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highdesert wrote:"Suspected Tucson shooter 'slowly spiraled into madness'"

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... full.story

Leucoandro wrote:

Van wrote:Anyone still not convinced this guy was influenced by FOX?

Not sure, one of the first things he talks about is the U.S. fighting two illegal wars. I don't think you here Iraq and Afghanistan being called illegal wars on Fox. (Hardly watch fox though so I could have missed it). It has been a while though but I could swear I used to hear the wars refered to as illegal quiet a bit on MSNBC.

He also goes on and on about violations to his first amendment freedom of speech.


Charlie

Wurble wrote:Ron Paul followers most definitely do call them illegal wars. Remember that the Tea Party sprang from the Ron Paul movement.

It is a position not to be controverted that the earth, in its natural, cultivated state was, and ever would have continued to be, the common property of the human race. In that state every man would have been born to property. He would have been a joint life proprietor with rest in the property of the soil, and in all its natural productions, vegetable and animal.
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Every proprietor, therefore, of cultivated lands, owes to the community ground-rent (for I know of no better term to express the idea) for the land which he holds; and it is from this ground-rent that the fund prod in this plan is to issue.
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To create a national fund, out of which there shall be paid to every person, when arrived at the age of twenty-one years, the sum of fifteen pounds sterling, as a compensation in part, for the loss of his or her natural inheritance, by the introduction of the system of landed property:
And also, the sum of ten pounds per annum, during life, to every person now living, of the age of fifty years, and to all others as they shall arrive at that age.

Taking it then for granted that no person ought to be in a worse condition when born under what is called a state of civilization, than he would have been had he been born in a state of nature, and that civilization ought to have made, and ought still to make, provision for that purpose, it can only be done by subtracting from property a portion equal in value to the natural inheritance it has absorbed.
Various methods may be proposed for this purpose, but that which appears to be the best is at the moment that property is passing by the death of one person to the possession of another. In this case, the bequeather gives nothing: the receiver pays nothing. The only matter to him is that the monopoly of natural inheritance, to which there never was a right, begins to cease in his person. A generous man would not wish it to continue, and a just man will rejoice to see it abolished.

It is from the overgrown acquisition of property that the fund will support itself; and I know that the possessors of such property in England, though they would eventually be benefitted by the protection of nine-tenths of it, will exclaim against the plan. But without entering any inquiry how they came by that property, let them recollect that they have been the advocates of this war, and that Mr. Pitt has already laid on more new taxes to be raised annually upon the people of England, and that for supporting the despotism of Austria and the Bourbons against the liberties of France, than would pay annually all the sums proposed in this plan.

Leucoandro wrote:I think that this is the video that kicked off the tea party.

Charlie