The man shot Giffords once in the face, he [eye-witness physician Steven Rayle]said.

After Giffords fell, he said, a number of people near Giffords sought to flee but were trapped--hemmed in by the table and a concrete post. The gunman fired into the crowd, he said.

"It was so close, and sort of a tight thing, there was nowhere easy to run," Rayle said. "So most of the crowd got it, you know."

"People that were there were just sitting ducks," Rayle said. "I don't think he was even aiming. He was just firing at whatever."

One pistol was recovered and it had what police described as "an extended clip."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

mark wrote:Man, people are crazier than I thought. This from a comment on the FoxNews.com story:

Careful what you say Patriots ... beyond the parasitic cesspool of bottom feeding human waste (otherwise known as the America hating "progressive" liberals) that has invaded this site and these threads, there are A LOT of "others" watching.

Do not let the lowest forms of human existence elicit you to say something that could get a charge put on you ... they are using everything they have at this point of desperation. They will ki11 their own if they think they can create the illusion that "we" did it.

Stand fast, we will do away with them when the time is right ...

I hate to be "I told you so!".... but.... I told you so!

Remember when I draw a parallel between these people and Serbs in Bosnia? How they will toss a mortar shell on the market full of civilians and then within 5 minutes start broadcasting that it was us who did it to put a blame on innocent Serbs and to gain sympathy from the international community?

the comedian wrote:Well, we know who's really guilty- Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, and the rest of the fascist mouthpieces who incite their unbalanced followers to violence.
To you chickenshit teabaggers out there who voice your big, bad words from behind a computer screen- the FBI can still find you and I hope to god that they add you to the industrial prison complex very soon.

My thoughts exactly comedian! Thing I hate with 1st amendment is that these people will abuse it constantly to further their own agenda and to make more money and when a single idiot act on their words they claim they have nothing to do with it. Everybody know that's not truth, but alas!

Well, within an hour of posting this on Hi-Point Firearms Forums, I was accused of "bigotry" and claimed I must of been calling for the assassination of GW, and they are saying the fact that the shooter's YouTube page cited the "Communist Manifesto" and "Mien Kampf" shows that it was a Liberal that did this, and that I have no right to say anything and that I am a hypocrite. Some have already sent private emails demanding I remove myself from the site or "regret it". Of course, they won't sent it through the HPFF mail server on the site.

The organizers of the site really are great guys, but the amount of Tea-Baggers on all gun sites are making me regret being an American sometimes.

neotrotsky wrote:Well, within an hour of posting this on Hi-Point Firearms Forums, I was accused of "bigotry" and claimed I must of been calling for the assassination of GW, and they are saying the fact that the shooter's YouTube page cited the "Communist Manifesto" and "Mien Kampf" shows that it was a Liberal that did this, and that I have no right to say anything and that I am a hypocrite. Some have already sent private emails demanding I remove myself from the site or "regret it". Of course, they won't sent it through the HPFF mail server on the site.

The organizers of the site really are great guys, but the amount of Tea-Baggers on all gun sites are making me regret being an American sometimes.

It's typical of those sites, don't take it personally. A big problem with Internet discussion boards is that everyone is anonymous, unless they give their name and location. Therefore they can say things on those boards they'd never say to your face, and they do say them.

In brief public remarks, President Obama said he had dispatched F.B.I. director Robert Mueller to the scene.

Things will happen, a US District Court Judge killed and a Congresswoman critically wound and the FBI Director on site.

judgepacker wrote:


What's his Glocktalk handle?

hahahahhah

neotrotsky wrote:Well, within an hour of posting this on Hi-Point Firearms Forums, I was accused of "bigotry" and claimed I must of been calling for the assassination of GW, and they are saying the fact that the shooter's YouTube page cited the "Communist Manifesto" and "Mien Kampf" shows that it was a Liberal that did this, and that I have no right to say anything and that I am a hypocrite. Some have already sent private emails demanding I remove myself from the site or "regret it". Of course, they won't sent it through the HPFF mail server on the site.

The organizers of the site really are great guys, but the amount of Tea-Baggers on all gun sites are making me regret being an American sometimes.

What in the blue fuck would be a Leftist's motivation for shooting a Democrat who voted for the healthcare bill? While right wing nutjobs like Palin post crosshairs on states where congress people voted for it.
I am no longer surprised at the depths of self- delusion teabaggers are capable of. Doublethink, straight out of 1984.
Ignorant bastards.

Granted, I think Faux News is a right wing propaganda mill and the Tea Baggers are racist hate mongers, but I think blaming them for this is premature and perhaps unfair. I read some of this shooters' internet postings, and it appears to me that he is very disturbed. To claim that he was politically motivated, I think, would put him in the same league as Charles J. Guiteau. I suspect he could just as easily have been influenced to do this by watching The Manchurian Candidate or All in the Family reruns, listening to heavy metal or hip hop, or having received a personal message from Barry Goldwater on his fillings.

Ogre wrote:Granted, I think Faux News is a right wing propaganda mill and the Tea Baggers are racist hate mongers, but I think blaming them for this is premature and perhaps unfair. I read some of this shooters' internet postings, and it appears to me that he is very disturbed. To claim that he was politically motivated, I think, would put him in the same league as Charles J. Guiteau. I suspect he could just as easily have been influenced to do this by watching The Manchurian Candidate or All in the Family reruns, listening to heavy metal or hip hop, or having received a personal message from Barry Goldwater on his fillings.

Yes, but if voices in your head are hearing what some voices on the radio and TV are saying (Rush, Beck, Palin, Savage, Boortz...) and that conforms what your own internal voices are saying, then... 2+2=4!

Those videos are really strange, he's obsessed with Sleeping, dreaming, grammar, literacy, and this idea of a new currency. He may have his insanity defense in place already.

mvelimir wrote:

Ogre wrote:Granted, I think Faux News is a right wing propaganda mill and the Tea Baggers are racist hate mongers, but I think blaming them for this is premature and perhaps unfair. I read some of this shooters' internet postings, and it appears to me that he is very disturbed. To claim that he was politically motivated, I think, would put him in the same league as Charles J. Guiteau. I suspect he could just as easily have been influenced to do this by watching The Manchurian Candidate or All in the Family reruns, listening to heavy metal or hip hop, or having received a personal message from Barry Goldwater on his fillings.

Yes, but if voices in your head are hearing what some voices on the radio and TV are saying (Rush, Beck, Palin, Savage, Boortz...) and that conforms what your own internal voices are saying, then... 2+2=4!

I'll agree with that, to an extent. I think the right does need to show some restraint - but so too does the left. I've seen and heard shit from our side that could also send an unbalanced individual down a similar path. I think that in this person's case, just about any Conservative or Republican - no matter how responsible, civil, or ethical - would have fed the demons in his head. If they bear any responsibility for influencing him, it is minor. However, my guess is that local Conservative circles knew, or suspected, just how crazy he really was but failed to warn anybody. I'm concerned that other crazy bastards might decide to copy his actions.

I honestly don't care what a shrink's verdict would be on these people. Of course they're bloody crazy. Do you think Glen Beck, Michael Weiner, David Horowitz, or William Pierce are (were) exactly normal?

The Holocaust Museum, the Knoxville Unitarian Church, the doctor at his Lutheran Church, and now a Federal judge, a small child, and a wounded congresswoman in Arizona. Unlike the lunatic hatchetmen the right scapegoats, I don't think we have to be crazy to connect these dots. It's not a convoluted labyrinth, it's a star burst of broadcast evil radiating from a cluster of profit driven hatred.

Remember that the modern term "broadcasting" is itself a metaphor derived from a farming technique of simply casting seeds into a turned field, some seeds will just land on the ground and bounce. Some will be eaten by birds or rodents before bearing fruit. Others will fall into a furrow and sprout.

At another event in 2009 which was similar to the one Giffords was holding , a protester was removed by police when his pistol fell to the supermarket floor.

Representative Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, told CNN that Giffords's office had been shot at before and that she had received death threats in the past. Although a Democrat, Giffords was a strong supporter of the right to bear arms and was re-elected to her third term last November in congressional elections, edging out the Tea Party favourite Jesse Kelly.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ja ... on-arizona

There will always be AM nut jobs spouting lunacy from both left and right, but the right wing lunacy has reached unprecedented levels. Just think about the message people are hearing from the right. The president is a Kenyan Muslim who is systematically dismantling the constitution, taking your freedom, and turning the county into a communist state. This message is not being broadcast at three in the morning on some wing nut radio station, it is being broadcast by a major news channel and echoed by prominent Republican political figures.

The fear was never that a well balanced, perfectly reasonable person would be motivated to kill someone. The fear was that a crazy person would be motivated to kill someone. And that is exactly what happened. To say that we can't blame this one on Palin, or Beck, or the Teabaggers, because this kid is nuts, is failing to see the forest through the trees.

Yeah, he talks about dreams and other weird shit, but he also talks about the constitution, and the need for a gold backed currency, and government mind control; all wing nut talking points. The influence is clear.

I'm curious if this event will shake loose some not-crazy gunners from the mainstream forums and they find their way here.

neotrotsky wrote:Well, within an hour of posting this on Hi-Point Firearms Forums, I was accused of "bigotry" and claimed I must of been calling for the assassination of GW, and they are saying the fact that the shooter's YouTube page cited the "Communist Manifesto" and "Mien Kampf" shows that it was a Liberal that did this, and that I have no right to say anything and that I am a hypocrite. Some have already sent private emails demanding I remove myself from the site or "regret it". Of course, they won't sent it through the HPFF mail server on the site.

The organizers of the site really are great guys, but the amount of Tea-Baggers on all gun sites are making me regret being an American sometimes.

His Youtube page also cites "We The Living", an Ayn Rand POS.

Simmer down wrote:I'm curious if this event will shake loose some not-crazy gunners from the mainstream forums and they find their way here.

I'm not too optimistic that one will happen, but I've been surprised before.

I can't remember the last time an FBI Director was dispatched to the scene of a major crime, they have plenty of assistant directors and others to run out to the field. It's like Obama is saying to Brewer that he doesn't trust her and her officials and the Feds are taking control of this investigation. Agreed two Federal officials were victims. There is still a Grand Jury in Phoenix investigating Maricopa County (Phoenix) Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his illegal activities and Atty Gen Eric Holder has made a few visits to the State.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valley ... ials_v.php

Greengunner wrote:Yeah, he talks about dreams and other weird shit, but he also talks about the constitution, and the need for a gold backed currency, and government mind control; all wing nut talking points. The influence is clear.

Yep. I just saw that.

Mark check your e-mail.

spikerogan wrote:Mark check your e-mail.

No emails from you, no PMs either.

The congresswoman’s father Spencer Gifford, 75, was rushing to the hospital when asked if his 40-year-old daughter had any enemies.

"Yeah," he told The Post. "The whole Tea Party."


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/a ... WGSRKnuK8J

Bleh some of the comments over at d-kos are just plain stupid. They are even targeting the RKBA group. They are completely ignoring the root of the problem. That is deep seeded hatred of all things progressive in a large part of the right wing.

I doubt that even dKos's own... (4+ / 0-)

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by GreenSooner on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 12:14:29 PM PST

Bill O' Reilly prodded his supporters to kill George Tiller, and guess what, one of them did.
Sarah Palin prodded her supporters to kill Gabrielle Giffords, and guess what . . .

These folks have gone from annoying to downright dangerous.

I do not want to see a repeat of 1963.

Greengunner wrote:Bill O' Reilly prodded his supporters to kill George Tiller, and guess what, one of them did.
Sarah Palin prodded her supporters to kill Gabrielle Giffords, and guess what . . .

These folks have gone from annoying to downright dangerous.

I do not want to see a repeat of 1963.

My bigger fear is that we have enough mentally deranged citizens today was the Fort Sumter of madness. With all these hateful thoughts, (how many Facebook pages had to be taken down because they encouraged bad thing toward President Obama? Too many and counting.)

I really fear the Tea Party is the 21st Century Confederacy. They really seek to attack the Constitution overthrow the government. This Ayn Rand rhetoric is just growing out of control.

I hate most of all people un related to Government were the victims of this madness and Anti-American terrorist act. Not that I like an elected official being a target. As a Democratic Committeeman here I really hate that as well.

I fear this is not the end.

I really hope we dont get UK style Gun Laws after this.