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CDFingers wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 7:42 pm I'd rather scare them away than have to shoot them.

CDFingers
I think warning shots are illegal. If you can afford to not actually shoot at them, you’re not supposed to shoot at all. Firing a gun is considered a lethal use of force, regardless of aim. This is why modern cops always shoot to neutralize.

Indiana follows the castle doctrine with no duty to retreat. On top of it, forcible entry into your house is automatically considered as a threat to life, so you can immediately respond with deadly force. Ironically it makes warning shots legal, because you can use any and all means to defend yourself once they’re in the house.

Certain other states require you to retreat and to justify any force you use against intruders. If you live in these states, warning shots can put you in trouble.

I would never say that I fired a shot to scare someone, I fired a shot because they scared me. I fired a shot to the ceiling because I was spooked, I didn’t mean it. If my shots didn’t actually connect to anybody, that’s because I missed.
Glad that federal government is boring again.

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TxChinaman wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 12:01 pm
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I have a Stoeger Coach SxS in 12 ga. It's a fun toy to take to the range every once in a while, but any one of my pump shotguns is far superior for a home defense scenario.
I've seen the Stoeger Coach guns on sale in my area. Gentlemen who were invited to weekend shooting parties had attendants who reloaded their double barrel shotguns, a bygone era.

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highdesert wrote:
TxChinaman wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 12:01 pm
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I have a Stoeger Coach SxS in 12 ga. It's a fun toy to take to the range every once in a while, but any one of my pump shotguns is far superior for a home defense scenario.
I've seen the Stoeger Coach guns on sale in my area. Gentlemen who were invited to weekend shooting parties had attendants who reloaded their double barrel shotguns, a bygone era.

Image - Godfather Part II, Michael Corleone in Sicily - when Al Pacino was young.
Apparently there is a modern version of it though. I haven't met the guy yet, but other people at my range have told me about a member there that only shows up a couple times a year, rolls up in a limo with a trunk full of guns, and makes his chauffer set his targets and reload his magazines, in full chauffer's garb, in the South Florida heat. They say he's some big hip-hop artist/producer in Miami. I'm curious to run into him at the range, I probably know the guy or we at least have mutual friends and working acquaintances.

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kronkmusic wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 8:50 am
highdesert wrote:
TxChinaman wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 12:01 pm
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I have a Stoeger Coach SxS in 12 ga. It's a fun toy to take to the range every once in a while, but any one of my pump shotguns is far superior for a home defense scenario.
I've seen the Stoeger Coach guns on sale in my area. Gentlemen who were invited to weekend shooting parties had attendants who reloaded their double barrel shotguns, a bygone era.

Image - Godfather Part II, Michael Corleone in Sicily - when Al Pacino was young.
Apparently there is a modern version of it though. I haven't met the guy yet, but other people at my range have told me about a member there that only shows up a couple times a year, rolls up in a limo with a trunk full of guns, and makes his chauffer set his targets and reload his magazines, in full chauffer's garb, in the South Florida heat. They say he's some big hip-hop artist/producer in Miami. I'm curious to run into him at the range, I probably know the guy or we at least have mutual friends and working acquaintances.
And with that we step aside.

Long long ago in a land far far away, one of my high school buddies and I were approached by a bum (back then the bums were specialists and entertaining as well; I'll tell about Geech and some of the others one day) who had an old car for sale and needed $100.00 to go see his old mother...

He actually had the car and showed it to us and even had the valid registration that he endorsed over to us and so suddenly we were poorer than dirt but the co-owners of a 1920s Cadillac Touring Limousine. It even ran. Got almost three gallons to the mile, but ran. It took us several weeks to get it cleaned up and running without needing more oil than gas.

We'd save up until we had gas money then dress in black suits, white shirt, even a tie. Then it was off to pick up our dates and hope they would have enough money to get us back afterwards. At each house the guy who was dating that girl sat in the back, the other would put on his little cap and go to the door announcing "Mr. ... is here to pick up Miss ...!"

The girls loved it and the looks from the moms were priceless. You could almost hear the "Get Pregnant" whisper.

The car kept running almost the whole summer and when the costs really got out of hand we sold it for $200.00 and thought we were lucky.

It sure was purtty though and well worth every penny.
To be vintage it must be older than me!
The next gun I buy will be the next to last gun I ever buy. PROMISE!
jim

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Stiff wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 9:44 pm
TxChinaman wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 12:28 pm In the second video, the woman is Asian, and the home appears to be filled with restaurant supplies. I'm going to speculate that the 3 home invaders targeted her because she owns a restaurant. Unfortunately, owners of Asian food restaurants have been targets in the past because the robbers assume 1) Asians keep large amounts of cash and jewelry in the house, 2) Asians do not own guns, and 3) Asians will submit passively. A typical MO is to follow the owner home after they close up the restaurant.

I notice the 3 robbers in the video manage to maintain pretty good muzzle discipline while they scurry about the house. Guns pointed down, and they don't sweep each other. I've seen worse on the firing line at my local shooting range. Though I believe I see a few fingers on triggers.
That’s my impression as well. What’s interesting is that the bad guys couldn’t find / couldn’t get to the bedroom, which was very advantageous to the owners. They were rummaging around until the lady popped out blazing.

It’s scary because the robbers seemed halfway competent. Of course, they could simply be emulating movies.

The woman is from mainland China originally. She appears very matter of fact about the shoot out in the video interview with Chinese news.

https://youtu.be/RsreAFzubXM

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TxChinaman wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 9:23 am
Stiff wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 9:44 pm
TxChinaman wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 12:28 pm In the second video, the woman is Asian, and the home appears to be filled with restaurant supplies. I'm going to speculate that the 3 home invaders targeted her because she owns a restaurant. Unfortunately, owners of Asian food restaurants have been targets in the past because the robbers assume 1) Asians keep large amounts of cash and jewelry in the house, 2) Asians do not own guns, and 3) Asians will submit passively. A typical MO is to follow the owner home after they close up the restaurant.

I notice the 3 robbers in the video manage to maintain pretty good muzzle discipline while they scurry about the house. Guns pointed down, and they don't sweep each other. I've seen worse on the firing line at my local shooting range. Though I believe I see a few fingers on triggers.
That’s my impression as well. What’s interesting is that the bad guys couldn’t find / couldn’t get to the bedroom, which was very advantageous to the owners. They were rummaging around until the lady popped out blazing.

It’s scary because the robbers seemed halfway competent. Of course, they could simply be emulating movies.

The woman is from mainland China originally. She appears very matter of fact about the shoot out in the video interview with Chinese news.

https://youtu.be/RsreAFzubXM
They have cameras set up, complete with a surveillance warning sign. This lady was expecting trouble, good for her and bad for the robbers. I think they came at night after closing time to take the entire day’s cash sales, before it was deposited to the bank the next morning.

I speculate that her restaurant was in a rough part of town, where most people pay cash. She lived nearby, so she knew what she was dealing with.
Glad that federal government is boring again.

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As a side note...
Asian immigrants in Georgia (and the South) are survivors. They live with a bunker mentality even when they are working and making a living. They do not have any sense of belonging in the US and assume everyone is either out to take advantage of them or push them out. They will fight to keep what’s theirs because they feel they have to work twice as hard to earn it and that is simply life. They know hunger.

That woman is pretty stone cold about what happened. Hardcore mainland Chinese immigrant w no time for squishy feelings and stuff. Probably sends money home to support extended family and has zero desire to live in the United States other than to make money and survive to send money home. Americans are all barbarians so she lives in code Orange all the time I imagine.

Thanks for posting that interview video TX.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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I owned one of the original Remington’s w the Damascus-esque barrel that someone rather professionally cut down to a coach gun length and even replaced the bead. It was a fun gun to shoot. For about 2 months. I traded it for a 10/22 by the third...
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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