Trump in 2020

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It is looking increasing likely that il Donaldo will get reelected in 2020 and so serious consideration needs to be given to living with that reality.

That makes control of the Senate mandatory if any hope of a progressive US is to be maintained.
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CDFingers wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:37 am Wash your mouth out with soap.

CDFingers
what he said.

i don't see anyone moving on this, i certainly haven't since nov 20126. i don't have a firm grasp of what motivates tramp (sorry, the word just sticks in my metaphorical throat) voters, except that it seems to be a vague steaming brew of objecting to gun control, assertive females, black men and... and... that seems to be about it. their grasp of demographics and economics is tenuous at best. but that's neither here nor there.

the issue here is to get enough dems and independents to get off their fat lazy asses and vote, unmotivated as they are by the lackluster offerings from the dem side. because a non-vote or a vote for a 3rd party candidate might as well be a 1/2 vote for donald, and they add up.
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Trumps disapproval ratings are going down while his approval rating have held steady. There has been little indication that he will get fewer votes this time and he is in a better position to manipulate public opinion and has a daily podium to pontificate at zero cost to his campaign coffers.

There really are True Believers.
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sig230 wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:18 am Trumps disapproval ratings are going down while his approval rating have held steady. There has been little indication that he will get fewer votes this time and he is in a better position to manipulate public opinion and has a daily podium to pontificate at zero cost to his campaign coffers.

There really are True Believers.
i'm having a hard time fully appreciating your optimism.
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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... l-ratings/

His disapproval rating has just dipped below 50% for the first time since March of 2017, three months after inauguration. You heard that right, he's getting more, not less popular through this. Despite his myriad failings, he's still controlling the narrative, and he has much more money to campaign with this time. Though a lot can happen between now and November, if a down economy and a botched public health crisis which is getting thousands of people killed doesn't turn this, I'm not sure what will. On top of that, the only person standing between Trump and reelection is Joe Biden, who excites noone, kinda creeps out everyone, and is quite obviously reaching his twilight years. If Joe Biden was your grandpa you wouldn't trust him with the damn TV remote. If I were the DNC, I'd be knocking on Michelle Obama's door with a big plate of cookies right about now, but that's just me.

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kronkmusic wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:34 am https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... l-ratings/

His disapproval rating has just dipped below 50% for the first time since March of 2017, three months after inauguration. You heard that right, he's getting more, not less popular through this. Despite his myriad failings, he's still controlling the narrative, and he has much more money to campaign with this time. Though a lot can happen between now and November, if a down economy and a botched public health crisis which is getting thousands of people killed doesn't turn this, I'm not sure what will. On top of that, the only person standing between Trump and reelection is Joe Biden, who excites noone, kinda creeps out everyone, and is quite obviously reaching his twilight years. If Joe Biden was your grandpa you wouldn't trust him with the damn TV remote. If I were the DNC, I'd be knocking on Michelle Obama's door with a big plate of cookies right about now, but that's just me.
More and more people are talking about drafting Andrew Cuomo over Biden, because he's PROVING he knows how to work in a crisis. And he's loud and obnoxious enough to stand up to Trump.

But this is not a good time to put much stock in the polls. As people in the Red states start seeing Grandma & Grandpa dying, Mama and Daddy sick, and no ventilators or tests for them, many WILL blame the people in charge, including their orange false messiah. When, by the end of April, when 33 million are infected, and between 335,000 and 671,000 have died, they'll be screaming for Trump to be gone.

Or not.

Never underestimate the idiocy of the American voter, especially right-wingers.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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YankeeTarheel wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:03 am
kronkmusic wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:34 am https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... l-ratings/

His disapproval rating has just dipped below 50% for the first time since March of 2017, three months after inauguration. You heard that right, he's getting more, not less popular through this. Despite his myriad failings, he's still controlling the narrative, and he has much more money to campaign with this time. Though a lot can happen between now and November, if a down economy and a botched public health crisis which is getting thousands of people killed doesn't turn this, I'm not sure what will. On top of that, the only person standing between Trump and reelection is Joe Biden, who excites noone, kinda creeps out everyone, and is quite obviously reaching his twilight years. If Joe Biden was your grandpa you wouldn't trust him with the damn TV remote. If I were the DNC, I'd be knocking on Michelle Obama's door with a big plate of cookies right about now, but that's just me.
More and more people are talking about drafting Andrew Cuomo over Biden, because he's PROVING he knows how to work in a crisis. And he's loud and obnoxious enough to stand up to Trump.

But this is not a good time to put much stock in the polls. As people in the Red states start seeing Grandma & Grandpa dying, Mama and Daddy sick, and no ventilators or tests for them, many WILL blame the people in charge, including their orange false messiah. When, by the end of April, when 33 million are infected, and between 335,000 and 671,000 have died, they'll be screaming for Trump to be gone.

Or not.

Never underestimate the idiocy of the American voter, especially right-wingers.
Do you have any evidence to suggest they will blame Trump since all the problems were caused by previous administrations.
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I’m cautiously optimistic that a Dem candidate will win. My unscientific analysis on Facebook comments shows that the sane people outnumber trumpers, which is remarkable in a red state like Indiana. Yes, there are still plenty of certifiable idiots who think the virus is just a Dem hoax to make Trump look bad, but today they are constantly being challenged.
Glad that federal government is boring again.

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sig230 wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:13 am since all the problems were caused by previous administrations.
smile when you say that, pardner.
i was looking at a video on ww2 tanks and an ad popped up, a "poll" for trump, which i took. when it asked me for my name and address i said my name was donald trump and i lived at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, dc. when it asked for a donation i bailed but before that it said that 93% of respondents thought the dunderhead was doing a good job. he has a very slick propaganda machine, but pay no mind. the only poll that matters happens in november.
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Trump's disapproval rating is dropping because all his screwups that effect the people can now be blamed on the Coronavirus and his campaign and supporters are doing just that. If anybody disagrees with him or the actions taken the supports scream that is not helping him with combating the virus pandemic. His supporters/campaign are pushing that he is the only hope we have and attacking any one that disagrees with being un-American.

What scares me about all this is what will the US be like after the virus passes. If we have Trump and his supporters dreams we will be in a dictatorship of Trumpism. He has no concern for anybody but himself and he aspires to be another Dictator like Kim Jung Un in North Korea.

Just look at his action such as the signing statement when he signed the Coronavirus relief act. That he would ignore any oversight or control of the money to be give to the corporations. That he alone would decide who would get the corporate bailout money.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/ ... -oversight

This is just some of the many actions by his administration since the Pandemic.

The head of the EPA has ordered that all environmental rules and regulations suspended indefinitely due to the pandemic.Just making the rightwing's wet dream come true.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/ ... ironmental

Trump again demands governors 'be appreciative' of his coronavirus response and says Pence shouldn't call 'the woman from Michigan,' Gov. Gretchen Whitmer

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-d ... nse-2020-3

His actions won't get any better. If he is reelected the American people might as well bend over because here it comes.
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Trump's the incumbent which is powerful even with a jackass in office. His approval ratings have gone up, a new ABC-WP poll has him in positive territory with 49% approve and 47% disapprove. However W's approval rating went up to 86% after 911, but later dropped and that wasn't an election year. Heard Biden on Meet the Press this morning and he stayed on point and didn't ramble as he's known to do, but Trump also rambles. I still see it as a toss up at this early stage.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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danhue wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:22 pm Assuming Joe Biden can hold it together (which sad to say is not a given), I doubt Trump will win. Stoking anger and division is all Trump knows how to do, and people are going to want a constructive message in the face of devastation.
I sincerely hope you're right.

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There once was an orange clown named Donald
Who was frequently mistaken for Ronald.
He mainlined Big Macs
like junkies do smack
While jiggling like putrescent slime mold.

CDFingers
Crazy cat peekin' through a lace bandana
like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eye Jack

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sig230 wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:06 pm There was almost no chance that Trump could be elected in 2016.
You have a jar with 1000 jelly beans. 999 are jelly beans, one has a cyanide center--can't contaminate the others. It's placed randomly--could be anywhere. You have a 99.9% chance of just having a delicious jelly bean. Do you take a chance? He said "What have you got to lose?"

236,000 people have been infected with the Corona virus, more than the next two most infected nations together.
5,600 have died from it.
Over 10,000,000 have filed for unemployment in just 2 weeks.
Cities and states that desperately need medical equipment to keep health care workers safe and patients alive are having it snatched away by the Trump regime.
The economy is grinding to a halt. 401ks are turning into "201ks"
$2 trillion has been allocated to help--and Trump and the Rethugs are trying to get as much as they of it to go to businesses and as little as possible to their employees.

"What have you got to lose?"
Your job.
Your home.
Your savings.
Your health.
Your life.
Your loved-ones' lives.
Everything.

Everything.
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On Friday, President Trump’s approval rating hit 45.8 percent — the highest since January 25, 2017, according to FiveThirtyEight’s presidential approval tracker. The timing suggests that the increase in his popularity is related to his handling of the coronavirus pandemic, which most Americans think he is managing well.

Trump may be experiencing what political scientists call the “rally-around-the-flag” effect, when national leaders temporarily get more popular amid international crises. Usually, you hear about people rallying around the flag after terrorist attacks or outbreaks of war, but the coronavirus pandemic could qualify in that it too poses an imminent threat to American safety. “When a country is faced with a common threat that touches everybody, there is a tendency to unify and to look toward the leader,” Shoon Murray, a political scientist who has studied the rally-around-the-flag effect, told FiveThirtyEight. “The sense of emergency is now so high and widespread that it’s possible people could rally around the president if he was perceived as taking steps in a nonpartisan way to mitigate the crisis.”
ut natural disasters don’t always produce rally-around-the-flag effects. In the context of hurricanes in the U.S., we’ve seen that the government’s response to disasters can drive public opinion either up or down. For instance, governors who were perceived as handling relief efforts in their states well, like then-Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in 2004, saw their approval ratings skyrocket. But others, like then-Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco, who was criticized for her slow response to Hurricane Katrina, emerged from the disasters with their reputations in tatters. Essentially, a national emergency gives people a new, extremely important issue on which to grade their leaders’ performance.
Despite Trump’s solid approval numbers on his handling of the coronavirus pandemic, Americans aren’t as enthusiastic about it as residents of some other countries are about their leaders’ responses. That could explain why Trump’s overall approval rating hasn’t risen nearly as much as some other world leaders’. According to Morning Consult, Trump’s net approval rating rose 5 percentage points from March 11 (the day the World Health Organization officially declared the coronavirus crisis a pandemic) to March 24,1 ranking sixth among the nine major world leaders Morning Consult polled. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau all experienced increases of more than 20 points in their net approval ratings.
Maybe a bigger question is whether Trump can sustain this higher approval rating, especially as critiques of how he’s handling the crisis are likely to intensify as the general election heats up. Political science research gives us some clues to predicting how long such a bump might last. One study found that heightened national unity triggers the rally-around-the-flag effect, but how long the president’s dissenters stay quiet dictates its duration. Assuming that Democrats continue to criticize Trump’s coronavirus response, this suggests Trump will fall back to earth relatively soon.

If the metaphor of the U.S. being at war with the coronavirus is an apt one, a higher number of deaths from COVID-19 may bring Trump’s approval rating down as well. A long line of political science research shows that high numbers of American casualties make a war, and the president waging it, less popular. On the flip side, other studies argue that a wartime president’s approval rating will remain high as long as the war is seen as successful.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... l-ratings/

As this continues to drag out and the death rate goes up and the country is reminded of all of his missteps and misinformation, it could do Trump in. Or it could work the opposite direction. Much too early to tell.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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As the death toll rises, more people I know are telling me about people they know who have it or died from it or recovered.

Right now, many people in the US don't have this experience. Not yet.

As the death toll rises, more people will know more people who die. It won't be a city problem or a New York problem. The people will then want answers.

Trump is giving red states everything they ask for and more while treating blue states like Puerto Rico. The red states are gambling that they can somehow handle this better when it hits them. They will blame everything that goes wrong on Democrats, China, New Yorkers, bad luck, etc.

We'll know how this gamble turns out in November.
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