The Liberal Gun Club Forum

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Those damn Socialist Germans worrying about human rights before capitalism!

(Note: Sarcasm)

"Germany's tight weapons export regulations allows arms deliveries to Mexico, outside of the four states where the human rights situation is in question."

HA! This doesn't even qualify as window-dressing! Yeah, I'm sure no one in Chiapas could get in a car and drive north for a couple hours to get spare parts.

This is terrible. So now the poor people of Mexico are going to be even more disarmed while the gangsters and gangster-like police of Mexico run around with machine guns? I can guarantee you that this won't keep a single HK weapon out of the hands of the government or cartels, people who are professional smugglers. But it is going to put another dent in the ability of the average Mexican to obtain the means to self defense from these sociopaths.

ArmedAznF wrote:This is terrible. So now the poor people of Mexico are going to be even more disarmed while the gangsters and gangster-like police of Mexico run around with machine guns? I can guarantee you that this won't keep a single HK weapon out of the hands of the government or cartels, people who are professional smugglers. But it is going to put another dent in the ability of the average Mexican to obtain the means to self defense from these sociopaths.

Unfortunately, there's not much HK can offer to civilians in Mexico, where only certain types of firearms and certain calibers are permitted to the civilian population.

A quick, if not perfect, overview on Mexican Firearm Laws can be found in these two links:
http://www.davekopel.com/espanol/Mexican-Gun-Laws.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico

Regards,

Xela

Xela wrote:
Unfortunately, there's not much HK can offer to civilians in Mexico, where only certain types of firearms and certain calibers are permitted to the civilian population.

A quick, if not perfect, overview on Mexican Firearm Laws can be found in these two links:
http://www.davekopel.com/espanol/Mexican-Gun-Laws.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico

Regards,

Xela

Absolutely correct, but at least if there was an import of these fine firearms they might be able to obtain them illegaly. An unjust law is no law at all.

Not to mention price. HKs are HKs, but price is bit high for a pistol with a brick-shaped grips.

Maybe they are saving them from overpriced, over-engineered guns? (I still like HK products but I still find this link amusing)

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/ ... -hate-you/

mvelimir wrote:Not to mention price. HKs are HKs, but price is bit high for a pistol with a brick-shaped grips.

The HK P30 is an ergonomic masterpiece. I am buying one as soon as my po-fo'k salary allows.
Yes, the USP was unergonomic and gigantic. But in terms of accuracy and quality, there is no handgun on this planet that beats to HK's. From the materials to the production process to the testing, these are TOP NOTCH guns. They just happen to be marketed towards burly military types, and the ergonomics reflect it.

ArmedAznF wrote:

mvelimir wrote:Not to mention price. HKs are HKs, but price is bit high for a pistol with a brick-shaped grips.

The HK P30 is an ergonomic masterpiece. I am buying one as soon as my po-fo'k salary allows.
Yes, the USP was unergonomic and gigantic. But in terms of accuracy and quality, there is no handgun on this planet that beats to HK's. From the materials to the production process to the testing, these are TOP NOTCH guns. They just happen to be marketed towards burly military types, and the ergonomics reflect it.

HK P30? Hmm. Not bad. But I think I liked it better...when it was the Walther P99.

In all fairness, I'm not much of a plastique fantastique fan.

Xela

Xela wrote:

ArmedAznF wrote:

mvelimir wrote:Not to mention price. HKs are HKs, but price is bit high for a pistol with a brick-shaped grips.

The HK P30 is an ergonomic masterpiece. I am buying one as soon as my po-fo'k salary allows.
Yes, the USP was unergonomic and gigantic. But in terms of accuracy and quality, there is no handgun on this planet that beats to HK's. From the materials to the production process to the testing, these are TOP NOTCH guns. They just happen to be marketed towards burly military types, and the ergonomics reflect it.

HK P30? Hmm. Not bad. But I think I liked it better...when it was the Walther P99.

In all fairness, I'm not much of a plastique fantastique fan.

Xela

The P99 is super-ammo picky. The P30 is not.

I love plastic guns, except for the increased grip width and recoil (due to weight reduction). You do know it's a chemical reality that polymers can be stronger and more temp. resistant than any metal?

ArmedAznF wrote:The P99 is super-ammo picky. The P30 is not.

I love plastic guns, except for the increased grip width and recoil (due to weight reduction). You do know it's a chemical reality that polymers can be stronger and more temp. resistant than any metal?

I hear ya. I would still go for a good ole 1911 even if I had the option of Han Solo's blaster. Matter of comfort, taste, aesthetics, feel, history, tradition....oh, darn it, and machismo...there I said it.

Xela

Xela wrote: I hear ya. I would still go for a good ole 1911 even if I had the option of Han Solo's blaster. Matter of comfort, taste, aesthetics, feel, history, tradition....oh, darn it, and machismo...there I said it.

Xela

Why not just get a Colt Cowboy?
While I know there are probably exceptions, I have generally heard that the 1911 mechanism has a serious deficiency in that it requires tight tolerances for accuracy and loose tolerances for reliability; and that is probably why Browning developed the Hi-Power design. Aesthetics aside, reliability and accuracy are musts in a defense gun. That and high-end 1911s cost as much as a FN Five-seveN!

ArmedAznF wrote:

Xela wrote: I hear ya. I would still go for a good ole 1911 even if I had the option of Han Solo's blaster. Matter of comfort, taste, aesthetics, feel, history, tradition....oh, darn it, and machismo...there I said it.

Xela

Why not just get a Colt Cowboy?
While I know there are probably exceptions, I have generally heard that the 1911 mechanism has a serious deficiency in that it requires tight tolerances for accuracy and loose tolerances for reliability; and that is probably why Browning developed the Hi-Power design. Aesthetics aside, reliability and accuracy are musts in a defense gun. That and high-end 1911s cost as much as a FN Five-seveN!

Yep. Have considered the issues. I thought about it for several years before purchasing a handgun for self defense. My stock 1911 exceeds my personal criteria.

Xela

Xela wrote: Yep. Have considered the issues. I thought about it for several years before purchasing a handgun for self defense. My stock 1911 exceeds my personal criteria.

Xela

Whatever floats your boat . Me, I'd carry a phaser if I could!

ArmedAznF wrote:

Xela wrote:
Unfortunately, there's not much HK can offer to civilians in Mexico, where only certain types of firearms and certain calibers are permitted to the civilian population.

A quick, if not perfect, overview on Mexican Firearm Laws can be found in these two links:
http://www.davekopel.com/espanol/Mexican-Gun-Laws.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico

Regards,

Xela

Absolutely correct, but at least if there was an import of these fine firearms they might be able to obtain them illegaly. An unjust law is no law at all.

I completely agree the source of most of Mexico's problems with government and cartel violence is its de facto prohibition on firearms. It exactly mirrors the situation in American inner cities where the population has been disarmed & put at the mercy of teenage drug gangs.

In addition to the narcos & peasant-stomping cops, Mexico also has a very high rate of armed robbery, kidnappings and other violent crime, for the same reason: a disarmed public.

I don't know what the specific differences in law are, but Honduras is the only Central American country I've been in where I regularly saw guns carried in public by civilians, at least in the rural areas. Perhaps not coincidentally I found travel through rural Honduras a hell of a lot easier on the nerves than say, in Guatemala, parts of which seem like scenes out Mad Max.