The Liberal Gun Club Forum

...Sure hope this doesn't take hold, and I doubt that it will.

With a GOP controlled House, I think proposed gun control laws going anywhere is DOA.

KVoimakas wrote:With a GOP controlled House, I think proposed gun control laws going anywhere is DOA.

All votes for new gun control will be largely symbolic and any democrat who votes for them is going to be "targeted" again by the GOP come 2012.

"We're not dealing about guns here," she said. "We're dealing about a piece of equipment that goes [on] the gun. I think when you think about just common sense here, large capacity clips that can basically, in my opinion, be weapons of mass destruction, should not be available to the general public."



Xela

So I was watching MSNBC this morning for shits and gigs before I went to bed, and I had the wonderful pleasure of watching Chuck Todd interview Paul Helmke. Todd said something along the lines of "the NRA was invited on but chose not to appear" but who really knows if that was the case. Todd didn't really question anything Helmke said AT ALL. There was no debate whatsoever.

drunktomjoad wrote:So I was watching MSNBC this morning for shits and gigs before I went to bed, and I had the wonderful pleasure of watching Chuck Todd interview Paul Helmke. Todd said something along the lines of "the NRA was invited on but chose not to appear" but who really knows if that was the case. Todd didn't really question anything Helmke said AT ALL. There was no debate whatsoever.

Paul Helmke's immediade political postings on the Brady website and grandstanding, within minutes, on the backs of murdered victims, solely to push his anti-self defense and gun-banning agendas proves there is no hog trough slimey enough that he won't wallow in.

I'm sure Helmke was presented an open forum to mouth off any talking points he desired...truthful or not. So many of his "facts" have been debunked, it surprises me anyone considers him credible anymore. That's very likely why he sets himself up in scenarios where challenges will be light or non-existent. It's disappointing MSNBC was so accommodating.


Regards,

CarolinaHiker

Some of the worst laws were enacted during or after a crisis. After 9/11 people were walking around saying they wouldn't mind giving up some civil rights for national security and we got the Patriot Act which is still a nightmare even after it was "revised". Law should be written and enacted in a cool and dispassionate environment.

I agree with Grizzled,bad things happen when the hordes are scared and the news monkeys get them riled up.

highdesert wrote:Some of the worst laws were enacted during or after a crisis. After 9/11 people were walking around saying they wouldn't mind giving up some civil rights for national security and we got the Patriot Act which is still a nightmare even after it was "revised". Law should be written and enacted in a cool and dispassionate environment.

Don't forget Department of Homeland "Security"....look at what kind of bloated beast that has grown into. And now issuing domestic terrorist alerts and reports against Americans? The department that tells you it is making you "safe" today, can be used against you tomorrow.

I was never in favor of either of those departments being established and given the carte blanche power they have been given, under BOTH administrations now. There were existing agencies already within government that could have been beefed up if need be.


Regards,

CarolinaHiker

highdesert wrote:Some of the worst laws were enacted during or after a crisis. After 9/11 people were walking around saying they wouldn't mind giving up some civil rights for national security and we got the Patriot Act which is still a nightmare even after it was "revised". Law should be written and enacted in a cool and dispassionate environment.

+1

Reactionary, non-compromising legislation seems like the norm these days. (i.e. HCR repeal?)

"The New York Times reports that in Gallup surveys, the number of Americans who said the U.S. needs stronger gun-control laws has been in decline for 20 years. In 1990, when the question was first asked, 78 percent favored stricter laws. That number has been been 44 percent in 2009 and 2010."

Also just read this article and found it interesting. Being new to firearms and gun-rights advocacy (but a long-time democrat), I learned a lot:

http://ezorigin.csmonitor.com/USA/Polit ... gun-issues

DirtyFH wrote:Also just read this article and found it interesting. Being new to firearms and gun-rights advocacy (but a long-time democrat), I learned a lot:

http://ezorigin.csmonitor.com/USA/Polit ... gun-issues

Welcome! Interesting read.

KVoimakas wrote:With a GOP controlled House, I think proposed gun control laws going anywhere is DOA.

I disagree, you need the perceived "struggle" to continue. What better way to whoop up support to back the "NRA's fight" more, and gain donation than let it happen.

Then the GOP will turn around and blame the other side. Just like "ear marks", they ask for most of them and then use it against the Democrats. (Who foolishly always play into the trap. Seriously Dems see the Admiral in 'Return of the Jedi' already...."Its a trap!")

spikerogan wrote:

KVoimakas wrote:With a GOP controlled House, I think proposed gun control laws going anywhere is DOA.

I disagree, you need the perceived "struggle" to continue. What better way to whoop up support to back the "NRA's fight" more, and gain donation than let it happen.

Then the GOP will turn around and blame the other side. Just like "ear marks", they ask for most of them and then use it against the Democrats. (Who foolishly always play into the trap. Seriously Dems see the Admiral in 'Return of the Jedi' already...."Its a trap!")

I think that the struggle will be there, but it'll go something like this:

House anti-RKBA Dems: We need more gun control!
Pro-RKBA GOP and Dems: No we don't.
Antis: Well, we're proposing this anyway.
Pros: Ok. *votes against but lets it come down to a slim margun*
GOP Pros: SEE?! The DEMS ARE GUN GRABBERS AND WE BARELY DEFEATED THEM.
Antis: Well, shit.

Admiral Ackbar is who you're thinking of.

The important work that needs to be done in DC can now be comfortably pushed to the back burner. Perhaps I'm a bit of a pessimist but I look for a repeat of the 90s and what that led to. By the time Obama is out of office the NRA membership will have doubled the Gop will be in total control and the only career path for the younger generation is to follow the jobs that are being outsourced to foreign countrys or join the military.

DirtyFH wrote:

highdesert wrote:Some of the worst laws were enacted during or after a crisis. After 9/11 people were walking around saying they wouldn't mind giving up some civil rights for national security and we got the Patriot Act which is still a nightmare even after it was "revised". Law should be written and enacted in a cool and dispassionate environment.

+1

Reactionary, non-compromising legislation seems like the norm these days. (i.e. HCR repeal?)

If I recall, the AWB was passed in the wake of the OKC Bombing...otherwise Clinton wouldn't have been able to get the votes needed.

--JJR

DirtyFH wrote:

highdesert wrote:Some of the worst laws were enacted during or after a crisis. After 9/11 people were walking around saying they wouldn't mind giving up some civil rights for national security and we got the Patriot Act which is still a nightmare even after it was "revised". Law should be written and enacted in a cool and dispassionate environment.

+1

Reactionary, non-compromising legislation seems like the norm these days. (i.e. HCR repeal?)

Agreed. This is very detrimental to a free society.