So California's handgun ammunition law went into effect last week. As a result, several websites are no longer shipping ANY ammunition to California. That sucks for us here in what was once the world's 8th largest economy. Ammunition prices are ridiculous at shops. About the only thing I can feed regularly these days is my 10/22.

road trip to vegas?

I see a huge market for Love&a45

Caliman73 wrote:So California's handgun ammunition law went into effect last week. As a result, several websites are no longer shipping ANY ammunition to California. That sucks for us here in what was once the world's 8th largest economy. Ammunition prices are ridiculous at shops. About the only thing I can feed regularly these days is my 10/22.

God, that blows...

I love California--EXCEPT for all the knee-jerk, anti-gun bullshit that seems to take root in an otherwise beautiful state.

So does the new law make you go through an FFL for ammo then?

Reload.

Caliman73 wrote:So California's handgun ammunition law went into effect last week. As a result, several websites are no longer shipping ANY ammunition to California. That sucks for us here in what was once the world's 8th largest economy. Ammunition prices are ridiculous at shops. About the only thing I can feed regularly these days is my 10/22.

The new state law, AB (Assembly Bill) 962 is due to take effect on February 1, 2011. There are currently lawsuits (state and Federal) in play that could halt it taking effect and decisions are anticipated before February 1st. It doesn't affect reloading. There is doubt if AB 962 really applies to Internet sales which apparently the author of the bill admits, but everyone is confused so I'm not surprised that out-of-state ammo dealers don't want to ship ammo to California.

The state Dept of Justice hasn't written any regulations on AB 962 which law enforcement and ammo dealers need. We have a new Attorney General, Kamala Harris who doesn't have a gun-friendly reputation, however she squeaked into office weeks after election day so it is hoped that she realizes that she'll have to modify her views if she wants to get re-elected. She's not the San Francisco DA anymore and California has plenty of red counties.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index ... Ammunition

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/show ... p?t=374110

I'm not finding anything on the Guntards site:
http://www.guntards.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=3

Guntards are liberal refugees from the Calguns forum. Calguns is a dictatorship but large forum full of winger wackos and religious nuts. However the Calguns Foundation has lawyers who are more moderate and fight for gun rights. Guntards is not very active, but the site owner has promised us he'll be improving it.

Caliman and others, it looks like Cabela's will still be selling rifle ammo to California. I can't imagine that any of the large vendors will eliminate the sale of rifle ammo to CA out of spite. That would be a huge monetary loss.

As far as whether or not this will apply to internet sales, I don't see how it can be enacted without banning internet sales since it requires your right thumbprint. Perhaps they will figure out a way to get a certified copy of fingerprints or something. Why don't they just do a FOID card like IL, that sound less cumbersome than this mess.

mark wrote:Caliman and others, it looks like Cabela's will still be selling rifle ammo to California. I can't imagine that any of the large vendors will eliminate the sale of rifle ammo to CA out of spite. That would be a huge monetary loss.

As far as whether or not this will apply to internet sales, I don't see how it can be enacted without banning internet sales since it requires your right thumbprint. Perhaps they will figure out a way to get a certified copy of fingerprints or something. Why don't they just do a FOID card like IL, that sound less cumbersome than this mess.

Mark,

It is only handgun ammunition that is affected when the new law is enacted. I am aware of the legal papers filed against the law. I am hoping that they will prevent the senseless law from going into permanent effect. There are sellers out there who do cut off sales out of spite or principle or whatever you call it. The law is pretty stupid, but it does not actually do anything special to sellers as much as buyers other than increase the seller's liability I suppose. The seller has to receive FFL information and ship to the FFL's address, like when shipping any firearm to California (some sellers will not sell firearms to CA because of that). The buyer has to check with the FFL to see when the ammo is in, then go pick it up and give up the thumb print as far as I know. I have not been following the process and ammendments to law as closely as I should, so I don't know if that was changed.

Caliman73 wrote:So California's handgun ammunition law went into effect last week. As a result, several websites are no longer shipping ANY ammunition to California. That sucks for us here in what was once the world's 8th largest economy. Ammunition prices are ridiculous at shops. About the only thing I can feed regularly these days is my 10/22.

Hey man,
I'm doing some research for Stickman to make sure there's no issues with me sending him ammo in Massachusetts. I'll look into shipping to Cali if you'd like.

Move to Texas. California was insane when I lived there for most of my youth, and it's just getting worse.

AB 962 that would have banned mail order ammo sales and required purchasers in state to give a thumb print was struck down Wednesday as unconstitutionally vague. The law was supposed to take effect February 1, 2011. Most out-of-state ammo dealers had already stopped shipping to California.

CD Michel was the lead attorney challenging AB 962.
http://michellawyers.com/nra-crpaf-laws ... es-ab-962/

Plan vacation. Bring hay trailer. Don't forget hay.

Road Trip to Oregon? Tax Free

Love&A.45 wrote:

Caliman73 wrote:So California's handgun ammunition law went into effect last week. As a result, several websites are no longer shipping ANY ammunition to California. That sucks for us here in what was once the world's 8th largest economy. Ammunition prices are ridiculous at shops. About the only thing I can feed regularly these days is my 10/22.

Hey man,
I'm doing some research for Stickman to make sure there's no issues with me sending him ammo in Massachusetts. I'll look into shipping to Cali if you'd like.

Let me know what you find out. If I could get stuff from you that would make me happy.

California just doesn't have a clue. This new legislation will do absolutely NOTHING for crime. Nearly 40 years ago they made a law where you had to fill out special paperwork and provide ID to purchas handgun ammo. After about 20 years of that someone finally pointed out that the policy hadn't contributed to the solving of a single crime and it finally went away. But idiot CA lawmakers just can't help themselves. The gun laws are much of what pushed me out of CA. I'd like to return, but all the changes mean I'd have to get rid of about half of my guns, and they'll make it insanely difficult to enjoy what I have left. The laws for transporting firearms in CA are insane. Just an unfriendly state; I guess they don't need my tax money. So I may move to Nevada and just jump the border when I want to visit family and friends.

If CA would lighten up, allow the unobstructed sale of handgun ammo, and pass a concealed carry law, I'd give serious consideration to moving back. I'd even be willing to sell my "military" firearms. But CA is one place where I feel you kinda NEED to carry a gun, and you can't .

It's not been a bad year for gun owners in California. Three bills were killed in the Legislature; one that would have required the registration of rifles and shotguns; one that would have prohibited open carry of firearms (unloaded); and the last that would have required tracking of ammo sales and allowed sharing that info with law enforcement. And finally victory this week in a Superior Court in Fresno County, a ruling overturning AB 962 before that law could take effect on February 1st. Two county sheriffs in addition to ammo dealers (in-state and out-of-state) and the NRA/CRPA fought to overturn AB 962 and won.

We don't have a "shall issue" concealed carry law, but there are groups working on it. Thankfully we can continue to buy ammo in-state or out-of-state without extra id and paperwork.

highdesert wrote:AB 962 that would have banned mail order ammo sales and required purchasers in state to give a thumb print was struck down Wednesday as unconstitutionally vague. The law was supposed to take effect February 1, 2011. Most out-of-state ammo dealers had already stopped shipping to California.

CD Michel was the lead attorney challenging AB 962.
http://michellawyers.com/nra-crpaf-laws ... es-ab-962/

I just read that last night. Pretty cool. I am all for passing laws that will make it more difficult to commit crimes, but this bill was a stupid idea from the beginning.

Caliman73 wrote:

highdesert wrote:AB 962 that would have banned mail order ammo sales and required purchasers in state to give a thumb print was struck down Wednesday as unconstitutionally vague. The law was supposed to take effect February 1, 2011. Most out-of-state ammo dealers had already stopped shipping to California.

CD Michel was the lead attorney challenging AB 962.
http://michellawyers.com/nra-crpaf-laws ... es-ab-962/

I just read that last night. Pretty cool. I am all for passing laws that will make it more difficult to commit crimes, but this bill was a stupid idea from the beginning.

We have a new Governor who has bigger fish to fry, I'm hopeful this is the end of this type of legislation for awhile.

FrontSight wrote:California just doesn't have a clue. This new legislation will do absolutely NOTHING for crime. Nearly 40 years ago they made a law where you had to fill out special paperwork and provide ID to purchas handgun ammo. After about 20 years of that someone finally pointed out that the policy hadn't contributed to the solving of a single crime and it finally went away. But idiot CA lawmakers just can't help themselves. The gun laws are much of what pushed me out of CA. I'd like to return, but all the changes mean I'd have to get rid of about half of my guns, and they'll make it insanely difficult to enjoy what I have left. The laws for transporting firearms in CA are insane. Just an unfriendly state; I guess they don't need my tax money. So I may move to Nevada and just jump the border when I want to visit family and friends.

If CA would lighten up, allow the unobstructed sale of handgun ammo, and pass a concealed carry law, I'd give serious consideration to moving back. I'd even be willing to sell my "military" firearms. But CA is one place where I feel you kinda NEED to carry a gun, and you can't .

All statutes in California sunset eventually unless re-enacted by the Legislature, sounds like what happened to the law you mentioned. California gun laws are tough though less restrictive than New Jersey or New York, but we're not and I don't think we'll ever be like Arizona, Vermont or Alaska. Nevada is an option along with Arizona and Oregon, convenient to pop over the border.

Inquisitor wrote: Let me know what you find out. If I could get stuff from you that would make me happy.

I'm looking up pricing for 9mm, .45acp and 7.62x39mm for another person on the forum. Let me know what calibers you need and I'll see what I can do.

Love&A.45 wrote:

Inquisitor wrote: Let me know what you find out. If I could get stuff from you that would make me happy.

I'm looking up pricing for 9mm, .45acp and 7.62x39mm for another person on the forum. Let me know what calibers you need and I'll see what I can do.

In fact, anyone who needs ammo, especially soviet surplus like 7.62x39mm and 7.62x54mmR, let me know. Most surplus ammo is imported directly by the dealers with import licenses (which is a separate FFL license that I don't have) who sell it and there's only a handful of distributors that deal in Euro surplus ammo and they'll still usually drop the price if you buy enough. I can get a discount from some of these dealers, but I have to buy a lot (thousands of rounds) to get it. If we get enough interest in a group buy I can give you better price and maybe even start keeping certain calibers in stock.

Standard calibers like .45acp, .38special and 9mm I can just go through a distributor for, but again, quantity can effect price depending upon the distributor.

Let me know who's interested.

I shoot:

9mm Mak
.45acp
.40SW
.38spl
.22lr

in no particular order, though I probably burn .22 more than the others, I usually shoot 2 guns on my range visits, one of hte 22s and one of tte larger calibers. In order of frequency, probably 22, 40, 45, 38 then 9mak.

You tell me what you can do

Can you really ship to my home (does my C&R help any with that)?

Inquisitor wrote:I shoot:

9mm Mak
.45acp
.40SW
.38spl
.22lr

in no particular order, though I probably burn .22 more than the others, I usually shoot 2 guns on my range visits, one of hte 22s and one of tte larger calibers. In order of frequency, probably 22, 40, 45, 38 then 9mak.

You tell me what you can do

Can you really ship to my home (does my C&R help any with that)?

Actually yes, a C&R is technically an FFL and it's perfectly legal for me to ship ammo to another FFL in Mass., though technically there's no law against me shipping ammo to anyone in Mass, they've been going after sellers that ship bulk ammo to non FFL holders.

That is so cool.

-edit-
But possibly incorrect, it seems that a number of retailers say this softr of thing:

Massachusetts, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York City - ammo only to 01, 02, 07, or 08 FFLs.

MASSACHUSETTS CUSTOMERS: No sales of Ammunition and magazines. No High Capacity Magazine (10+ rounds) without a Hi-Cap Magazine Permit sales to anyone or dealer in MA. No sales of Rifles that accept High Capacity Magazines. Sales of firearms & Ammunition in State of MA to FFL holders only, 03 FFL not eligible.

Maybe I can call someone and just ask, State Police or AG...

Inquisitor wrote:That is so cool.

-edit-
But possibly incorrect, it seems that a number of retailers say this softr of thing:

Massachusetts, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York City - ammo only to 01, 02, 07, or 08 FFLs.

MASSACHUSETTS CUSTOMERS: No sales of Ammunition and magazines. No High Capacity Magazine (10+ rounds) without a Hi-Cap Magazine Permit sales to anyone or dealer in MA. No sales of Rifles that accept High Capacity Magazines. Sales of firearms & Ammunition in State of MA to FFL holders only, 03 FFL not eligible.

Maybe I can call someone and just ask, State Police or AG...

That'd be great, I've been trying to find out everything I can because I'd love to help you guys out, but I don't want to get sued in the process.