think context is pretty important too. Not that I want to give Beck, or Limbaugh, or any of those scum any credit, but as I believe mvlemir said, we need to keep the high ground on this issue. Not because it makes us better, but because that is who we are. We verify. We think. We care. Although we distrust and dislike people like Beck, we have to believe in and fight for the idea that facts in context are what we base our decisions on.
Oh, believe me, I am not forgetting it at all. These guys (and Michael Savage) are not thinkers, they're entertainers and shills. Not that I have anything against a radio host or anyone else making mad loot. But these guys are doing it through vile pandering, and that's pretty pathetic. Of course, I'm all for letting them say anything they want.mvelimir wrote: You're forgetting one thing - Beck, Limpbaugh and others are saying what they saying because they get huuuuuuge amounts of money for that. There is not one iota of patriotism or altruism motivating these people, just money. So, Beck is not a dope when it comes to figuring out what gets his bank account fat and he doesn't care if what he says or does as long as that is filling that account with cash.
Beh. The democans and republicrats are just variations on stupid and evil. There are a handful of Democrats in office whom I agree with, but I frankly think the government they work for shouldn't exist. And, for that matter, there are some Republicans like Ron Paul who actually have a ballsack when it comes to being anti-war; unlike most of the so-called liberals.FriqueNationale wrote: As for Obama and the Washington Liberal crowd being corrupt: they don't seem to bear me any personal malice, and have never called for me to be shot in the head. I will take a considerable degree of systematic, comfortable, livable corruption in a working country, over the right wing's idiotic, vicious "revolution" threatening mass violence and destruction of social order, any day. In olden days, that'd make me conservative.
FriqueNationale wrote:It's nice to hold the "high ground", but remember, it's only useful if you actually use it to fight. Fine, the Teabaggers and Beckistanis are simply misguided political opponents, if that's how you want to see them. But more important than simply holding the high ground of niceguyness, is to prevent them from even sniffing national executive power, until demoralized, they implode into the next permutation of their sect.
As for Obama and the Washington Liberal crowd being corrupt: they don't seem to bear me any personal malice, and have never called for me to be shot in the head. I will take a considerable degree of systematic, comfortable, livable corruption in a working country, over the right wing's idiotic, vicious "revolution" threatening mass violence and destruction of social order, any day. In olden days, that'd make me conservative.
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