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By: Burnam H.B. No. 356
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT
relating to the recognition of a nonresident license to carry a
concealed handgun.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Section 411.173, Government Code, is amended by
adding Subsection (b-1) to read as follows:
(b-1) Notwithstanding Subsection (b), a person's license
issued by another state may not be recognized in this state if the
person has established a domicile in this state. For purposes of
this subsection, "domicile" has the meaning assigned by Section
522.003, Transportation Code.
SECTION 2. This Act takes effect September 1, 2011.

Simmer down wrote:By: Burnam H.B. No. 356
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT
relating to the recognition of a nonresident license to carry a
concealed handgun.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Section 411.173, Government Code, is amended by
adding Subsection (b-1) to read as follows:
(b-1) Notwithstanding Subsection (b), a person's license
issued by another state may not be recognized in this state if the
person has established a domicile in this state. For purposes of
this subsection, "domicile" has the meaning assigned by Section
522.003, Transportation Code.
SECTION 2. This Act takes effect September 1, 2011.

They keep trying to pull that kind of bull#### here in PA too. The media lies and talks about "the Florida loophole" because some people who have had their PA LTCF illegally revoked by the Philly PD (reasons the Philly PD typically use are things like being robbed, having your home invaded, having one of your cars stolen, etc.) have went and gotten Florida non-resident carry permits. PA has a reciprocity agreement with Florida. The thing is, Florida's requirements are entirely more strict than PA. In addition to the same background check, they also require you complete a course and submit fingerprints.

Utah non-resident licenses are a big deal here. The reasoning is if you lose one you have the other. Pure sales talk. If you lose one the reason is likely to affect any and all a person has. I don't know of any situation where a person's TX license has been taken up unless they are charged with a crime that makes them unqualified.

Even Tom Delay had his license taken once he was charged with his felonies. He asked why he was treated as if he had been found guilty. That's the thing with the representatives- they really can't picture themselves being in the shoes of the peasants and treated as if they were one of us. I don't know of any bills filed to change the rules to innocent unless found guilty.

Here in PA, we have "shall issue" laws. You LTCF can only be revoked for doing things like committing a crime for which you are imprisoned, getting involuntarily committed to a mental institution, etc. Basically the same things that bar you from owning firearms.

Unfortunately, there is also a "character clause". It supposed to be for known gang members and known members of organized crime, but Philly uses it for anything they want.

There have been many incidents where someone was charged with a crime, had their LTCF revoked, but were 100% acquitted in a court of law. By PA law their LTCF must be returned to them. Philly doesn't. If they apply for another one, Philly turns them down despite their having never been found guilty in a court of law of any crime.


So people who are sick and tired of it just get a Florida carry permit. Florida is truly shall issue and looks at criminal record, etc. They don't pull bull#### unconstitutional games. Florida permits cost something like $100, require that you pass a course, and require you to submit fingerprints. It's a much bigger PITA to get one. But Florida has reciprocity agreements with the following states:

Alabama, Alaska (no permit necessary IIRC), Arizona (I think they just passed the same law as Alaska), Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, , South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont (well, no permit is necessary actually), Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wyoming

So basically the only excluded states are the usual suspects. CA, NJ, NY, MA, MD, RI, CT, IL, HI, WI, ME, etc. The only weird ones are Nevada and Minnesota. Those two have agreements with Missouri but not with Florida. The other ones, CA, NJ, etc. either have no reciprocity agreements at all, or they simply don't allow concealed carry (IL and WI).

I got my FLA permit by having my MA permit and showing certificate from my MA course.

Wurble, small point of clarification. FL non-resident CCL is NOT honored in the same way as FL resident CCL. Your points are still the same but its a much smaller set of states that honors FL's non-resident.

mark wrote:Wurble, small point of clarification. FL non-resident CCL is NOT honored in the same way as FL resident CCL. Your points are still the same but its a much smaller set of states that honors FL's non-resident.

You're right and wrong. Right that it is a different set. Wrong that it is much smaller:

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wyoming


Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, New Hampshire, South Carolina do not recognize it. I wouldn't call that "much smaller". South Carolina surprises me. The others do not.

Wurble wrote:

mark wrote:Wurble, small point of clarification. FL non-resident CCL is NOT honored in the same way as FL resident CCL. Your points are still the same but its a much smaller set of states that honors FL's non-resident.

You're right and wrong. Right that it is a different set. Wrong that it is much smaller:

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wyoming


Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, New Hampshire, South Carolina do not recognize it. I wouldn't call that "much smaller". South Carolina surprises me. The others do not.

I suppose I wasn't being careful with my words but 5 fewer states (36 vs 31) seemed like a fairly decent difference. I suppose it is all perspective. Like I said, it was just a small point of clarification so that someone doesn't think they can use a non-resident FL CCW in one of those states.

Missouri is one of a kind I think with CCW law language. Missouri honors all CCW endorsements, even if issued by political "subdivisions". Full link to law here.

The relevant part

571.107. 1. A concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state or political subdivision of another state shall authorize the person in whose name the permit or endorsement is issued to carry concealed firearms on or about his or her person or vehicle throughout the state.

So pretty much if hell freezes over and DC starts issuing CCW endorsements, Missouri will acknowledge them. No need for a prior agreement. It's how I am able to carry and it provides people under 23 a way here to legally carry. You have to be 23 to apply for a MO CCW, it says nothing about restricting those who already have an out of state permit. Since they honor my Virgina non-resident ccw, I can carry anywhere in the state. I turned 23 recently so I am in the process of getting my MO CCW.