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amrev360 wrote:You forgot the conservative from Austin who kamikazi'd his plane into the IRS.

CarolinaHiker wrote: Yes...the deranged Tuscon murderer was off on his own brand of crazy...

In your post, you mentioned you also located examples from the Left, but didn't notice you posted any. In kind, you may appreciate the assistance in filling out your list. These are just the few located with about 10 minutes of looking...could be more?
There may indeed be additional left-wing examples from the 60s and 70s, you should post them...these are from more recent time periods...around 2004-ish. :.

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In Madison, Wis., someone burned an 8-foot-by-8-foot Nazi swastika on a homeowner's lawn, which had been decorated with Bush-Cheney signs. The vandals used grass killer to spray the hate symbol (it's OK, Bush-hating trumps environmentalism). Several other homes nearby were vandalized.


In Orlando, Fla., Democrats stormed the local Bush/Cheney headquarters, and the ensuing melee resulted in physical injuries to at least two Republican campaign workers. The liberal protesters justified their actions -- including ramming the head of one of the workers into an office door -- by blaming President Bush's "negative campaign."
** So, the 30-second ads made them do it. It's always someone else's fault.


In Knoxville, Tenn., someone shot into the Bush/Cheney headquarters. Shots were also fired into Bush/Cheney offices in Huntington, W. Va., and Florida. The GOP office in Gallatin County, Mont., was vandalized twice in less than a week. Republican offices in the Seattle area, Spokane, Wash., Canton, Ohio, Fairbanks, Alaska, and Edwardsville, Ill., have also been burglarized and/or vandalized.


On an Alaska-bound flight, a drunken Kerry supporter went ballistic after harassing a female Bush supporter and refusing to calm down at the request of flight attendants.


In Gainesville, Fla., police arrested a Democrat accused of punching the chairman of the Alachua County Republican Executive Committee in the face at the town Republican headquarters. The accused, David McCally, also punched a life-sized, cardboard cutout of President George Bush. McCally is a community college instructor whose specialty is social and behavioral sciences.
According to the GOP chairman, Travis Horn, McCally hurled obscenities at him before the assault. "He proceeded to say how he had a Ph.D., and he was smarter than me. I'm a stupid Republican." And that, no doubt, is the superior attitude held by media reporters and anti-hate crime advocates and peace preachers and civility pleaders who refuse to acknowledge the totally unhinged tactics of Democrats Gone Wild.

Liberals promise to do "whatever it takes" -- "by any means necessary" -- to win this election.


September 2, 2004: Huntington, West Virginia:
Republican supporters in Huntington were watching their candidate accept the party's nomination when a gunshot rang out right in the middle of George W. Bush's speech. "We heard a small snap, and felt glass come sliding by us. We looked up and saw a hole in our window and realized somebody was shooting at us", said Paula Stewart. Witnesses tell police that someone fired a shot at the Republican Headquarters office at 1402 4th Avenue around 10:30pm Thursday night.


Friday, October 22, 2004
LAKE HAVASU CITY, Ariz.
A little after 10 am Thursday morning police were called to the Republican Party headquarters in Lake Havasu in response to a bomb threat phoned. Volunteer coordinator Patti Silvestri took the call from a person she described as a male voice of indeterminate age. “I answered ‘good-morning Republican Headquarters this is Patti may I help you,’ and he said I just want you to know that place will be blown-up,” said Silvestri.
According to District 3 party chairman Noreen Thomas the threat will not deter her or her staff and volunteers from doing their work.
“I am not going to be intimidated by a terrorist,” said Thomas. “Nor am I going to be intimidated by a John Kerry supporter.”

Van wrote:

Van wrote:....I don't buy the bullshit about Loughton being a "liberal" who campaigned against GWB.

CarolinaHiker wrote:Of course you don't...

Because it hasn't been substantiated.

I'll believe it if federal prosecutors in this case release facts to support the assertion.

Van wrote:

judgepacker wrote:Do they know if the gunman was a Teabagger?

Wanna bet?

The shooting happened about 15 minutes ago in broad daylight. She's a pro-choice, Jewish Democrat who was holding a public meeting at a Safeway. She was obviously targeted with a headshot.
And it happened in a state that voted for Jan Brewer.
It's a 'bagger, all right.

CarolinaHiker wrote:Yeah....right.....

Would that be the same "federal prosecutor's released facts" you used to formulate your "expert" deduction stated in this earlier post..made before the murder's name was even known?

CarolinaHiker

GlockLobster wrote:This thread is getting pretty lame, tit for tat for 10 pages?

GlockLobster wrote:US Rep and others shot in Tucson - Teabagger violence?
Probably not, we still know very little.


This thread is getting pretty lame, tit for tat for 10 pages?

CarolinaHiker wrote:

well armed liberal wrote:List of incidents over JUST the last two years. I went looking for a comparable list from the other side of the spectrum, and yes, it was there. Maybe one shooting, most incidents were from the 60's and 70's.
Seems pretty clear that both sides use violent, inflammatory rhetoric.

For what its worth, I don't think this is a right winger, just a deranged individual.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert ... r-isolated

Just in the past two and a half years, here's the record of "isolated incidents" amassed so far:

-- July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how "liberals" are "destroying America," walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.

-- October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.

-- December 2008: A pair of "Patriot" movement radicals -- the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted "to attack the political infrastructure" -- threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.

-- December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear "dirty bomb" in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.

-- January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.

-- February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.

-- April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.

-- April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama's purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.

-- May 2009: A "sovereign citizen" named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

-- June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.

-- February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one "domestic terrorism" too.)

-- March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.

-- March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.

-- May 2010: A "sovereign citizen" from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.

-- May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.

-- May 2010: Two "sovereign citizens" named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.

-- July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.

-- September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year--old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the "Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant.

Yes...the deranged Tuscon murderer was off on his own brand of crazy...

In your post, you mentioned you also located examples from the Left, but didn't notice you posted any. In kind, you may appreciate the assistance in filling out your list. These are just the few located with about 10 minutes of looking...could be more?
There may indeed be additional left-wing examples from the 60s and 70s, you should post them...these are from more recent time periods...around 2004-ish. :.

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In Madison, Wis., someone burned an 8-foot-by-8-foot Nazi swastika on a homeowner's lawn, which had been decorated with Bush-Cheney signs. The vandals used grass killer to spray the hate symbol (it's OK, Bush-hating trumps environmentalism). Several other homes nearby were vandalized.


In Orlando, Fla., Democrats stormed the local Bush/Cheney headquarters, and the ensuing melee resulted in physical injuries to at least two Republican campaign workers. The liberal protesters justified their actions -- including ramming the head of one of the workers into an office door -- by blaming President Bush's "negative campaign."
** So, the 30-second ads made them do it. It's always someone else's fault.


In Knoxville, Tenn., someone shot into the Bush/Cheney headquarters. Shots were also fired into Bush/Cheney offices in Huntington, W. Va., and Florida. The GOP office in Gallatin County, Mont., was vandalized twice in less than a week. Republican offices in the Seattle area, Spokane, Wash., Canton, Ohio, Fairbanks, Alaska, and Edwardsville, Ill., have also been burglarized and/or vandalized.


On an Alaska-bound flight, a drunken Kerry supporter went ballistic after harassing a female Bush supporter and refusing to calm down at the request of flight attendants.


In Gainesville, Fla., police arrested a Democrat accused of punching the chairman of the Alachua County Republican Executive Committee in the face at the town Republican headquarters. The accused, David McCally, also punched a life-sized, cardboard cutout of President George Bush. McCally is a community college instructor whose specialty is social and behavioral sciences.
According to the GOP chairman, Travis Horn, McCally hurled obscenities at him before the assault. "He proceeded to say how he had a Ph.D., and he was smarter than me. I'm a stupid Republican." And that, no doubt, is the superior attitude held by media reporters and anti-hate crime advocates and peace preachers and civility pleaders who refuse to acknowledge the totally unhinged tactics of Democrats Gone Wild.

Liberals promise to do "whatever it takes" -- "by any means necessary" -- to win this election.


September 2, 2004: Huntington, West Virginia:
Republican supporters in Huntington were watching their candidate accept the party's nomination when a gunshot rang out right in the middle of George W. Bush's speech. "We heard a small snap, and felt glass come sliding by us. We looked up and saw a hole in our window and realized somebody was shooting at us", said Paula Stewart. Witnesses tell police that someone fired a shot at the Republican Headquarters office at 1402 4th Avenue around 10:30pm Thursday night.


Friday, October 22, 2004
LAKE HAVASU CITY, Ariz.
A little after 10 am Thursday morning police were called to the Republican Party headquarters in Lake Havasu in response to a bomb threat phoned. Volunteer coordinator Patti Silvestri took the call from a person she described as a male voice of indeterminate age. “I answered ‘good-morning Republican Headquarters this is Patti may I help you,’ and he said I just want you to know that place will be blown-up,” said Silvestri.
According to District 3 party chairman Noreen Thomas the threat will not deter her or her staff and volunteers from doing their work.
“I am not going to be intimidated by a terrorist,” said Thomas. “Nor am I going to be intimidated by a John Kerry supporter.”


There are quite a number more left-wing examples to be referenced in Europe...these few were just US located.


Regards,

CarlinaHiker

I am not saying that the average republican, or even the average tea bagger, is prone to violence. But the over-abundance of violent imagery in the tea bagger movement, coupled with out right denial of reality (birther anyone? Muslim? how about communo-fascist nazis? FEMA camps?) leads me to believe that there is more danger coming from the far end of the right wing than the left. That, and history

Wurble wrote:I'm a Republican, a moderate Republican but a Republican nonetheless.

I voted entirely Republican in this past election: Tom Corbett for governor, Pat Toomey for Senate, Charlie Dent for Congress, Doug Reichley for State Rep.

That being said, I absolutely positively think that the "leaders" in the Tea Party movement (Palin, Rush, Beck, etc.); those speaking out at most of their rallies, etc., are totally irresponsible. I think what they have been doing is honestly just short of sedition. I think the Tea Party is full of people who are completely deluded and many of whom are teetering on the edge of violent, deadly action. I think plenty of them are being pushed into that state of rage by Palin and crew.

Are Palin and others responsible for this particular looney? Looks like probably not. Are they responsible for others? UNDOUBTEDLY.

They are taking people who normally would have been either apathetic complainers, uninvolved hobbiests, or just vocal but harmless idiots and pushing them just over the edge into extremist groups. Do I think that Palin and others should be tried in some court of law? No. But I think the media should rake the ever living #### out of them over the fracking coals. I think Palin, Rush, Beck, et. al. should become pariahs. Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences of speech. They are free to say what they want, but they are not free from the repercussions of that speech. If they say crap that increases the violence in this country, they need to be called on it in the media.

mark wrote:Please don't get offended by this, its not meant as a critique of your positions on things. Its more of a comment on your self-classification.

Wurble, based on our conversations, you seem much more left of center on almost every item I have heard you talk about.

I would guess you were center-left *except* on gun control where, I know you will agree, you take a strong pro-2A stance that I think we can agree matches the stance by the right. And I know that your 2A stance is very important to you and I seem to remember you saying that you use it, above other measures, as a gauge to vote by. I say all this to say that it seems to me that you aren't really very Republican at all except when it comes to the 2A - and since you use the 2A as a yardstick to measure politicians, you are forced to vote Republican.

So I offer an alternative 'classification': perhaps you are a moderate Democrat who is forced to vote Republican because of your position on the 2A. Ask yourself, if you could revote in some of the past elections and would take the 2A out of the equation, who would you vote for.

In other words, if your Dems were more pro-2A, I think you would be voting Dem.

Again, this isn't a critique of your positions or the way you vote. Its mostly a comment, similar to a conversation I would have to a friend in my living room in a similar situation. Its not meant to be confrontational. Its just an observation. Of course, I can't possibly truly know you from our internet conversations, so there is a strong chance I am totally off base.

Wurble wrote:You haven't known me long enough to really my views on most issues though. No offense.

My friend wrote:If you had to spend all weekend defending yourself because everyone thought the AZ shooter was from your group, perhaps rather than do a victory lap that he turned out to have other motives, you should seriously reconsider your affiliation with groups that threaten violence and overthrowing the government, even if its not meant to be literal.

Teabag wrote:If you are reffering to Tea party groups and Sarah Palin supporters or consevative christians I must respectfuly ask you, What has gotten into you Jon? No offence but since being on FB I have come to find you are more of a non christian so called moderate REP??? I guess im saying I did not really know your views, come on freind you can do better you know better than this, let me kindly encourge you to seek truth! God bless.

mvelimir wrote:Raymond, one seeks truth by questioning everything around, including the group one "belongs" to. Especially that group, first.

My friend wrote:I'm the same guy I've been for the past 10 years, unfortunately the rhetoric of the right has gotten to the point I'm embarrassed to be a Republican. There are serious issues facing our country and there should be a great debate on the iss...ues, unfortunately the conservatives have chosen to ignore that debate. Instead they rattle off buzz words like "Liberty" and "Freedom" and claims like Obama wasn't born here.

The christian conservatives are trying to impose their religious beliefs on the entire country under this false notion that this is a christian country, while at the same time decrying the supposed attempts by Islam to do the same thing. There is nothing Christian about either political party or the way society operates in general. The majority of Christians are materialistic and judgmental. They judge others for not showing up to church on Sunday and believing the way they do, but lack the basic understanding of their own faith. If you want to understand how Jesus wanted you to live, study Gandhi and his life. Hell, just study your bible and you'll understand. Unfortunately the majority of those who run around waving the cross claiming they act on behalf of God, don't have the reading comprehension level to understand any translation of the Bible.

I'm also tired of people trying to tell me they have an absolute understanding of what the founding fathers of our country intended, when they don't have the intellectual capacity to even understand the Constitution, much less able to comprehend the intentions of the framers. This grade school notion that all the founding fathers sat around in their powder wigs and unanimously agreed on the fundamentals of our country is silly. The politicians of that era were no different than those of today. There were Federalists and Anti-Federalists, the Constitution barely passed, and even after the Revolution there was continued strife which eventually led to a Civil War.

Lets tone down the rhetoric, take some time to look at the issues facing us and educate ourselves on them. There are ways to advocate a conservative agenda that doesn't involve a flag, a bible, and buzz words from a elementary school musical.

Another guy wrote:Jon, now you know why I left the GOP. It is easier to be a blue dog conservative in the Democratic Party than a moderate Republican. The Rays won't allow it otherwise.

Van wrote:I see this as the bottom line in this debate:

Yes, it is true that unhinged people can be motivated to act by being exposed to violent rhetoric from ANY political perspective. Yes, there are crazies on the far-left who also spout violent rhetoric.

However, the far-left does NOT have the media influence and audience of the far-right in this country. Period. There is no Maoist equivalent of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. There is no Stalinist who owns a media empire like Rubert Murdoch does.

As soon as a Maoist with 3-4 million daily listeners shows up on prime time TV and starts spewing the same type of stuff Glenn Beck does--the country awash in blood, class warfare, dictatorship of the proletariat, liquidate our class enemies, etc..--then I'll believe that the left is as much responsible for these acts of violence as the right is. Until then, people like Beck need to STFU.

Van wrote:I see this as the bottom line in this debate:

Yes, it is true that unhinged people can be motivated to act by being exposed to violent rhetoric from ANY political perspective. Yes, there are crazies on the far-left who also spout violent rhetoric.

However, the far-left does NOT have the media influence and audience of the far-right in this country. Period. There is no Maoist equivalent of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. There is no Stalinist who owns a media empire like Rubert Murdoch does.

As soon as a Maoist with 3-4 million daily listeners shows up on prime time TV and starts spewing the same type of stuff Glenn Beck does--the country awash in blood, class warfare, dictatorship of the proletariat, liquidate our class enemies, etc..--then I'll believe that the left is as much responsible for these acts of violence as the right is. Until then, people like Beck need to STFU.

highdesert wrote:"Officials: Arizona Victim Threatened Tea Party Leader"

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/15/132965798 ... rty-leader

AmirMortal wrote:

highdesert wrote:"Officials: Arizona Victim Threatened Tea Party Leader"

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/15/132965798 ... rty-leader

Can you say post traumatic stress?

Van wrote:Anyone still not convinced this guy was influenced by FOX?