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lurker wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:30 pm was in the parking lot at lowes today when i noticed an old guy (well, older than me) roll up his cart with some bags of mulch. i went over and asked if he needed a hand loading it and he said no, thanks. then i noticed he had a 2nd infantry division cap on. just as i was about to get back in my car, another guy barges up, gives us both his sob story about how the VA can't operate on his tumor, shows it to us, says he's broke, and asks for money. maybe true, maybe not. as i'm reaching for my wallet, i hear the two of them say something about "when trump is reelected..." so i give him some cash and then handed them both LGC stickers. the 2nd ID guy asked if i was a vet too, and i said "no, my number never came up and i was glad of it". then i helped him load his mulch. despite the fact that he called them losers and suckers, they still believe donald's going to save them from socialism.
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K9s wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:26 pm When do we start the Trump in 2024 thread? Too early?
Between now and 2024, it's a toss up which party will break up first. I don't think the Republican Party will just roll over and obey the Trump commands and constantly cough up money like it's his personal ATM. And the Democratic Party's low key battle between moderates and conservatives vs the progressive left is becoming more and more open and that will affect 2022. AOC has already declared the truce over. So which one will openly split into two parties first?
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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highdesert wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:51 pm
K9s wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:26 pm When do we start the Trump in 2024 thread? Too early?
So which one will openly split into two parties first?
that would be the POD (party of dumbasses) who want to lose. i know, i know, didn't answer the question. personally, i'd say wait until we get donald out of the building, THEN have at each other. there are useful things the progressives bring to the table, and i want to see the gun control plank as currently envisioned, disappear.
i'm retired. what's your excuse?

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lurker wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:09 pm
highdesert wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:51 pm
K9s wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:26 pm When do we start the Trump in 2024 thread? Too early?
So which one will openly split into two parties first?
that would be the POD (party of dumbasses) who want to lose. i know, i know, didn't answer the question. personally, i'd say wait until we get donald out of the building, THEN have at each other. there are useful things the progressives bring to the table, and i want to see the gun control plank as currently envisioned, disappear.
We heard zero about anything but anti-racism and healthcare down here from Dems. I guess that worked for 2020. Reps are all about, anti-BLM, "auntie-sozhulizm", and have been spewing a lot more antisemitism than usual here. Not much about NRA or guns this year.
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lurker wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:09 pm
highdesert wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:51 pm
K9s wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:26 pm When do we start the Trump in 2024 thread? Too early?
So which one will openly split into two parties first?
that would be the POD (party of dumbasses) who want to lose. i know, i know, didn't answer the question. personally, i'd say wait until we get donald out of the building, THEN have at each other. there are useful things the progressives bring to the table, and i want to see the gun control plank as currently envisioned, disappear.
Normally in a midterm election like 2022, the president's party loses seats in both chambers like in 2018 when Democrats gained a majority in the House. The open battle between the wings of the Democratic Party are rural, suburban and urban voters and conflicting messages being sent out by Democratic wings. Some Democrats push messages that only appeal to urban and some suburban voters, those messages alienate other suburban and rural voters. If urban Democrats have plenty of blue districts to hold their majority then more power to them, but they don't. Purple districts gave Democrats their House majority in 2018. Defunding the police is one of those issues along with court packing that Republicans picked up on in this cycle and road to wins in the House, along with gun control an urban Democratic issue.

Trump was the great foil for Democrats in this election, but it showed that most people could reject Trump but not the Republican Party. Trump's toxicity didn't spill over to all Republicans so any damage they will likely suffer in 2022 will be internal divisions between conservatives and Trumpers. In Southern California, two female Korean-American Republicans won back seats this election that Democrats won in 2018. All minority votes are not automatically Democratic and their are groups within groups like the divisions among Hispanic voters in FL - some Republican, some Democratic and some never vote.

And Fox always stirs the pot.
Confronted with a shrunken majority, House leaders are discouraging fellow Democrats from taking jobs with the incoming Biden administration — out of concern that Republicans could nab any vacated seats, sources told The Post on Sunday. Insiders variously accused House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., of urging Dems to stay put to preserve their fragile majority. “Nancy is telling House members, ‘Now is not the time to leave,'” a Democratic Party official who’s been briefed by Democratic congressional reps said.

But another House insider said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., is urging Democratic congressional reps to stay put, and told the Biden transition team not to poach its members because of the party’s slim majority following the Nov. 3 elections.

The sensitive topics of jumping ship to work for Biden amid the loss of House seats came up at a House Democratic caucus meeting last week. “It’s not helpful to talk about that,” a member of Democratic leadership reportedly said on the call regarding House Dems wanting to relinquish their seats and work for Biden. “The feeling is: don’t make rash decisions about going to the administration without first considering consequences to the caucus,” a Democratic insider familiar with the call said.

The “zeitgeist” of the Democratic House leadership is that their majority is “razor thin,” the source said.
Last week, The Post revealed that Biden was eyeing a bipartisan list of 30 members of Congress known for working across the aisle for key administration posts.

The Biden transition team is looking at 20 lawmakers serving in the House of Representatives and 10 in the Senate who received the US Chamber of Commerce’s Jefferson-Hamilton 2020 award for bipartisanship.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house- ... n-majority
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Since my birth on Jan. 1, 1942, this nation has gone thru major turmoil - wars (needed and unneeded), assassination's, cold war, catastrophic natural disasters - all horrible, all over come, albeit leaving scars on the national psyche. Of all these, the worse thing this nation has done was electing Donald J. Trump - and we have and will pay dearly for this massive national fuck up. The following picture says it all:
Trump Looking His Normal Stupid.jpg
To my death bed, I'll never forgive those that allowed this to happen. I care not how educated, the number of degrees, well read, intelligent, well spoken - if you voted for this POS you are no better than he - scumbag life sucking assholes. And you all can kiss my saggy wrinkled ass.

Rant over.
"Being Republican is more than a difference of opinion - it's a character flaw." "COVID can fix STUPID!"
The greatest, most aggrieved mistake EVER made in USA was electing DJT as POTUS.

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Wino wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:13 am Since my birth on Jan. 1, 1942, this nation has gone thru major turmoil - wars (needed and unneeded), assassination's, cold war, catastrophic natural disasters - all horrible, all over come, albeit leaving scars on the national psyche. Of all these, the worse thing this nation has done was electing Donald J. Trump - and we have and will pay dearly for this massive national fuck up. The following picture says it all:

Trump Looking His Normal Stupid.jpg

To my death bed, I'll never forgive those that allowed this to happen. I care not how educated, the number of degrees, well read, intelligent, well spoken - if you voted for this POS you are no better than he - scumbag life sucking assholes. And you all can kiss my saggy wrinkled ass.

Rant over.
I agree. Trump voters are ignorant, willfully ignorant, racist/sexist/bigots, total fascists, or simply totally selfish assholes who want their tax cuts and don't give a flying fuck what happens to the rest of the world. Only the truly ignorant (but not the willfully ignorant), if they can be educated, may be rehabilitated.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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They could be kin, neighbors, friends, enemies, co-workers - they don't get a pass ............was it "saggy wrinkled ass" that did it???
"Being Republican is more than a difference of opinion - it's a character flaw." "COVID can fix STUPID!"
The greatest, most aggrieved mistake EVER made in USA was electing DJT as POTUS.

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Wino wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:13 am Since my birth on Jan. 1, 1942, this nation has gone thru major turmoil - wars (needed and unneeded), assassination's, cold war, catastrophic natural disasters - all horrible, all over come, albeit leaving scars on the national psyche. Of all these, the worse thing this nation has done was electing Donald J. Trump - and we have and will pay dearly for this massive national fuck up. The following picture says it all:

Trump Looking His Normal Stupid.jpg

To my death bed, I'll never forgive those that allowed this to happen. I care not how educated, the number of degrees, well read, intelligent, well spoken - if you voted for this POS you are no better than he - scumbag life sucking assholes. And you all can kiss my saggy wrinkled ass.

Rant over.
+1
Subliterate Buffooery of the right...
Literate Ignorance of the left...
We Are So Screwed

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lurker wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:45 pm a tiny bit strongly worded, but yes, many of these people are our neighbors. never forget. forgiveness is their jesus' job.
Forgiveness is only required when they 1) admit their error, 2) ask for forgiveness, and 3)complete an act of contrition. Haven't seen much of that yet. Just more covid bodies stacking up.

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This quote truly explains a lot to me about Trump’s mentality and “rich ‘n famous” attitudes in general.
...Ivanka became increasingly certain that she and the rest of the capitalist elite had better solutions to the plight of America’s struggling working class than elected officials and the creaky bureaucracies they presided over. But aligning herself with her dad’s banana republic-style administration made no sense to me, until my friend suggested that Ivanka took her kids to the rally to show them that they are American royalty. This explanation seemed most plausible. What is more royal than presiding over subjects that you disdain?
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/ ... =emaildkre

It’s very sad because they make themselves unbearably lonely people.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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Donald Trump Jr., President Donald Trump's eldest son, has tested positive for the coronavirus, a personal spokesman told CNN on Friday. "Don tested positive at the start of the week and has been quarantining out at his cabin since the result," the spokesman said. "He's been completely asymptomatic so far and is following all medically recommended COVID-19 guidelines." Bloomberg was first to report Trump Jr.'s positive result.

Trump Jr. becomes the latest figure close to the President to test positive for Covid-19. In addition to himself, first lady Melania Trump, his youngest son Barron, his chief of staff Mark Meadows and a number of other top aides both in his campaign and in the White House have tested positive in recent months. Trump Jr.'s girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle, also tested positive for the virus over the summer as the duo campaigned for Trump throughout the country.

Trump Jr. was among the roughly 250 guests who attended the White House's indoor election night party, where nearly every attendee was seen not wearing a mask. Other party attendees have since tested positive, including Meadows, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson and White House political affairs director Brian Jack. A source familiar with the matter had told CNN at the time that all guests were to receive a rapid test for Covid-19.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/politics ... index.html
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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As President Trump brazenly seeks to delay the certification of the election in hopes of overturning his defeat, he is also mounting a less high-profile but similarly audacious bid to keep control of the Republican National Committee even after he leaves office.

Ronna McDaniel, Mr. Trump’s handpicked chairwoman, has secured the president’s support for her re-election to another term in January, when the party is expected to gather for its winter meeting. But her intention to run with Mr. Trump’s blessing has incited a behind-the-scenes proxy battle, dividing Republicans between those who believe the national party should not be a political subsidiary of the outgoing president and others happy for Mr. Trump to remain in control of it.

While many Republicans are hesitant to openly criticize their president at a moment when he is refusing to admit he has lost, the debate crystallizes the larger question about the party’s identity and whether it will operate as a vessel for Mr. Trump’s ambitions to run again in four years. Mr. Trump will have no political infrastructure once he leaves office except for a political action committee he recently formed, and absent a formal campaign, he is hoping to lean on the R.N.C. to effectively give him one, people familiar with his thinking said.

The continuing influence of Mr. Trump could also have implications for some of the national committee’s most critical assets: Its voter data and donors lists contain thousands of names of contributors and detailed information about supporters. The voter data in particular is a focus of attention, after distrust arose between the committee and the Trump campaign over the data’s use in the final months of the campaign.

While the committee and the Trump campaign are in the process of untangling joint agreements over access to that information, Mr. Trump sees control of the lists that he helped build over the past four years as a way to keep a grip on power — and to neutralize potential challengers for supremacy over the party, according to Republicans close to the White House.
This power play is alarming a number of R.N.C. members, party strategists and former committee aides, who are highly uneasy about ceding control of the committee to a potential candidate in 2024, a step that they fear would shatter the party’s longstanding commitment to neutrality in nominating contests.

“Trump always wants to use other people’s money,” said former Representative Barbara Comstock, a Northern Virginia Republican who lost her re-election in 2018 thanks to the suburban anti-Trump wave that also felled the president this month. The R.N.C., the Trump campaign and related committees raised more than $1 billion this cycle. Ms. Comstock — while allowing that “nobody dislikes Ronna” — said the committee should not be a piggy bank for the president’s political endeavors.

Traditionally, the chairs of the national committees of both parties have relinquished control when the other party takes the White House. Yet as with so many other aspects of his presidency, Mr. Trump has little regard for precedent. And many of his lieutenants, particularly those eyeing their own political future, are happy to defend him.
One of the president’s most vocal allies, Representative Jim Jordan, is already musing about challenging Mr. DeWine in 2022, according to the Plain Dealer of Cleveland.

Eager to sidestep a spat with the outgoing president, Mr. DeWine said in a telephone interview on Saturday that he had enjoyed “a good relationship” with Mr. Trump. The governor betrayed no concern about his political future, and noted that the president had angrily tweeted at him to float the idea of a primary challenge, but had not directly contacted him to express concern. “Look, I’m running for re-election, and I’m confident I’ll be renominated,” Mr. DeWine said.
So far nobody has emerged to challenge Ms. McDaniel, but some influential Republicans are trying to stir support for Senator Cory Gardner of Colorado, who has just lost his re-election bid and is well-liked among pro-Trump and Trump-skeptical Republicans alike in Washington. Mr. Gardner did not respond to two emails inquiring whether he had any interest in the chairmanship.

The current and former committee members who may prove most formidable have told associates they will not run. That includes Mr. Barbour — whose uncle, former Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi, took over the party after Republicans lost the presidency in 1992 — and Reince Priebus, Mr. Trump’s first chief of staff and a former R.N.C. chairman. Some party operatives are working behind the scenes to nudge former committee members into the race, with the idea being that once an alternative, even a long shot, enters, it will be easier for others to join.
Most strikingly, she told one party leader that if the committee does not rally to her, she will be succeeded by somebody even closer to the president, such as Donald Trump Jr. or his girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle.

“If you have a suburban woman problem, Don is not your answer — nor is Kimberly,” said Ms. Comstock, the former Virginia congresswoman. Aides to the president’s son and Ms. Guilfoyle have said they are not interested in the job. Some senior Republicans said another Trump ally, David Bossie, is being mentioned as a co-chair. This “alternative-would-be-worse” theory, along with a deeper apathy about the national party, has prompted a number of Republican lawmakers and strategists to make peace with Ms. McDaniel’s serving another term. Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, and Representative Leader Kevin McCarthy, the minority leader, have both endorsed her re-election in recent days.

Mike DuHaime, an R.N.C. political director during George W. Bush’s presidency, said he understood why Mr. Trump would want to retain possession of the party apparatus. “It has the potential for great value in terms of a platform, fund-raising and relationship building,” Mr. DuHaime said. “However I’ve never seen a former president try to maintain that control, so I’ll have to research the post-presidency actions of Grover Cleveland to see how he did it.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/22/us/t ... ntrol.html
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To insure the destruction of the Republican Party let the Orange Ogre take control of the RNC. Look at his record in running his business ventures. The RNC will be totally bankrupt and destroyed in a matter of months while he spends them into the ground.
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TrueTexan wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:24 am To insure the destruction of the Republican Party let the Orange Ogre take control of the RNC. Look at his record in running his business ventures. The RNC will be totally bankrupt and destroyed in a matter of months while he spends them into the ground.
He's already done it to America.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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highdesert wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:40 am
One of the president’s most vocal allies, Representative Jim Jordan, is already musing about challenging Mr. DeWine in 2022, according to the Plain Dealer of Cleveland.

Eager to sidestep a spat with the outgoing president, Mr. DeWine said in a telephone interview on Saturday that he had enjoyed “a good relationship” with Mr. Trump. The governor betrayed no concern about his political future, and noted that the president had angrily tweeted at him to float the idea of a primary challenge, but had not directly contacted him to express concern. “Look, I’m running for re-election, and I’m confident I’ll be renominated,” Mr. DeWine said.
:coffee: :blink: :crazy:

I can't believe Jim Jordan got re-elected, much less that he isn't already serving time.

Since the GOP is more or less a lock on statewide office these days, the only way we're likely to block Jim is if a bunch of Dems cross over in the primary. Fortunately, we don't really have party affiliation in Ohio. They ask which party ballot you want to vote at the primary, and we're listed as that party until the next time. I'm pretty sure that's how Kasich beat Trump in '16, not that it mattered.

DeWine is still a conservative bastard, but he's shown leadership on the pandemic occasionally. Can't imagine the Democratic primaries will be all that competitive in '22.

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wings wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:19 pm
highdesert wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:40 am
One of the president’s most vocal allies, Representative Jim Jordan, is already musing about challenging Mr. DeWine in 2022, according to the Plain Dealer of Cleveland.

Eager to sidestep a spat with the outgoing president, Mr. DeWine said in a telephone interview on Saturday that he had enjoyed “a good relationship” with Mr. Trump. The governor betrayed no concern about his political future, and noted that the president had angrily tweeted at him to float the idea of a primary challenge, but had not directly contacted him to express concern. “Look, I’m running for re-election, and I’m confident I’ll be renominated,” Mr. DeWine said.
:coffee: :blink: :crazy:

I can't believe Jim Jordan got re-elected, much less that he isn't already serving time.

Since the GOP is more or less a lock on statewide office these days, the only way we're likely to block Jim is if a bunch of Dems cross over in the primary. Fortunately, we don't really have party affiliation in Ohio. They ask which party ballot you want to vote at the primary, and we're listed as that party until the next time. I'm pretty sure that's how Kasich beat Trump in '16, not that it mattered.

DeWine is still a conservative bastard, but he's shown leadership on the pandemic occasionally. Can't imagine the Democratic primaries will be all that competitive in '22.
Trump is lashing out at DeWine and Kemp and suggested other Republicans challenge them. Trump won OH but apparently DeWine referred to Biden as the President Elect which pissed Trump off. And Kemp didn't manipulate the GA election system to ensure Trump won and instead certified Biden's win. Trump knows he lost and that he's a lame duck president, very lame. But Trump is trying to run the party and give his blessing or curse on any Republican candidate for years to come. DeWine did far better than Abbott or DeSantis in managing the pandemic in OH, you'd know better. Chris Christie is out today saying Trump's legal team is "a national embarrassment".

I think his influence will eventually wane but we don't know when, the RNC might actually get some cojones and challenge Trump. I know Trumpism isn't going away but I am hoping that his follower just get on with their life and slowly forget about him. Old Trump should move back into his 5th Ave cave or his Florida one.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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highdesert wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:43 pm I think his influence will eventually wane but we don't know when, the RNC might actually get some cojones and challenge Trump. I know Trumpism isn't going away but I am hoping that his follower just get on with their life and slowly forget about him. Old Trump should move back into his 5th Ave cave or his Florida one.
My fervent hope is that he does not go away but rather creates an National Evangelical Christian Party (NECP).
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